valandil988
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I'm just laying down some ideas for people to mull over.
Now I can see a lot of contention over whether the sage had the Rinnegan pre-sealing or post-sealing right now. The reason for this is Obito has yet to exhibit any change within his eyes at the current point in time.
This could be because of any number of reasons from the Juubi not being complete to not being the source of Dojutsu at all. However I will present a set of examples that should make logical sense, even without knowing for sure we can pretty much ascertain the truth just by looking at the general events surrounding the defeat of the Juubi.
For the Case of Pre-sealing Rinnegan Wielding Rikudo:
1. The powers of the Rinnegan are far reaching and pervasive, its purview seems to be unlimited at first glance and we haven't seen enough from Madara to really know the full depths of its capabilities. Lets just say if it can randomly drop meteors out of the sky in rather quick succession then its power must be great indeed. Another point to note is that Madara is not a Jinchuuriki yet he has demonstrated techniques that would take a huge amount of chakra to utilize. Now while Madara is an Edo he has the same overall chakra reserve he had in life hence these techniques would have been within his grasp during his life had he unlocked the Rinnegan earlier.
2. This can tell us that a "normal" persons chakra capacity can get large enough to preform these techniques hence if we assume Rikudo Sennin pre-sealing was a badass of badasses and if he was an natural user of the Rinnegan pre-sealing as some believe then these techniques would also have been within his grasp.
3. Banbutsu Sozo is one such technique that would have come under his purview the ability to make imagination reality, to create things from nothing....or in other words to change the form and existence of other beings and objects. If he had this godly ability, which nigh on sounds like reality manipulation do you really believe it would have been necessary for him to seal the Juubi inside him to preform this technique 80 or 100 years later on his death bed or at least close to it?
No the Rikudo could have likely restrained the Juubi long enough for him to split and alter the being of the juubi into the nine Biju. If he was a sage it is likely he could use Petra path to drain the Juubi's chakra from its body and use Banbutsu Sozo to imbue the Nine Biju into existence....All without becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki.
I believe that sealing it within himself was a desperate move made by him to buy him time enough to come up with a more permanent solution. Had he had the Rinnegan the answer would have been easy.
For the Case of Post-sealing Rinnegan Wielding Rikudo
1.The most telling fact that tells us the Rikudo did not have the Rinnegan pre-sealing is the fact that he sealed the Juubi at all. Previous points elude to this.
2.However a more telling point is that it was at the end of his life that Rikudo either "choose" or had only just discovered a way to defeat the Juubi in a more permanent fashion. Ie he didn't fully understand the Eyes he had gained from the sealing. Ie it took most of his life to discover how they worked. So in a way the Rikudo post-sealing may not have been a "natural" Dojutsu user but a artificial one due to the Juubi's influence, that is unless he had the Byakugan
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3.If the Rikudo had the Rinnegan and knew how to use it because he was born with it then why did he wait so long to use Banbutsu Sozo to create the Biju? Obviously we must assume that even if the Juubi was a thinking speaking being and could not be reasoned with Rikudo sealed it within himself as a last resort. If it could not be reasoned with why wait? Why not get it over with and use Banbutsu Sozo straight away after being sealed. No Pre-sealing Rikudo just has far to many plot holes for me to be comfortable with it.
Conclusion:
Simply put if the Rikudo had the Rinnegan previous to sealing the Juubi he would be far far too powerful, and that's even without any form of Sage mode lol. As right now Madara has shown himself using Rinnegan techs without Sage mode and hes pulled off some stupid ass stuff.
So a natural Rinnegan user + sage mode + chakra reserves of a level like Hashirama and Madara creates a being easily capable of defeating the Juubi without sealing it at all.
Anyway what do people think about my reasoning?
Now I can see a lot of contention over whether the sage had the Rinnegan pre-sealing or post-sealing right now. The reason for this is Obito has yet to exhibit any change within his eyes at the current point in time.
This could be because of any number of reasons from the Juubi not being complete to not being the source of Dojutsu at all. However I will present a set of examples that should make logical sense, even without knowing for sure we can pretty much ascertain the truth just by looking at the general events surrounding the defeat of the Juubi.
For the Case of Pre-sealing Rinnegan Wielding Rikudo:
1. The powers of the Rinnegan are far reaching and pervasive, its purview seems to be unlimited at first glance and we haven't seen enough from Madara to really know the full depths of its capabilities. Lets just say if it can randomly drop meteors out of the sky in rather quick succession then its power must be great indeed. Another point to note is that Madara is not a Jinchuuriki yet he has demonstrated techniques that would take a huge amount of chakra to utilize. Now while Madara is an Edo he has the same overall chakra reserve he had in life hence these techniques would have been within his grasp during his life had he unlocked the Rinnegan earlier.
2. This can tell us that a "normal" persons chakra capacity can get large enough to preform these techniques hence if we assume Rikudo Sennin pre-sealing was a badass of badasses and if he was an natural user of the Rinnegan pre-sealing as some believe then these techniques would also have been within his grasp.
3. Banbutsu Sozo is one such technique that would have come under his purview the ability to make imagination reality, to create things from nothing....or in other words to change the form and existence of other beings and objects. If he had this godly ability, which nigh on sounds like reality manipulation do you really believe it would have been necessary for him to seal the Juubi inside him to preform this technique 80 or 100 years later on his death bed or at least close to it?
No the Rikudo could have likely restrained the Juubi long enough for him to split and alter the being of the juubi into the nine Biju. If he was a sage it is likely he could use Petra path to drain the Juubi's chakra from its body and use Banbutsu Sozo to imbue the Nine Biju into existence....All without becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki.
I believe that sealing it within himself was a desperate move made by him to buy him time enough to come up with a more permanent solution. Had he had the Rinnegan the answer would have been easy.
For the Case of Post-sealing Rinnegan Wielding Rikudo
1.The most telling fact that tells us the Rikudo did not have the Rinnegan pre-sealing is the fact that he sealed the Juubi at all. Previous points elude to this.
2.However a more telling point is that it was at the end of his life that Rikudo either "choose" or had only just discovered a way to defeat the Juubi in a more permanent fashion. Ie he didn't fully understand the Eyes he had gained from the sealing. Ie it took most of his life to discover how they worked. So in a way the Rikudo post-sealing may not have been a "natural" Dojutsu user but a artificial one due to the Juubi's influence, that is unless he had the Byakugan
. 3.If the Rikudo had the Rinnegan and knew how to use it because he was born with it then why did he wait so long to use Banbutsu Sozo to create the Biju? Obviously we must assume that even if the Juubi was a thinking speaking being and could not be reasoned with Rikudo sealed it within himself as a last resort. If it could not be reasoned with why wait? Why not get it over with and use Banbutsu Sozo straight away after being sealed. No Pre-sealing Rikudo just has far to many plot holes for me to be comfortable with it.
Conclusion:
Simply put if the Rikudo had the Rinnegan previous to sealing the Juubi he would be far far too powerful, and that's even without any form of Sage mode lol. As right now Madara has shown himself using Rinnegan techs without Sage mode and hes pulled off some stupid ass stuff.
So a natural Rinnegan user + sage mode + chakra reserves of a level like Hashirama and Madara creates a being easily capable of defeating the Juubi without sealing it at all.
Anyway what do people think about my reasoning?
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