Rikudou Hashirama vs Bijuu PS Sasuke
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Unorthodox
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Hashirama whoops his ass if he can replicate Naruto's feat of absorbing the planet's NE, otherwise Sasuke wins this.
- Any lower variant of Mokuton gets wiped out by standard PS, let alone BPS Chidori or BPS Chidori Senbon
- BPS is atleast 3 times stronger (extreme lowballing) and more durable than Sasuke's PS considering he tanked the equivalent of PS Chidori+BD three times, while PS was damaged midly. We later see Sasuke survived an explosion that dwarfed the previous one, looking like another fuc-king planet from the perspective
- Mokuryu+Mokujin combo lacks the firepower to compete with it
- Shinsuusenju may be a problem considering how ridicolously strong it is, but i still see BPS edging it. Doubt the gap between it and Sasuke's PS is the same between a PS fueled with 8 Bijuus plus Kurama and the former.
- Any lower variant of Mokuton gets wiped out by standard PS, let alone BPS Chidori or BPS Chidori Senbon
- BPS is atleast 3 times stronger (extreme lowballing) and more durable than Sasuke's PS considering he tanked the equivalent of PS Chidori+BD three times, while PS was damaged midly. We later see Sasuke survived an explosion that dwarfed the previous one, looking like another fuc-king planet from the perspective
- Mokuryu+Mokujin combo lacks the firepower to compete with it
- Shinsuusenju may be a problem considering how ridicolously strong it is, but i still see BPS edging it. Doubt the gap between it and Sasuke's PS is the same between a PS fueled with 8 Bijuus plus Kurama and the former.
Hashirama cannot achieve the same amount of Natural Energy as Naruto because he does not possess a mode where he can use as much chakra as BM avatar, which was the sole reason Naruto could attain that much NE chakra.
KingHashirama
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His base reserves are big enough to rival kuramas as a whole. He doesnt need an avatar... as the avatar isn't used to store nature chakra. His base chakrapool will be enhanced to pretty much the same level of narutos if not bigger...
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Brother Numpsay
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If Hashiram becomes Rikudou, doesnt that make all his Mokuton "
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KeyofDestiny
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Sasuke would still beat him.
-Ameno w/ Bijuu PS blitzes and one shots him. Hashirama can react to Sasuke using Ameno, but he won't react to Bijuu PS using Ameno when Naruto himself got blitzed by this, and since Shinsuusenju doesn't protect him all around like Naruto's Avatar does, he dies.
-Indra's Arrow still one shots him. There's no concrete proof that even w/ the Nature Energy, Hashirama would be able to reproduce an attack that is strong enough to match Indra's Arrow. What's worse is that Naruto's attack had the elemental advantage, so generic downscaling isn't even going to help here, because Hashirama lacks Fuuton, thus lacks the elemental advantage. Another thing is, he has no energy based attacks, only physical attacks via Shinsuusenju, so he'd have to try and match Indra's Arrow by punching at it, and since he has no attack that matches it in raw power, it'd pierce right through and wipe him from the face of the planet.
Hashirama gets spanked by Madara too if he can't really take in all that Nature Energy, even if he can he still might lose.
-Anything bar Shinsuusenju is useless against Perfect Susanoo.
-Even if he used Shinsuusenju, Chibaku Tensei downpour would obliterate it since Hashirama can't even attack the rocks without waiting for them to get close, and if he did that, then he'd only be able to attack one rock and not the other dozen coming at him. He won't tank it, nor will he survive it. So that's the end of it. Not to mention Hashirama can't handle the downpour and handle Madara's Susanoo at the same time.
Not to mention Dual Rinnegan Madara>>SM Hashirama. Give Madara Juubi and give Hashirama half of Hagoromo's chakra and that gap remains the same.
-Ameno w/ Bijuu PS blitzes and one shots him. Hashirama can react to Sasuke using Ameno, but he won't react to Bijuu PS using Ameno when Naruto himself got blitzed by this, and since Shinsuusenju doesn't protect him all around like Naruto's Avatar does, he dies.
-Indra's Arrow still one shots him. There's no concrete proof that even w/ the Nature Energy, Hashirama would be able to reproduce an attack that is strong enough to match Indra's Arrow. What's worse is that Naruto's attack had the elemental advantage, so generic downscaling isn't even going to help here, because Hashirama lacks Fuuton, thus lacks the elemental advantage. Another thing is, he has no energy based attacks, only physical attacks via Shinsuusenju, so he'd have to try and match Indra's Arrow by punching at it, and since he has no attack that matches it in raw power, it'd pierce right through and wipe him from the face of the planet.
Hashirama gets spanked by Madara too if he can't really take in all that Nature Energy, even if he can he still might lose.
-Anything bar Shinsuusenju is useless against Perfect Susanoo.
-Even if he used Shinsuusenju, Chibaku Tensei downpour would obliterate it since Hashirama can't even attack the rocks without waiting for them to get close, and if he did that, then he'd only be able to attack one rock and not the other dozen coming at him. He won't tank it, nor will he survive it. So that's the end of it. Not to mention Hashirama can't handle the downpour and handle Madara's Susanoo at the same time.
Not to mention Dual Rinnegan Madara>>SM Hashirama. Give Madara Juubi and give Hashirama half of Hagoromo's chakra and that gap remains the same.
Nope. Madara can use Shin Mokuton because Shin Mokuton is just him manipulating the roots of the Shinju, which is extremely large. Doubt a Rikudo boost will put his Mokuton on a worldwide scale.
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The mode comes with Senjutsu, but Naruto gathered his own NE to rival Sasuke's Indra Arrow.
He said his chakra was comparable to the amount Naruto handed out. He did not compare it to his entire chakra, as Naruto only handed out a fraction of it. And no, the more chakra you have the faster you gather, and the more you can gather due to needing an equal amount of NE to balance it. Not only would Hashirama need to increase his chakra levels to Bijuu level, it still would not be comparable to Kyuubi level chakra (not that he can gather that much).
Hashirama not having access to all of the Bijuus like Naruto does which means Sasuke has more Bijuu Chakra to use at his disposal along with the fact that he doesn't have assistance in absorbing Natural Energy to counter Indra Arrow like Naruto did means he loses here.
Naruto only had passive access to Kurama's chakra. But even if Hashirama goes SM I don't see anything preventing Sasuke from using Ameno>outter paths absorption and taking his SM like Madara did to Hashi.
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That's a good question. If he gets on that lvl his mukon would be planetary like madara's. Or at least near planetary. He might win.
I'm not so sure, I mean it might not have the title "shin" but given his base abilities being at least mountain range he should scale up. And then throwing sage mode on top of it. ..
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KeyofDestiny
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His base abilities aren't Mountain Range in scale. That's probably what they would be in Base after the Rikudo boost.
BenjerminGaye
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Hashirama and Madara's fight tore up a mountain range.
Madara Braggs that his fights with hashi changes maps. He's mountain range scale.
Throw the rikudou multipler on it then the sm multipler on the rikudo and I see him at continental. At least.
KeyofDestiny
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Madara brags that Hashirama changes maps, thus a Hashirama with all his power. Madara and Hashirama's fight only tore up a Mountain Range after Shinsuusenju was called. All major damage to the environment before SS was because of PS and Kyuubi.
KingHashirama
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Lol, he never said "comparable to the amount Naruto handed out". He said that Naruto's chakra and then he corrected himself saying no Naruto and Kyuubi's chakra is comparable to his. He only said comparable to his, meaning its around his level, but he probably has the bigger one.
Now lets look at the feats done by BSM and Hashirama's SM. No BSM attack can match Hashirama's SS (in size or power). It is going to take Full Kurama for BSM Naruto match Hashirama's SM. Due to the difference in their base sizes. The SS without SM isn't that big at all... but once applied SS, it drastically towers mountains.
Naruto with RSM, only had half-kyuubi, yet was able to gather all that chakra, reason being is that his own chakra pool also got bigger and so on. Same powerup will be given to Hashirama if he has Rikudou chakra.
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