Rikudō Sennin origins

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So i don't know how many times did you hear this theory,i don't know .I'm new here so i didn't see this kind of theory's


Rikudō Sennin is by my opinion Uzumaki and Hyuga.Just hear me out don't bash me till you read this!

Kurama saw reincarnated Sage in Naruto,right?

So he is probably an Uzumaki,he sealed Ten Tails inside of him using Seal!And what is specialty of Uzumaki Clan?Yes,Seals!

So i think it's confirmed that Sage was part of Uzumaki.

Part 2 about Hyuga thing

In my opinion Byakyugan are the first eye's of power,then goes Sharingan after goes Rinnegan.

The reason why Byakyugan are the weakest eye's because they were the first form,and then Sharingan and then Rinnegan.

So it comes to this that in power goes like Rinnegan>Sharingan>Byakyugan.
But in evolution goes opposite way.(Byakyugan >Sharingan>Rinnegan)

So that's it.Be polite,don't bash,it's simple.
 

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It is not simple. What solid evidence do you have to say that the Rikudō Sennin (Sage of the Six Paths) is of Uzumaki origins?

Also, Rinnegan is the next evolution after obtaining Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. Therefore, it is in the Sharingan evolution cycle or phase, making it Sharingan.
 
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Just because he knows seals doesn't mean he is an Uzumaki. Its like assuming Kakashi is an Uchiha after he firsts shows his sharingan. We don't know the whole story so don't assume. So sorry but not enough solid evidence to agree with this.
 

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I wouldn't say they are the weakest eyes a skilled user could take out a 3 tome sharing an use no problem. They are also the most visually powerful as well.

But about the thread I enjoyed the read. Nice.
 

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So i don't know how many times did you hear this theory,i don't know .I'm new here so i didn't see this kind of theory's


Rikudō Sennin is by my opinion Uzumaki and Hyuga.Just hear me out don't bash me till you read this!

Kurama saw reincarnated Sage in Naruto,right?

So he is probably an Uzumaki,he sealed Ten Tails inside of him using Seal!And what is specialty of Uzumaki Clan?Yes,Seals!

So i think it's confirmed that Sage was part of Uzumaki.

Part 2 about Hyuga thing

In my opinion Byakyugan are the first eye's of power,then goes Sharingan after goes Rinnegan.

The reason why Byakyugan are the weakest eye's because they were the first form,and then Sharingan and then Rinnegan.

So it comes to this that in power goes like Rinnegan>Sharingan>Byakyugan.
But in evolution goes opposite way.(Byakyugan >Sharingan>Rinnegan)

So that's it.Be polite,don't bash,it's simple.
Even thought I Agree with that point , I still have alot of Doubts...!

1.Logically Naruto isn't an Uzumaki
2.Uzumaki are specialized in sealing Jutsu but Sage is the Origin of Sealing Jutsu (Manga) so there is no Uzumaki or Uzumaki seals b4 sage...
Now we could say that Uzumaki are direct descendants of Sage since they are specialized in Sealing Jutsu and it is still unclear...

Look at these points

We already knw that Madara knw the complete history of Sage...

He mentioned about both sons of Sage(only knwn direct Desceandants of Sage)

He said that Uchiha and Senju are related and both originated from same sorce..

If Uzumaki are directly related to Sage the they must be related to both Senju as well as Uchiha but there is no mention of Uchiha being related to Uzumaki...

According to Manga Uzumaki are desceandents of Senju(Lineage means Desceandents of particular Origin ,Google it if u want)
which means that Origin of Uzumaki is Senju...!

U can't say that they are related to Sage just bcoz they are using Sage's jutsu ...Hashirama and Minato has shown good feats with sealing Jutsu of Sage and all the Ninjutsu that existed in NV is Originates from Sage but we can't say that all the people are related to Sage just bcoz they are useng jutsu's related to Sage...

In fact I do belive that Sage is an Uzumaki at the same time I dnt belive that he is an Uzumaki since we have no logical proof to say that he is an Uzumaki........

Sorry for my bad English....
 

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Just because he knows seals doesn't mean he is an Uzumaki. Its like assuming Kakashi is an Uchiha after he firsts shows his sharingan. We don't know the whole story so don't assume. So sorry but not enough solid evidence to agree with this.
Then why did Kurama recognized the Uzumaki Seal as Rikudou's?

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The Sage is Uzumaki.
 
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Then why did Kurama recognized the Uzumaki Seal as Rikudou's?

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The Sage is Uzumaki.
Bcoz Uzumaki's copied sealing Jutsu from Sage just like all the shinobi in NV copied ninjutsu from Sage.....!

What kind of logic It is ..?

Obito used same jutsu as Sage to seal Juubi, by u r logic Obito is an Uzumaki ......
 
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Bcoz Uzumaki's copied sealing Jutsu from Sage just like all the shinobi in NV copied ninjutsu from Sage.....!

What kind of logic It is ..?

Obito used same jutsu as Sage to seal Juubi, by u r logic Obito is an Uzumaki ......
Shinobi's created their own original Ninjutsus after the Sage :|
It's so obvious that Uzumaki Fūinjutsu is Rikūdo's original jutsu :rolleyes:
And yes Obito did use Uzumaki Fūinjutsu to become Jūbi's Jinchūriki because it is the original Fūinjutsu of Junchūriki.
 
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Shinobi's created their own original Ninjutsus after the Sage :|
It's so obvious that Uzumaki Fūinjutsu is Rikūdo's original jutsu :rolleyes:
And yes Obito did use Uzumaki Fūinjutsu to become Jūbi's Jinchūriki because it is the original Fūinjutsu of Junchūriki.
What the Hell..

The person that used that seal on Naruto is Minato so Minato is an Uzumaki right...?

Dude Uzumaki learned the Jutsu of Sage just like all others learned different Jutsu ...not every Uzumaki is a sealing specialist and Uzumaki aren't the only clan that can use sealing Jutsu....It isn't even a blood line like Sharingan and it is already proved that people from other clans can use same jutsu of Sage which means that they learned the jutsu of sage just like Uzumaki learned them...

Obito didn't used Uzumaki Sealing jutsu he used the same jutsu as Sage and he learned that from Uchiha tab ...


Minato developed 8 symbol based on 4 symbol seal of Uzumaki clan in the same way Uzumaki developed different kind of sealing justu based on Sage's sealing jutsu...

The reason thet they are specialized in sealing jutsu is bcoz they focused alot on Sealing jutsu insted of actual combat and thire life force is strong since they are the descendats of senju so that they have alot of time to develop different kind of jutsu based on Sage's sealing jutsu...!
 
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I doubt he will be Uzumaki. Sure there are a lot of connections that you can make, and it would make sense if he was, but I honestly don't see the SO6P actually turning out to be an Uzumaki.
 

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Lol SO6P was not an uzumaki nor hyuuga. you're opinion is foolish with little evidence to persuade and goes against the manga.

SO6P was Uchiha + Senju:
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He had their blood (Uchiha Cells + Senju Cells) as well as their powers. So it is a high chance that he had sharingan and possibly mokuton.

Uzuamki were only descendants of the senju as stated by zetsu:
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Bloodline/Linage:a. Direct descent from a particular ancestor; ancestry.

So uzumaki came after the senju who long came after SO6P death. Therefore its impossible for SO6P to be uzumaki.

As for the Hyuuga, we know little about them, but we know something for sure is that they are some how related to the Uchiha:
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remember only uchiha. So if they are related only to the uchiha then SO6P cannot be a hyuuga either. Although kakashi heard this from people therefore it is only a rumor so not a fact.

^^with these evidence we have from the manga, the theories of SO6P being uzuamki+hyuuga are all in nutshell because the manga clearly said SO6P = Uchiha + Senju. Uzumaki + Hyuuga came after these clans therefore he is not uzumaki+hyuuga.


Now for the part SO6P dojutsu, well now we have ^ information we can easily work out what first dojutsu he had.

Yes SO6P was naturally born with the rinnegan because we already know he had Uchiha + Senju cells, blood, powers, then that means he awakened the rinnegan because Rinnegan = Uchiha + Senju
as stated by madara:
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Therefore, SO6P had the rinnegan because he possessed the cells (uchiha + senju) to awakened them.

As for Sharingan + Byakugan, i think these dojutsu have to do something with the Elder Son's eyes some how.

Conclusion:
-SO6P was Uchiha + Senju
-Uzumaki + Hyuuga came after these 2 clans ^
-Its impossible for him to be Uzuamki + Hyuuga
-SO6P was their ancestor
-SO6P naturally awakened the rinnegan
-Sharingan + Byakugan most likely have do something with Elder son dojutsu IMO.
 
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So i don't know how many times did you hear this theory,i don't know .I'm new here so i didn't see this kind of theory's


Rikudō Sennin is by my opinion Uzumaki and Hyuga.Just hear me out don't bash me till you read this!

Kurama saw reincarnated Sage in Naruto,right?

So he is probably an Uzumaki,he sealed Ten Tails inside of him using Seal!And what is specialty of Uzumaki Clan?Yes,Seals!

So i think it's confirmed that Sage was part of Uzumaki.

Part 2 about Hyuga thing

In my opinion Byakyugan are the first eye's of power,then goes Sharingan after goes Rinnegan.

The reason why Byakyugan are the weakest eye's because they were the first form,and then Sharingan and then Rinnegan.

So it comes to this that in power goes like Rinnegan>Sharingan>Byakyugan.
But in evolution goes opposite way.(Byakyugan >Sharingan>Rinnegan)

So that's it.Be polite,don't bash,it's simple.
yup my sig say it all. uzumakis rule
 

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Lol SO6P was not an uzumaki nor hyuuga. you're opinion is foolish with little evidence to persuade and goes against the manga.

SO6P was Uchiha + Senju:
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He had their blood (Uchiha Cells + Senju Cells) as well as their powers. So it is a high chance that he had sharingan and possibly mokuton.

Uzuamki were only descendants of the senju as stated by zetsu:
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Bloodline/Linage:a. Direct descent from a particular ancestor; ancestry.

So uzumaki came after the senju who long came after SO6P death. Therefore its impossible for SO6P to be uzumaki.

As for the Hyuuga, we know little about them, but we know something for sure is that they are some how related to the Uchiha:
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remember only uchiha. So if they are related only to the uchiha then SO6P cannot be a hyuuga either. Although kakashi heard this from people therefore it is only a rumor so not a fact.

^^with these evidence we have from the manga, the theories of SO6P being uzuamki+hyuuga are all in nutshell because the manga clearly said SO6P = Uchiha + Senju. Uzumaki + Hyuuga came after these clans therefore he is not uzumaki+hyuuga.


Now for the part SO6P dojutsu, well now we have ^ information we can easily work out what first dojutsu he had.

Yes SO6P was naturally born with the rinnegan because we already know he had Uchiha + Senju cells, blood, powers, then that means he awakened the rinnegan because Rinnegan = Uchiha + Senju
as stated by madara:
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Therefore, SO6P had the rinnegan because he possessed the cells (uchiha + senju) to awakened them.

As for Sharingan + Byakugan, i think these dojutsu have to do something with the Elder Son's eyes some how.

Conclusion:
-SO6P was Uchiha + Senju
-Uzumaki + Hyuuga came after these 2 clans ^
-Its impossible for him to be Uzuamki + Hyuuga
-SO6P was their ancestor
-SO6P naturally awakened the rinnegan
-Sharingan + Byakugan most likely have do something with Elder son dojutsu IMO.
The Uchiha and Senju came from the Juubi, the Elder and Younger Sons were creations from the Juubi's essence with Banbutsu Sozo:

Viz:

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The Bijuus are but one example

So what are the other creations by Rikudou Sennin with Banbutsu Sozo?

This:

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The Elder and Younger Sons aka the Uchiha and Senju Ancestors.

Before becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki the Rikudou Sage was an Uzumaki.

The Younger Sons descendants were specified to be Senjus only:

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Also, concerning Zetsu's statement:



There is a great misconception in Zetsu's statement in chapter 606 saying that Nagato is a descendant of the Senjus because he is of Senju Lineage:

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It is not Zetsu's statement that is erroneous but the interpretation of others, if we take the translation of lineage based on the context of Zetsu's statement in conjunction with Kushina's statement in a previous chapter, the most accurate meaning of lineage, based on context, is the anthropological definition of the word: Kinship/Consanguinity:

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Kushina said the Uzumakis and Senjus were distant relatives, the true intended meaning of the word "lineage" based on the context of Zetsu's statement was : Consanguine of being related by blood, not Nagato descending from the Senjus : Nagato is a blood relative (lineage) of the Senju.

If the Senjus and Uzumakis descended from the same ancestor (Younger Son) then they will be close/immediate relatives, not distant relatives like Kushina said, which would contradict her statement and Manga canon, so it's logical to assume that the present day Uzumakis are "cousins" to both Senju and Uchiha since they did not descend from Rikudou himself but from Rikudou's relatives.

Also the original Japanese text of Zetsu in 606 is this:

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The original Japanese word that Zetsu used was "血縁" or Ketsuen which translates as "Blood Relative" NOT 子孫 or Shison which means descendant.

Anyone who can read Japanese will tell you that Zetsu's statement only meant blood relations but not pertaining to descent:

Sorry Sasuke2, but you're wrong. Try to read original Japanese manga Naruto especially if your theory is based on one word. Here:
Here we have chapter you mentioned (Chapter 606):
Now carefully look at Zetsu's words. Ser Derp Obito is right about this chapter. Zetsu used word 血縁 written in hiragana like this けつえん. And this word has only two meanings:
1) blood relative or relationship
2) consanguinity
 
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