Rikudo Sasuke vs Juubito & Gai

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Juubito stomps Rinnegan Sasuke? hahaha...good one NB.

Juubito would get blitzed before doing this so call "stomp".

I would say Juubtio and Gai take this (mid-high diff) considering Sasuke has his Perfect Susano'O restricted.​
 

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Sasuke doesn't 1 shot juubito, his teleportation tech has been counter twice, just by movement speed.
Kaguya is faster than Obito, and she only countered it with movement speed once. No one else has evaded a blitz from him with pure speed. Madara got caught twice and the second time he needed to switch out with his clone, after he'd been caught...even then Sasuke still caught up to him and cut him in half.

Since when did gai need to blitz sasuke? EE is still relevant.
If he doesn't hit him before he can react, Sasuke simply teleports to evade, or uses his Armored Susanoo to block Evening Elephant.

Sasuke has about a minute delay on his cool down, EE and omyouton can kill him,
Onmyoton gets blocked with ease since it hasn't shown a feat to tear through an Armored Susanoo, and it can save him from Evening Elephant long enough to rinne blitz Gai afterwards.

But then again, Gai dies the moment Sasuke teleports as he'll be the first target, and Gai can't react.

But outside of this, how does sasuke kill juubito? Juubito regenerates instantly, but we forget cuz it's sasuke? Wow.
If you bothered to actually read the posts that came before yours instead of assuming that I'm saying that he kills Juubito, "just cuz" he's Sasuke, you'd see that I already mentioned how he gets killed.

Now, go read then reply.

Sasuke faster than madara?seriously?

Oh and guy casually blitzed madara
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Yes. Sasuke is faster than Pre Jin Madara as Base Rikudo Naruto pretty much did exactly what Gai did, as Kagutsuchi has shown, which is the closest he ever came to blitzing Madara. Sasuke is faster than Base Rikudo Naruto with his teleportation.

Lol, a blitz is when you can't react. He blocked Gai's attack there, and he blocked the second time he used the first step of Evening Elephant. Gai has never been able to blitz Madara with his movement speed. Fact, don't waste time trying to deny it.
 
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Lol,no he didnt
1) that was a battered and beaten down madara who hadnt recovered from the night moth as it is obvious by his body's injuries

2)madara casually summoned a goudama ball from a distance away and turned it into a staff all while naruto was charging,
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he got knocked back only because of his weakened state and the fact that naruto was using hagoromo's senjutsu to attack,he didnt move an inch when gai charged him,also his goudama balls were with him,yet he didnt even have time to move them. He was healthy then with all his goudamas.

Kaguya is faster than Obito, and she only countered it with movement speed once. No one else has evaded a blitz from him with pure speed. Madara got caught twice and the second time he needed to switch out with his clone, after he'd been caught...even then Sasuke still caught up to him and cut him in half.



If he doesn't hit him before he can react, Sasuke simply teleports to evade, or uses his Armored Susanoo to block Evening Elephant.



Onmyoton gets blocked with ease since it hasn't shown a feat to tear through an Armored Susanoo, and it can save him from Evening Elephant long enough to rinne blitz Gai afterwards.

But then again, Gai dies the moment Sasuke teleports as he'll be the first target, and Gai can't react.



If you bothered to actually read the posts that came before yours instead of assuming that I'm saying that he kills Juubito, "just cuz" he's Sasuke, you'd see that I already mentioned how he gets killed.

Now, go read then reply.



Yes. Sasuke is faster than Pre Jin Madara as Base Rikudo Naruto pretty much did exactly what Gai did, as Kagutsuchi has shown, which is the closest he ever came to blitzing Madara. Sasuke is faster than Base Rikudo Naruto with his teleportation.

Lol, a blitz is when you can't react. He blocked Gai's attack there, and he blocked the second time he used the first step of Evening Elephant. Gai has never been able to blitz Madara with his movement speed. Fact, don't waste time trying to deny it.
already countered the naruto argument.sasuke being faster than pre jin madara adds what exactly?,since we are talking about jin madara. Madara ran from the ground and flew,meaning gai couldnt use his speed,but rather had to kick up air to get to madara and madara still noted he was fast.
Juubito already anticipated and reacted to being tagged with ftg on his body,which basically means the attacks spawned on his body. Sasuke teleports near juubito,tries to strike,and gets his body cut in half,worst case scenario,juubito gets caught,he regenerates the next second and still rips sasuke in half.
 

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Lol,no he didnt
1) that was a battered and beaten down madara who hadnt recovered from the night moth as it is obvious by his body's injuries
He hadn't finished healing, but as you can clearly see he was mostly regenerated in that scan, most his damage was just cosmetic damage at that point, and Madara said he was getting pushed back cause Naruto got stronger, not because he hadn't finished healing.

2)madara casually summoned a goudama ball from a distance away and turned it into a staff all while naruto was charging,
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he got knocked back only because of his weakened state and the fact that naruto was using hagoromo's senjutsu to attack,he didnt move an inch when gai charged him,also his goudama balls were with him,yet he didnt even have time to move them. He was healthy then with all his goudamas.
Lol what? That ball was right next to him, as the scan you yourself posted clearly shows, and the Gudo Dama transforming is already extremely fast.


"Did he block it?" "Fast"

Lol, he didn't move an inch? Are we really not looking at the panels here? He moved his arms to block Gai's attack with his staff. Madara didn't get blitzed, he blocked Gai.


already countered the naruto argument.sasuke being faster than pre jin madara adds what exactly?,since we are talking about jin madara. Madara ran from the ground and flew,meaning gai couldnt use his speed,but rather had to kick up air to get to madara and madara still noted he was fast.
I said Pre Shinju Madara, not Pre Jin Madara, as in Madara before he absorbed the Shinju, and how does the bold have anything to do with my post aside from the bit where he noted that Gai was fast, but that doesn't change the fact that he never outright blitzed Madara.

Blocked.


Blocked.


This is the same Madara that was getting speed pressured by someone slower than Rinnegan Sasuke. (Base Rikudo Naruto) Juubito is even slower than Gai or Madara.



Juubito already anticipated and reacted to being tagged with ftg on his body,which basically means the attacks spawned on his body. Sasuke teleports near juubito,tries to strike,and gets his body cut in half,worst case scenario,juubito gets caught,he regenerates the next second and still rips sasuke in half.
Spawned on his body? You teleport, then you strike. I've already replied to this in previous posts. If that was true, then Obito's chakra arms wouldn't have been pushed back as there would be no force being applied to the Rasengan that would cause it to do so.

Same as here.


Even if it turned out you were correct (Which you aren't) Obito prepped his chakra arms so he could kill them once they jumped behind him, and he saw Tobirama about to teleport them to his marking, hence his exclamation point when he turns toward Naruto, Minato, and Tobirama.


Either way, in the end, whether you are right or wrong, you still can't prove that Juubito can react to Sasuke's teleportation when the faster Madara got blitzed by it.

What force would cause him to be pushed downward if the Rasengan merely spawned on his body?

And once again, he doesn't need to be bisected, Susanoo can cut him into pieces, with ease considering an SM Rasengan damaged his body. And I've replied to OD's belief on Obito's regeneration.
 

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Yeah, how was that impact made? By them pushing the Rasengan on to him. The Avatars themselves never made contact with Obito's body in a way that would make him fall. Hiraishin only lets you teleport, you still have to actually hit the person you are trying to hit yourself.
L0l this is to easy step your game up. When they spawned on him they clearly inserted force not to mention this thing called gravity will automatically pull them down etc. You thinking that they didn't put any force behide there attacks is pure idiotic. If no force was inserted how come both parties flew back?




Actually, yes it does. At the very least it should be equal, no reason why Obito's regenerative powers should be far above Madara's when it all comes from the Juubi and nothing else.

Meaning Obito in that particular state, where his body blows up in size due to the Juubi's influence, he has better regenerative abilities than he should have.

Lol, fan service? Is that your next excuse? It was stated, so its a fact. Pain said if Jiraiya knew his secret, that he could have won in that particular scenario, meaning its true. Simple as that.
So wait your denying Manda facts because of what Madara said???
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Wrong. The Shinju was still connected to Obito's body, that's where its power came from. Obito had all the Bijuu chakra in his body, and he didn't use it to free the Shinju. It didn't have power inside of itself that Obito didn't already have, and the same Bijuu power Obito had is what Madara took, plus Yang Kurama.
L0l if you say so ma g.











The first bolded statement is a statement I forgot to finish. Minato still needs to strike after using Hiraishin, he doesn't instantaneously attack, cause you can't react to instantaneous. If he was really striking at instant speeds, Obito would have been lolblitzed. The second statement is a reply to you saying "Madara was still healing" when I mentioned how Base Naruto speed pressured him.



Susanoo cuts through or knocks away his chakra arms, and he parries his Gudo Dama. Obito failed to knock Sasuke back just like that when he was using an inferior complete Susanoo in canon.

If he calls the Shinju, Sasuke simply teleports away since the cooldown isn't that long, normally. Not to mention he has to stop and clap his hands before he can call the Shinju, if he tries it, Sasuke kills him with Susanoo, or blitzes him with the Rinnegan and then kills him as the Shinju comes out, since it needs to evolve from the Juubi into its last form.
It's a manga fact that he did you saying that it's impossible means nothing when he already shown he could do it. His teleporting range is what 100meters you realize the God tree covered the aoe of that barrier with seconds? Take look here babygirl. ( )-( ). Sasuke not getting away from that.
 

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L0l this is to easy step your game up. When they spawned on him they clearly inserted force not to mention this thing called gravity will automatically pull them down etc. You thinking that they didn't put any force behide there attacks is pure idiotic. If no force was inserted how come both parties flew back?
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I never said they didn't put force behind their attack, in fact I SAID THEY DID, HENCE THE MOVEMENT LINES, which I mentioned in one of my previous post..lmao, the only thing that is idiotic here is your argument, and your inability to read and comprehend information the correct way.

By saying that they inserted force you are pretty much disagreeing with your original stance that they simply teleported onto him. They had to teleport, and then push the Rasengan into his back. Go read my reply to Genii, and the damn manga. They don't teleport instantly onto him and attacked just like that, they had to teleport, then attack by pushing the Rasengan into his back, giving him time to shoot his chakra arms out.

Also:

Spawned on his body? You teleport, then you strike. I've already replied to this in previous posts. If that was true, then Obito's chakra arms wouldn't have been pushed back as there would be no force being applied to the Rasengan that would cause it to do so.

Same as here.


Even if it turned out you were correct (Which you aren't) Obito prepped his chakra arms so he could kill them once they jumped behind him, and he saw Tobirama about to teleport them to his marking, hence his exclamation point when he turns toward Naruto, Minato, and Tobirama.


Either way, in the end, whether you are right or wrong, you still can't prove that Juubito can react to Sasuke's teleportation when the faster Madara got blitzed by it.

What force would cause him to be pushed downward if the Rasengan merely spawned on his body?

And once again, he doesn't need to be bisected, Susanoo can cut him into pieces, with ease considering an SM Rasengan damaged his body. And I've replied to OD's belief on Obito's regeneration.


So wait your denying Manda facts because of what Madara said???
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What Madara stated is the manga fact. Since you clearly have no intelligent reply to this part, concession accepted. Sasuke chops Obito into pieces and he dies.





It's a manga fact that he did you saying that it's impossible means nothing when he already shown he could do it. His teleporting range is what 100meters you realize the God tree covered the aoe of that barrier with seconds? Take look here babygirl. ( )-( ). Sasuke not getting away from that.
Lol. Madara and Hashirama were in that same barrier, and they didn't get caught by the Shinju. Minato was in that barrier, his Avatar got caught but he managed to escape. Sasuke is faster than them, teleportation wise and on foot. He easily evades the Shinju. Easily.

Obito gets blitzed though so the shinju shit is never happening.
 

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"Madara shouldn't be taken seriously" Lol talk about grasping at straws and denying Manga facts. Pathetic excuse.
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I never said they didn't put force behind their attack, in fact I SAID THEY DID, HENCE THE MOVEMENT LINES, which I mentioned in one of my previous post..lmao, the only thing that is idiotic here is your argument, and your inability to read and comprehend information the correct way.

By saying that they inserted force you are pretty much disagreeing with your original stance that they simply teleported onto him. They had to teleport, and then push the Rasengan into his back. Go read my reply to Genii, and the damn manga. They don't teleport instantly onto him and attacked just like that, they had to teleport, then attack by pushing the Rasengan into his back, giving him time to shoot his chakra arms out.
Yes after they spawned on him. Actually no that doesn't mean that im disagreeing with what i originally said. Obito being spawned trapped ( ) they clearly put force in it hence the reason why Obito flew back. ( ) Your acting as if you spawn on someone adding force after the spawn is impossible also that was another scan of them spawning on the target.

Also:
What Madara stated is the manga fact. Since you clearly have no intelligent reply to this part, concession accepted. Sasuke chops Obito into pieces and he dies.







Lol. Madara and Hashirama were in that same barrier, and they didn't get caught by the Shinju. Minato was in that barrier, his Avatar got caught but he managed to escape. Sasuke is faster than them, teleportation wise and on foot. He easily evades the Shinju. Easily.

Obito gets blitzed though so the shinju shit is never happening.
Your talking about me denying manga facts when your implying Obito cannot do a feat he already showed because Madara said he almost died please stop. You realize the distance between Obito and Madara and Hashirama?( ). It would be odd if they couldn't get away from it from that distance. You realize the Shinju stop attacking edo's right?( ) Minato clearly isn't being attacked now that his Kurama avatar his away the branches just took Naruto they didn't even bother with Minato or Tobirama. Same with Hiruzen( ). You realize you overlapping yourself first you say Sasuke is going to follow Juubito via Susanoo then you say he's going to teleport? Once Sasuke jumps with his Susanoo to follow Obito he gets caught in Shinju because it's spread time is to larg plus he'll be airborn.
 

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Lol what? That ball was right next to him, as the scan you yourself posted clearly shows, and the Gudo Dama transforming is already extremely fast.


"Did he block it?" "Fast"

Lol, he didn't move an inch? Are we really not looking at the panels here? He moved his arms to block Gai's attack with his staff. Madara didn't get blitzed, he blocked Gai.




I said Pre Shinju Madara, not Pre Jin Madara, as in Madara before he absorbed the Shinju, and how does the bold have anything to do with my post aside from the bit where he noted that Gai was fast, but that doesn't change the fact that he never outright blitzed Madara.

Blocked.


Blocked.


This is the same Madara that was getting speed pressured by someone slower than Rinnegan Sasuke. (Base Rikudo Naruto) Juubito is even slower than Gai or Madara.





Spawned on his body? You teleport, then you strike. I've already replied to this in previous posts. If that was true, then Obito's chakra arms wouldn't have been pushed back as there would be no force being applied to the Rasengan that would cause it to do so.

Same as here.


Even if it turned out you were correct (Which you aren't) Obito prepped his chakra arms so he could kill them once they jumped behind him, and he saw Tobirama about to teleport them to his marking, hence his exclamation point when he turns toward Naruto, Minato, and Tobirama.


Either way, in the end, whether you are right or wrong, you still can't prove that Juubito can react to Sasuke's teleportation when the faster Madara got blitzed by it.

What force would cause him to be pushed downward if the Rasengan merely spawned on his body?

And once again, he doesn't need to be bisected, Susanoo can cut him into pieces, with ease considering an SM Rasengan damaged his body. And I've replied to OD's belief on Obito's regeneration.
gai nearly kicked his insides out,his outer parts may have been mostly healed but hin insides were still screwed up,there was nothing like cosmetic damage,he hadnt fully recovered.

When gai started moving nadara didnt realize it until he was infront of him,the only reason he managed to put up his arm was because gai stopped to activate the EE. You can clearly see gai stopping just infront of madara,then activating the attack,even with that pause,madara could just use his staff,he couldnt even use the goudamas behind him that were directly hovering around his back,had gai not stopped,madara would have been b*tch slapped before he knew gai had moved. He noticed gai only after gai stopped moving.

You said pre jin madara:|
if by faster you mean actual movement speed and reflexes,no madara shits on that aspect,if by faster you mean his s/t then yes,since he is teleporting,he is faster. The fact that madara only successfully made shields to block gai's attacks is when he was flying. Infact, gai blitzed madara even in the air.
He blocks the first one,dosent notice gai has gone round his shield until its too late

second one hits him and he fires two more

all hit and madara is still standing where he was when he blocked the first one.

gai utterly blitzed madara there.

A wounded madara had no problem with naruto's speed,it was the strength of the punch that pushed him back,get the difference.

Ftg is not sasuke's s/t,it teleports to the seal,if the seal is on a body it teleports to the body,or at least inches within the body's reach.
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do you see any other movement?,either the attack spawns or appears inches towards the seal. Obito was pushed down because they applied force after they appeared

Sasuke teleports a little distance from the person he is teleporting to,more than enough for a juubi jin to take advantage.

Madara never got blitzed by it in any way. He escaped so fast he had gone a distance before sasuke even knew he was gone.
Where did you even get the fact that madara is mcuh faster?,cuz by feats juubito is much faster.
7 gated gai was already pushing madara back

madara went offensive only after gai suffered the drawbacks. Juubito while mindless casually blitzed bm naruto and easily dodged bsm naruto.

Susanoo gets erased lol
 

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gai nearly kicked his insides out,his outer parts may have been mostly healed but hin insides were still screwed up,there was nothing like cosmetic damage,he hadnt fully recovered.

When gai started moving nadara didnt realize it until he was infront of him,the only reason he managed to put up his arm was because gai stopped to activate the EE. You can clearly see gai stopping just infront of madara,then activating the attack,even with that pause,madara could just use his staff,he couldnt even use the goudamas behind him that were directly hovering around his back,had gai not stopped,madara would have been b*tch slapped before he knew gai had moved. He noticed gai only after gai stopped moving.

You said pre jin madara:|
if by faster you mean actual movement speed and reflexes,no madara shits on that aspect,if by faster you mean his s/t then yes,since he is teleporting,he is faster. The fact that madara only successfully made shields to block gai's attacks is when he was flying. Infact, gai blitzed madara even in the air.
He blocks the first one,dosent notice gai has gone round his shield until its too late

second one hits him and he fires two more

all hit and madara is still standing where he was when he blocked the first one.

gai utterly blitzed madara there.

A wounded madara had no problem with naruto's speed,it was the strength of the punch that pushed him back,get the difference.

Ftg is not sasuke's s/t,it teleports to the seal,if the seal is on a body it teleports to the body,or at least inches within the body's reach.
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do you see any other movement?,either the attack spawns or appears inches towards the seal. Obito was pushed down because they applied force after they appeared

Sasuke teleports a little distance from the person he is teleporting to,more than enough for a juubi jin to take advantage.

Madara never got blitzed by it in any way. He escaped so fast he had gone a distance before sasuke even knew he was gone.
Where did you even get the fact that madara is mcuh faster?,cuz by feats juubito is much faster.
7 gated gai was already pushing madara back

madara went offensive only after gai suffered the drawbacks. Juubito while mindless casually blitzed bm naruto and easily dodged bsm naruto.

Susanoo gets erased lol
My point exactly KG is a fool. Sasuke loses.
 

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Yes after they spawned on him. Actually no that doesn't mean that im disagreeing with what i originally said. Obito being spawned trapped ( ) they clearly put force in it hence the reason why Obito flew back. ( ) Your acting as if you spawn on someone adding force after the spawn is impossible also that was another scan of them spawning on the target.
Yes it does. You are saying that they applied force, pushed the Rasengan, into him after teleporting to him, meaning that they need to strike after teleporting, it all isn't in the same process. How hard is this to understand? Which gave Obito time to react. And I see no reply to this so I'll repost it:

Even if it turned out you were correct (Which you aren't) Obito prepped his chakra arms so he could kill them once they jumped behind him, and he saw Tobirama about to teleport them to his marking, hence his exclamation point when he turns toward Naruto, Minato, and Tobirama.


You are basically telling me Obito reacted to an instant attack, which is impossible as YOU CAN'T REACT TO INSTANT. I don't know how many times it has to be said before you people understand.

The scan of Goshun Mawashi is irrelevant as Sasuke and Naruto ran forward with their attack, so they were already pushing on it, applying force, and Tobirama simply put Obito in the way. We are talking about the attacker teleporting and hitting the target.


Your talking about me denying manga facts when your implying Obito cannot do a feat he already showed because Madara said he almost died please stop. You realize the distance between Obito and Madara and Hashirama?( ). It would be odd if they couldn't get away from it from that distance. You realize the Shinju stop attacking edo's right?( ) Minato clearly isn't being attacked now that his Kurama avatar his away the branches just took Naruto they didn't even bother with Minato or Tobirama. Same with Hiruzen( ). You realize you overlapping yourself first you say Sasuke is going to follow Juubito via Susanoo then you say he's going to teleport? Once Sasuke jumps with his Susanoo to follow Obito he gets caught in Shinju because it's spread time is to larg plus he'll be airborn.
I gave my reasoning, and you didn't counter. If you aren't counter don't bother replying as I've already taken your concession.

-I posted scans of it attacking Hashirama and Madara in this discussion already, so no, it didn't stop attacking Edos. It's assault simply ended since by that time, nobody was being attacked except for the people who were already caught. Sasuke does the same with ease.

-Yeah, he jumps at Juubito, engages him just like he did here, and then if he tries to call the Shinju he does one of two things:

1. Rinne blitzes him and kills him with Susanoo.

2. Uses the Rinnegan to get away from him, to evade the Shinju, just how Madara, Hashirama, and Minato did.

I'm not overlapping or contradicting myself.
 

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gai nearly kicked his insides out,his outer parts may have been mostly healed but hin insides were still screwed up,there was nothing like cosmetic damage,he hadnt fully recovered.
Gai only broke some of his ribcage and almost blew half of his right side off, which was shown iregenerating in the manga.

When gai started moving nadara didnt realize it until he was infront of him,the only reason he managed to put up his arm was because gai stopped to activate the EE. You can clearly see gai stopping just infront of madara,then activating the attack,even with that pause,madara could just use his staff,he couldnt even use the goudamas behind him that were directly hovering around his back,had gai not stopped,madara would have been b*tch slapped before he knew gai had moved. He noticed gai only after gai stopped moving.
I'll give you that, but it doesn't change the fact that Madara was following Gai's speed.


Madara is moving his eye as Gai moves, meaning he was following his speed. He blocked the subsequent attack, meaning he he was following his speed.

You said pre jin madara:|
Lol, my bad.

if by faster you mean actual movement speed and reflexes,no madara shits on that aspect,if by faster you mean his s/t then yes,since he is teleporting,he is faster. The fact that madara only successfully made shields to block gai's attacks is when he was flying. Infact, gai blitzed madara even in the air.
He blocks the first one,dosent notice gai has gone round his shield until its too late

second one hits him and he fires two more

all hit and madara is still standing where he was when he blocked the first one.

gai utterly blitzed madara there.
As shown above Madara was following Gai's movements. The only reason he got hit by the second step is because Madara was busy blocking the first step by the time Gai came around. If he couldn't follow Gai's movements, he wouldn't have blocked the first step, he would have gotten hit, and once he got hit by the other steps, the air currents trapped him in between, meaning he can't move.

Not to mention Evening Elephant is a move that increase in speed, striking speed that is. I'm only talking about Gai's movement speed.

A wounded madara had no problem with naruto's speed,it was the strength of the punch that pushed him back,get the difference.
Naruto jumps toward him, Madara is only able to block, just how Madara was only able to block Gai's attack. That is a speed issue. Other examples:

-Sasuke pretty much blitzes, and chops Madara in half.

Ftg is not sasuke's s/t,it teleports to the seal,if the seal is on a body it teleports to the body,or at least inches within the body's reach.
bito was pushed down because they applied force after they appeared

Sasuke teleports a little distance from the person he is teleporting to,more than enough for a juubi jin to take advantage.
That doesn't change the fact the user of the teleportation jutsu STILL HAS TO STRIKE ONCE THEY HAVE TELEPORTED. Sasuke surpasses any Hiraishin user when it comes to movement speed after getting Rikudo's power, so he'd strike faster.

-Movement lines show the two Kurama Avatars slamming the Rasengan into Obito's back. So yes, they moved.

-Movement lines show Minato stabbing Obito..not to mention common sense tells you he can't stab someone unless he pushes forward and applies some kind of force first.

-Them applying force after they got to him means that they had to attack further after actually teleporting, giving Obito time to react.

They don't strike instantaneously as its impossible to react to something that occurs instantaneously. Naruto characters don't even have light speed reactions let alone the capability to react to instantaneous occurrences. Thus Minato attacking Obito wasn't instant, its simply extremely fast. Sasuke is faster than him movement wise, so he'd strike faster than Minato can.

Madara never got blitzed by it in any way. He escaped so fast he had gone a distance before sasuke even knew he was gone.
Fails to react. Gets stabbed.


Sasuke teleports Madara in between them. Madara fails to react and gets hit.


You mentioning the bold is irrelevant since Madara switched out with his clone (That was in his body) AFTER he'd already gotten hit, as the scan clearly shows. So no, Madara got blitzed, inferior Obito gets blitzed as well.

Where did you even get the fact that madara is mcuh faster?,cuz by feats juubito is much faster.
Dafuq? Base Madara's speed feats>Obito's speed feats. So Rikudo Madara's speed>Juubito's, especially since Madara has more Bijuu.

7 gated gai was already pushing madara back

madara went offensive only after gai suffered the drawbacks. Juubito while mindless casually blitzed bm naruto and easily dodged bsm naruto.
Lol. BSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke adjusted to Obito's speed, and they both him, forcing him to .

7th Gate Gai pushing Madara back doesn't discredit Madara, nor does it mean that Juubito is faster. It simply means Gai is fast. Madara was casually blocking 7th Gate Gai and he was simply jumping back, didn't even have to use any kind of Shunshin.

Susanoo gets erased lol
By what? Rikudo Chakra has already shown to be the same as Senjutsu when Madara got cut in half by Sasuke's attack, despite his body not being able to be harmed by Senjutsu or Ninjutsu. Gudo Dama isn't erasing shit here.
 

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Yes it does. You are saying that they applied force, pushed the Rasengan, into him after teleporting to him, meaning that they need to strike after teleporting, it all isn't in the same process. How hard is this to understand? Which gave Obito time to react. And I see no reply to this so I'll repost it:

Even if it turned out you were correct (Which you aren't) Obito prepped his chakra arms so he could kill them once they jumped behind him, and he saw Tobirama about to teleport them to his marking, hence his exclamation point when he turns toward Naruto, Minato, and Tobirama.


You are basically telling me Obito reacted to an instant attack, which is impossible as YOU CAN'T REACT TO INSTANT. I don't know how many times it has to be said before you people understand.
They applied force after they spawned on him what don't you get about that? Obito will since chakra build up in Sasuke eye's and he'll be ready for his Rinne blitz. Just like how he reacted to being spawned trapped.

The scan of Goshun Mawashi is irrelevant as Sasuke and Naruto ran forward with their attack, so they were already pushing on it, applying force, and Tobirama simply put Obito in the way. We are talking about the attacker teleporting and hitting the target.




I gave my reasoning, and you didn't counter. If you aren't counter don't bother replying as I've already taken your concession.
I understand what your saying but listen to this Obito appeared on there attack right? Now why wouldn't there other attacks appear on Obito?

-I posted scans of it attacking Hashirama and Madara in this discussion already, so no, it didn't stop attacking Edos. It's assault simply ended since by that time, nobody was being attacked except for the people who were already caught. Sasuke does the same with ease.

-Yeah, he jumps at Juubito, engages him just like he did here, and then if he tries to call the Shinju he does one of two things:

1. Rinne blitzes him and kills him with Susanoo.

2. Uses the Rinnegan to get away from him, to evade the Shinju, just how Madara, Hashirama, and Minato did.

I'm not overlapping or contradicting myself.
How is he going to do a Rinne blitz and he just blitz Gai? Did you forget Obito would fly straight up in the air after Gai gets blitzed Sasuke would be left on the ground helpless. And if he tries to follow Obito by Jumping in the air with his Susanoo Obito explodes TSB's to stall him why he gets his distance Sasuke falls back to earth Obito has multiple thins he could do at this point.

Option 1- He could use Shinju let it progress then absorb it to become immortal.

Option 2- He could increase the size of Omyoudon to block him while he goes down to prep-Juubidama tree.
 

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They applied force after they spawned on him what don't you get about that? Obito will since chakra build up in Sasuke eye's and he'll be ready for his Rinne blitz. Just like how he reacted to being spawned trapped.
1. Meaning they had to act AFTER teleporting, giving him time to react, making the attack not instant. The sheer fact Obito reacted means it wasn't instant.

2. When you can show me proof of this being possible then we can talk. Madara got blitzed by it twice and had no indication of it.


I understand what your saying but listen to this Obito appeared on there attack right? Now why wouldn't there other attacks appear on Obito?
Obito didn't appear on their attack, he appeared in the path of their attack and then the attack hit him.

How is he going to do a Rinne blitz and he just blitz Gai? Did you forget Obito would fly straight up in the air after Gai gets blitzed Sasuke would be left on the ground helpless. And if he tries to follow Obito by Jumping in the air with his Susanoo Obito explodes TSB's to stall him why he gets his distance Sasuke falls back to earth Obito has multiple thins he could do at this point.


I never said he'll Rinne blitz Obito right after Gai. I said he'll engage Obito in mid air via Susanoo, and then once his eye recharges he'll blitz him. Why would he be on the ground helpless.

-Exploding the Gudo Dama won't help since Susanoo would brush it off, nor will it push his Susanoo back to the ground.

Option 1- He could use Shinju let it progress then absorb it to become immortal.
When he learns that something like this is possible, then we can talk. You must not

Option 2- He could increase the size of Omyoudon to block him while he goes down to prep-Juubidama tree.
Before or after he gets blitzed? Not to mention Sasuke can just teleport next to Obito, behind whatever barrier he may make. So its irrelevant.
 

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1. Meaning they had to act AFTER teleporting, giving him time to react, making the attack not instant. The sheer fact Obito reacted means it wasn't instant.

2. When you can show me proof of this being possible then we can talk. Madara got blitzed by it twice and had no indication of it.




Obito didn't appear on their attack, he appeared in the path of their attack and then the attack hit him.
So ftg is instant anymore smh? Your trying to degrade Obito again because of something Madara failed to do/deliver? I want a manga scan of Sasuke using his s/tech and it doesn't involve any type of chakra.


I never said he'll Rinne blitz Obito right after Gai. I said he'll engage Obito in mid air via Susanoo, and then once his eye recharges he'll blitz him. Why would he be on the ground helpless.

-Exploding the Gudo Dama won't help since Susanoo would brush it off, nor will it push his Susanoo back to the ground.



When he learns that something like this is possible, then we can talk. You must not



Before or after he gets blitzed? Not to mention Sasuke can just teleport next to Obito, behind whatever barrier he may make. So its irrelevant.
Obito gets blitzed though so the shinju shit is never happening.
or blitzes him with the Rinnegan and then kills him as the Shinju comes out, since it needs to evolve from the Juubi into its last form.
Point proven.

Are you implying Sasuke Susanoo other than Ps can fly? So Susanoo is going to tank an exploding TSB did you forget these things are like Jinton l0l Sasuke Susanoo was pierced by Kaguya's hair and it's tanking a TSB explosion?
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Did you forget the intel was Manga buddy? So wait Sasuke can teleport inside something he has no idea what it looks like if im correct he needs to see something to teleport.
 

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So ftg is instant anymore smh? Your trying to degrade Obito again because of something Madara failed to do/deliver? I want a manga scan of Sasuke using his s/tech and it doesn't involve any type of chakra.
No, I said the attack isn't instant. The warping is.

I want a manga scan that shows any kind of noticeable build up.

-Naruto, best sensor after getting Rikudo Senjutsu noticed nothing.

-Kaguya, noticed nothing.

-Madara, noticed nor saw anything.

Now you are trying to tell me Obito will see him building up chakra, and be able to react? Stop with the fanfiction.




Point proven.

When he tries to call the Shinju. You never said he'd call the Shinju right after attacking Gai.

Are you implying Sasuke Susanoo other than Ps can fly? So Susanoo is going to tank an exploding TSB did you forget these things are like Jinton l0l Sasuke Susanoo was pierced by Kaguya's hair and it's tanking a TSB explosion?
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Did you forget the intel was Manga buddy? So wait Sasuke can teleport inside something he has no idea what it looks like if im correct he needs to see something to teleport.
No, I'm not.


That is mid air. Canon.

No, its not exactly like Jinton. It can be blocked.


Naruto never got hit. An explosion of one of those balls doesn't have the feats to break through Sasuke's old armored Susanoo, forget about his current one, amped by Rikudo's chakra. Mentioning Kaguya's hair is pointless. I'll just say the same thing to you that I say to everyone who uses this nonsense comparison. Learn the difference between an Armored Susanoo and a Ribcage's hand.

No.


He teleported behind the blob, meaning he doesn't need to see, unless you are telling me he can see through it. Lol
 

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No, I said the attack isn't instant. The warping is.

I want a manga scan that shows any kind of noticeable build up.

-Naruto, best sensor after getting Rikudo Senjutsu noticed nothing.

-Kaguya, noticed nothing.

-Madara, noticed nor saw anything.

Now you are trying to tell me Obito will see him building up chakra, and be able to react? Stop with the fanfiction.
When the attack spawn on you it's instant fool. Why would Naruto mention anything about Sasuke chakra build up? When he didn't even no wha he was doing. Same with Madara and Kaguya.




When he tries to call the Shinju. You never said he'd call the Shinju right after attacking Gai.



No, I'm not.


That is mid air. Canon.

No, its not exactly like Jinton. It can be blocked.


Naruto never got hit. An explosion of one of those balls doesn't have the feats to break through Sasuke's old armored Susanoo, forget about his current one, amped by Rikudo's chakra. Mentioning Kaguya's hair is pointless. I'll just say the same thing to you that I say to everyone who uses this nonsense comparison. Learn the difference between an Armored Susanoo and a Ribcage's hand.

No.


He teleported behind the blob, meaning he doesn't need to see, unless you are telling me he can see through it. Lol
When he takes flight the Juubi comes out of his back and turns into the Shinju or began to nuke. This is a tsb that last thing wasn't it couldn't even negate Ninjutsu try again. So Sasuke couldn't see this rock from here?( ).
 

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When the attack spawn on you it's instant fool. Why would Naruto mention anything about Sasuke chakra build up? When he didn't even no wha he was doing. Same with Madara and Kaguya.
The attack doesn't spawn on the target, they have to hit the target. That's not instant. Minato had Obito marked, but when he blitzed him he had to slash him...are you going to tell me that was instant too? lmao. Come on now.


I'll give you Naruto, but Madara and Kaguya were fighting him, and they would have done this if it were possible. Yet they didn't. Madara saw his jutsu, yet he never knew when it was coming despite being able to sense with Rikudo Senjutsu and being able to see with his Rinnegan.

Not to mention there is no kind of noticeable build up. That's like saying he'll sense Hiraishin's build up. lol.




When he takes flight the Juubi comes out of his back and turns into the Shinju or began to nuke. This is a tsb that last thing wasn't it couldn't even negate Ninjutsu try again. So Sasuke couldn't see this rock from here?( ).
-He gets the Shinju, not the Juubi, so don't mention any nukes unless they are coming from his Bijuu Dama Tree. Already been over this.

-Sasuke evades the Shinju like the slower people did in canon. If Obito is going to call the Shinju immediately after taking flight, then Sasuke has no need to engage him, he'll simply evade. You act like the Shinju is going to blitz this guy even though it has to transform from the Juubi to the tree first.

Lol, he didnt teleport to the rock. So whatever point you are trying to make is moot.
 

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8th Gate Gai solos even an unrestricted Sasuke U_U overrated Sasuke doesn't have the speed nor spammability of his tech to survive more than 5 seconds. PS doesn't have the durability either to withstand an evening elephant U_U people must've been butthurt over Sasuke's uselessness these past few chapters (he's starting to remind me of Sakura. Actually Sakura has done more so far) that they've resorted to making tough battles for him which they think he wins. Too bad he doesn't win U_U what a poor sidekick. He better step his shit up soon and do something memorable for us. He's been letting me down
You are a Foolish clown, he stomps the shit out of gai neg dif. Gai has nothing on a flying ps and teleportation. Evening elephant is weaker than ps attack power, its defense is at that level also so it gets tanked neg dif. Bringing up irrelevant stufs to the topic, says people are burthurt but your post reeks of it, sakura is more useful than sasuke? Such stupidity in one post.
 
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