Rikudou Naruto VS Rinnegan Sasuke

[KidGamer65]

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He didn't have access to their abilities at all since they were in a Genjutsu courtesy of Sasuke.

but he still had access to their chakara and even then he had kurama gather shit load of natural energy as a replacement so i dont see the difference.

Calling other clown doesnt make you less clown.... i just say the truth
Maybe he mean a small fragment chakra compared to almost full of living chakra. You can say naruto has 8 drop of water and half bottle of wine vs 8,5 almost full bottle of wine and see who get more drunk

i called him a clown because he is one.
that full entity gathered natural energy for him alongside its chakra, dont act like its nothing.

He meant Naruto doesn't need extra powerup to beat Sasuke.

now? or before?

OT. cant see sasuke winning tbh, he lost some major firepower without the bijjus, and that bijju ps should top his own here. he can make up for it with preta by abnsorbing narutos attacks but that can only go so far i think.

 

[Aznkidd]

I know already.Sasuke specifically made 3 arrows,i wonder why? Maybe to lure Naruto to blocking with them so he couldn't use them for alittle while,which worked.




Sasuke has plenty of longe range attacks to launch at Naruto.While he's distracted he could teleport blitz him.

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Clones split up the users power.The more clones the more the power splits up.Yes,Sasuke wins.

U have to say chakra instead of power, since power is not only chakra. Next time stop trying to mislead.
Chakra is no longer revelant to naruto since he only need 1 clone to absorb for the rest.

 

[Aznkidd]

but he still had access to their chakara and even then he had kurama gather shit load of natural energy as a replacement so i dont see the difference.


i called him a clown because he is one.
that full entity gathered natural energy for him alongside its chakra, dont act like its nothing.


now? or before?

OT. cant see sasuke winning tbh, he lost some major firepower without the bijjus, and that bijju ps should top his own here. he can make up for it with preta by abnsorbing narutos attacks but that can only go so far i think.

You just stated it over there that naruto started with less and he used his skill to pump up for more.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

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Why do people say sasuke cant defeat naruto w/o the bijuus because he neess them.
Naruto needs kurama otherwise he will fukin colaps, he xan't even stand up w/o a bijuu

They over hype Sasuke's few pages of using their chakra

U have to say chakra instead of power, since power is not only chakra. Next time stop trying to mislead.
Chakra is no longer revelant to naruto since he only need 1 clone to absorb for the rest.

Is Sasuke going to stand there and watch that clone gather chakra? Naruto had to distract Sasuke with 3 Avatars which Sasuke easily handled while the Kyuubi was gathering NE. Naruto would need more than a single clone.

Calling other clown doesnt make you less clown.... i just say the truth
Maybe he mean a small fragment chakra compared to almost full of living chakra. You can say naruto has 8 drop of water and half bottle of wine vs 8,5 almost full bottle of wine and see who get more drunk

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[Sennin of Logic]

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This is what Sasuke+Naruto did when Sasuke used Chidori on PS, yet what he did in the movie is comparable to this.

No, not even close. Rewatch the Sasuke clip. It's only about as big as hokage mountain, which is arguably the smallest mountain of the series. That attack spans multiple mountain ranges.

 

[TrollKing]

Full Kurama BSM Naruto=Half Kurama BSM Naruto x2. Minato has separate techs that Naruto doesn't have.

Full Kurama RSM Naruto=/=Full Kurama BSM Naruto. BSM Naruto only has Sage Mode and Kurama's power boosting him. RSM Naruto has Rikudo's Sage Mode boosting him, thus his Avatar is stronger. Much stronger than before.

Full Kurama RSM Naruto>>>>>>>>>>>Full Kurama BSM Naruto>>Half Kurama BSM Naruto.

Current Naruto has Rikudo's Sage Mode buffing him, so he isn't "VoTE 2 Naruto+BM Minato". Once he gets the other half of Kurama, instead of fighting with a 50% Kurama on steroids, he is fighting with a 100% Kurama on those same steroids. Thus a 2x boost in power.

Naruto stomps.

50% nine tails = 100% in power

50% nine tails has 1/2 chakra of 100%

Heck your calculation actually pointing 100% nine tails is on so6p level. XD

 

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How is it possible for Naruto to have run out of chakra if he didn't use their chakra?

If you're implying that he used them for reserves, yes he did. But recall he used that chakra numerous times prior to the fight. He split his chakra multiple times to use the 9 Bijuu Rasenshuriken, used Shukaku's and Son Goku's abilities. So they weren't at full reserves to begin with. And he didn't have access to their KKG at all because Sasuke restricted them with Genjutsu, since we've seen Naruto use them in collaboration with the Bijuu's at that point (it remains to be seen if with enough mastery he could use them on a whim). Boil Release would have come very in handy in the beginning to take even less damage against the initial Chidori.

Ysah i know but people keep bringing up bijuus

Because they matter in a fight like this...? We're using comparisons. If Sasuke at best, with the power of the Bijuu and an unmastered Rin'negan can only stalemate a Half Kurama Rikudou Naruto, taking away the Bijuu and adding the Rin'negan mastery won't bridge the gap and make them equal at all, since Naruto lost nothing and doubled in power because of having both halves of Kurama.

 

[ANiMUS]

Proof that it'd bridge the gap of power that he needed 9 Bijuu to gap? Proof it'd double his strength? He was already capable of using the Six Path's Jutsu, and the strongest one of them all, Chibaku Tensei, yet at the end of the day, instead of using the strongest of the Six Path's Jutsu....he used Susanoo. I wonder why?


Yeah, and one of them was the strongest Rinnegan Technique. Your point? Getting weaker techs isn't going to solve anything.



My analysis is based on feats. Your analysis is based on the assumption that Sasuke mastering Rinnegan will grant him some whole new level of strength.



The only reason people think Sasuke stands a chance is become of some useless hype about the Rinnegan, but when it came time for the Rinnegan to show us something nice, it always failed to deliver. Not sure why people put so much faith in it.

1st Rinnegan>PS
Sasuke used PS because it provided him the best offense and defensive ability with what he had.
CT is a jutsu that in order to use in its full ability needs a core. Naruto could stop it with tbb alone. What is the point of using a stronger jutsu if it isn't practical?
Sasuke's susano'o even became as powerful as it did thanks to the power of his rinnegan.

An example of Sasuke's potential is heaven's concealment done by madara. Using deva to bring down meteors, that far surpasses the power of the Nagato with rinnegan.

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[TrollKing]

No, not even close. Rewatch the Sasuke clip. It's only about as big as hokage mountain, which is arguably the smallest mountain of the series. That attack spans multiple mountain ranges.

If the size analogy is correct, then alliance would have neg that. But in actuality its very opposite Lol

 

[KidGamer65]

50% nine tails = 100% in power

Obviously not. If Kurama is split in half, it gets weaker, it doesn't remain the same.

50% nine tails has 1/2 chakra of 100%

And one half the power.

Heck your calculation actually pointing 100% nine tails is on so6p level. XD

Full Kurama's Jinchuuriki channeling and focusing Kurama's full power, and then amplifying that power with Rikudo Sage Mode? Not on Rikudo Sennin's level, but still 2x stronger than Rinnegan Sasuke.

 

[Aznkidd]

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They over hype Sasuke's few pages of using their chakra

So people need to see naruto enslave kurama so they can be quite ?
Turtle arc stated that naruto almost fully control kurama, but later he choose to see him as comrade. So do not try to hide this fact. According to the fact that naruto can control kurama, but if he treated him like a tool then this manga will absolutely destroyed...

 

[-immortal-]

If you're implying that he used them for reserves, yes he did. But recall he used that chakra numerous times prior to the fight. He split his chakra multiple times to use the 9 Bijuu Rasenshuriken, used Shukaku's and Son Goku's abilities. So they weren't at full reserves to begin with. And he didn't have access to their KKG at all because Sasuke restricted them with Genjutsu, since we've seen Naruto use them in collaboration with the Bijuu's at that point (it remains to be seen if with enough mastery he could use them on a whim). Boil Release would have come very in handy in the beginning to take even less damage against the initial Chidori.


Because they matter in a fight like this...? We're using comparisons. If Sasuke at best, with the power of the Bijuu and an unmastered Rin'negan can only stalemate a Half Kurama Rikudou Naruto, taking away the Bijuu and adding the Rin'negan mastery won't bridge the gap and make them equal at all, since Naruto lost nothing and doubled in power because of having both halves of Kurama.

Good point.


Naruto is above sasuke

 

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Naruto wins.

 

[KidGamer65]

1st Rinnegan>PS

Every user of the Rinnegan who had access to Susanoo (Which would be 2) disagrees with you here. PS has always been the trump. Always.

Sasuke used PS because it provided him the best offense and defensive ability with what he had.

And he had the strongest Rinnegan technique there as well, yet PS offered a better offense and a better defense.

CT is a jutsu that in order to use in its full ability needs a core

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Sasuke made ones without cores, more advanced than making one with a core, something even Nagato could do. The strength of CT doesn't change based on the presence of a core, that is literally something you pulled out of your arse. The more you put into it, the bigger it becomes. A core is needed if you don't have a target (like Sasuke did with the Bijuu) to use as a core.

Naruto could stop it with tbb alone. What is the point of using a stronger jutsu if it isn't practical?

If one Bijuu Dama is all that is needed to stop the strongest Rinnegan technique, then there is no discussing things. Sasuke's PS>Sasuke's Rinnegan.

Sasuke's susano'o even became as powerful as it did thanks to the power of his rinnegan.

Rinnegan doesn't make jutsu more powerful. Hell, eye balls don't make jutsu more powerful. Rikudo's Power is what made his Susanoo that strong, not the Rinnegan.

An example of Sasuke's potential is heaven's concealment done by madara. Using deva to bring down meteors, that far surpasses the power of the Nagato with rinnegan.

Not really. A Meteor? That Meteor was raped by PS, Nagato's Chibaku Tensei completely dwarfs that meteor. Besides...Tengai Shinsei? The same Meteor that was fodderized by PS? Are we really mentioning it here when Sasuke uses an amplified PS? And Naruto has something 2x stronger? Not including the Nature Energy boost?

Face it buddy. PS>Rinnegan (For Sasuke)

 

[TrollKing]

Obviously not. If Kurama is split in half, it gets weaker, it doesn't remain the same.



And one half the power.



Full Kurama's Jinchuuriki channeling and focusing Kurama's full power, and then amplifying that power with Rikudo Sage Mode? Not on Rikudo Sennin's level, but still 2x stronger than Rinnegan Sasuke.

So 50% nine tails rikuto + 100% sasky = jj madara

JJ madara around kaguya level

So 100% nine tails rikuto around kaguya level as well >>>> so6p Lol

 

[Sennin of Logic]

50% nine tails = 100% in power

50% nine tails has 1/2 chakra of 100%

Heck your calculation actually pointing 100% nine tails is on so6p level. XD

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What this means.

A. There's a certain limit to how much natural energy can be merged with certain amounts of chakra.

B. Kurama was overloaded with it.

C. Naruto has half of Kurama's charka


Logical conclusion, having both halves effectively doubles the natural energy collected, making full-Kurama Naruto far, far above VOTE 2 Naruto. I can't make a simpler explanation than this.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

If you're implying that he used them for reserves, yes he did. But recall he used that chakra numerous times prior to the fight. He split his chakra multiple times to use the 9 Bijuu Rasenshuriken, used Shukaku's and Son Goku's abilities. So they weren't at full reserves to begin with. And he didn't have access to their KKG at all because Sasuke restricted them with Genjutsu, since we've seen Naruto use them in collaboration with the Bijuu's at that point (it remains to be seen if with enough mastery he could use them on a whim). Boil Release would have come very in handy in the beginning to take even less damage against the initial Chidori.


Because they matter in a fight like this...? We're using comparisons. If Sasuke at best, with the power of the Bijuu and an unmastered Rin'negan can only stalemate a Half Kurama Rikudou Naruto, taking away the Bijuu and adding the Rin'negan mastery won't bridge the gap and make them equal at all, since Naruto lost nothing and doubled in power because of having both halves of Kurama.

You finally admit that Naruto used their chakra.This is what i've been saying to you for weeks.

When the Kyuubi asked the Sage if they needed the Bijuus help to end the Infiniye Tsukuyomi,the Sage said no,with the chakra from all the Bijuu in Naruto,Sasuke's Rinnegan,etc it can be undone.Naruto had enough of their chakra to connect through space to the moon.Surely that shows he had a good amount of their chakra.


Also,Sasuke doesn't need the Bijuus to match Naruto,infact he used them in their prevoius battle in order to overpower him,which he did,until the Kyuubi gathered all the NE above ground.

 

[KidGamer65]

So 50% nine tails rikuto + 100% sasky = jj madara

Uh, no. Both Naruto and Sasuke are above JJ Madara.

JJ madara around kaguya level

Haha, no. Kaguya was stated to be above Madara. Kaguya was shown to be above Madara. Kaguya shits on Madara.

So 100% nine tails rikuto around kaguya level as well >>>> so6p Lol

Uh...no. Not taking Bijuu (For Sasuke) or extra Nature Energy (For Naruto) into account.

Kaguya>Hagoromo>Full Kurama RSM Naruto>JJ Madara>>Half Kurama RSM Naruto>Rinnegan Sasuke

 

[TrollKing]

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What this means.

A. There's a certain limit to how much natural energy can be merged with certain amounts of chakra.

B. Kurama was overloaded with it.

C. Naruto has half of Kurama's charka


Logical conclusion, having both halves effectively doubles the natural energy collected, making full-Kurama Naruto far, far above VOTE 2 Naruto. I can't make a simpler explanation than this.

Kidgamer himself said naruto still far below so6p which doesnt add up to what he said nor what you post Lol