[Discussion] Revival Of The Four Hokages (Thoughts)

[CrimsonFire]

Kages, who will they battle for? Don´t ya wonder what´s up with that turning point? They´re supposed to be the best among the best, do ya guys think they´ll break away from the spell?

It is a possibility, as I stated before Orochimaru left the hokages minds intact so they can talk to Sasuke. Pretty much Orochimaru gave them a free ticket to break their contracts, if they wanted to.

 

[~Zonta~]

Since the hokage have been revived we can its the real deal now...
If Hokages are in control and Edo they might take turns and beat crap out of sasuke, orochimaru, Juggo and sugetsu individually ....
I want to see them fight and I really want to see Sasuke v/s Naruto and orochimaru as final villain...............

 

[CrimsonFire]

Since the hokage have been revived we can its the real deal now...
If Hokages are in control and Edo they might take turns and beat crap out of sasuke, orochimaru, Juggo and sugetsu individually ....
I want to see them fight and I really want to see Sasuke v/s Naruto and orochimaru as final villain...............

lol They could or the hokages can help out Naruto and the other fight against the the ten tails. Yeah I can't wait to see the Hokage fight in the war, if Kishi doesn't troll us. I doubt Orochimaru is going to be the final villain, you got to remember Naruto is reaching it's end, so ether Orochimaru is going to take control of Sasuke body or Orochimaru is going to get killed for good. Honestly there's not much material left after Naruto vs Sasuke final.

 

[Oldspiceman]

I think Orochimaru will turn the hokages against Obito and Madara. I mean there was a reason why he left Akatsuki after all. That and how they were keeping tabs on Akatsuki. So Im pretty sure he will turn the hokages against madara and obito, use hashirama to help break apart the 10 tails, use hiruzen as fodder along with Enma, Tobirama to keep obito busy, and Minato to seal. That is how they will beat the 10 tails, obito, madara so Oro can go back to studying forbidden jutsu and trying to capture sasuke's body.

NOTE: The only reason why he is doing this is to prevent the Moon's Eye Plan from happening since I mean come on, Oro just got out of a ****ty genjutsu why would he allow himself to go back into another one? That and I also do believe that Oro is not pure evil but more of a mad scientist. He only hates the Leaf because of his exile if I recall correctly.

 

[Bhil]

I personally want to see more of Tobirama, he is the only hokage that we don't know very much about. I mean he was known as a very good water user and used space-time ninjutsu. I want to see more of that.

 

[saw2097]

The Hokages saving the day would kill the entire point of the manga. It also is insulting to everyone who died to stop the Eye of the Moon Plan if someone else walks in and beats the bad guys.

I highly doubt the Hokages have anything to do with the war.

 

[CrimsonFire]

The Hokages saving the day would kill the entire point of the manga. It also is insulting to everyone who died to stop the Eye of the Moon Plan if someone else walks in and beats the bad guys.

I highly doubt the Hokages have anything to do with the war.

Why you think the hokages will not have anything do with war? I'm just curious.

 

[saw2097]

Because it goes against the themes of this manga of one generation surpassing the previous, also its insulting to the entire Shinobi Alliance that they need to be rescued and they sacrificed so much only to be saved by dead guys.

The four Hokages saving the day would just be a horrible way to end this war.

 

[narutoblitz]

Common misconception, OP. Sasuke isn't looking for answers.

He already has one goal. He always has. It's revenge for his clan. The only fact that matters to Sasuke is that his entire family is dead. He wants to know why, that's all. Whether he blames Madara, the Leaf, Naruto, Itachi or whatever. He's that single-minded, and he isn't going to change his mind.

Here's my prediction: We see Kishi trollin', and we hating. But he isn't writing dirty. Sasuke will hear them out, and then decide this:

"My family is dead because of your "Will of Fire". Hashirama, why didn't you stop Madara for good when you had the chance at VoTE? Tobirama, why did you develop a horrible jutsu like Edo Tensei? Hiruzen, your hypocritical love of peace and weakness of character lead to my entire clan's demise. Minato, you're the worst... you turned your own son into the carrier of a beast and made our lives tragic and horrible because you couldn't get the job done yourself... I reject you and your hypocritical "Will of Fire". Now vanish into history, Hokages and become objects of my vengeance. Die along with this world of lies."

Hashirama fights Madara, he loses narrowly with Madara jacked up with Rinnegan and Juubi juice. Madara dies content that he bested his rival, causing Edo Tensei to evaporate and him to vanish. Tobirama finds a way to free himself from Edo Tensei and comments on how the dead should stay dead, possibly he fights Orochimaru or someone else. Hiruzen will probably fight Sasuke or Orochimaru as well. Minato will have his personality robbed and be sent to kill Naruto. I predict he steps in at the last second and stops Naruto from killing Madara, dealing a nearly fatal wound to a stunned Naruto that sends him back into Kyuubi-verse. For a few weeks we will assume Naruto is dead.

 

[Sentinel]

Wow....Kishimoto has just done something remarkable here, he truly did :y. Why? Kishimoto now has the opportunity to turn the 4th ninja war arc around. Honestly for the most part the 4th ninja war sucked with good moments in my opinion, I don't know about anyone else xd.

There is one major potential plot hole I notice from reading this chapter:flaw:, regarding to Orochimaru using edo Tensei. Orochimaru when he first used edo tensei back in the leaf destruction arc to summon the 1st and 2nd hokage, Orochimaru used a talisman to erase their minds clean to gain complete control them. Right? Ok in this chapter when Orochimaru used edo tensei he left their minds intact, so that the hokages can tell Sasuke what he to know. The hokages have been given the opportunity to break the contract, especially Tobirama since hes the one responsible for created edo tensei in the first place.

Here's how I see it:

1.Hashirama- He can tell Sasuke about his point of view on what happen between the Senju and Uchiha, about the will of fire, and what a village means.

2.Tobirama- Pretty much can tell Sasuke about the leaf organizations and about edo tensei

3.Hiruzen- Hiruzen can tell his side of the story about the uchiha massacre and Itachi.

4.Minato- Well....since Minato been watching Naruto his whole life from inside the seal, no surprise he well know all about Sasuke too. Minato might know more Sasuke parents.

Again this is good for few setups in the story, if Kishimoto play his cards right. thoughts

I apologize for writing so long lol. Anyway what are you guys thoughts on the return on the four hokages and how you think this will play out?

*Bonus Question*- Did you find all Orochimaru had to do was cut the reaper death seal stomach and were a mask convenient?

I don't think the edo hokages are going to be used in this war. I think they are just around for giving information and letting us have some history flashbacks. at least for now. oro did mention that he has no intrest in the war since it's not one he started, so I don't think he will send the edo hokages into battle in the war.

I do however feel like naruto is going to face these four edo's, possebly even with an edo tsunade aswel, if she dies, because it's not looking good. anyway, the reason I think naruto is going to have to fight them is because for the story it would prove that he realy surpased all previous hokage if he battles them all and beats them.
but this will be after the end of the war arc. that arc is close to an end, it's already in the final battle, what we see happening now with sasuke and orochimaru is setting up for the next arc.

 

[Honord Sage]

If Orochimaru doesn't implant the kunai with the restraining tags on the Hokages it's going to be interesting to see what happens next.

 

[CrimsonFire]

I don't think the edo hokages are going to be used in this war. I think they are just around for giving information and letting us have some history flashbacks. at least for now. oro did mention that he has no intrest in the war since it's not one he started, so I don't think he will send the edo hokages into battle in the war.

I do however feel like naruto is going to face these four edo's, possebly even with an edo tsunade aswel, if she dies, because it's not looking good. anyway, the reason I think naruto is going to have to fight them is because for the story it would prove that he realy surpased all previous hokage if he battles them all and beats them.
but this will be after the end of the war arc. that arc is close to an end, it's already in the final battle, what we see happening now with sasuke and orochimaru is setting up for the next arc.

Well...on one hand I can see were you coming from, this is the possibly the last arc in Naruto and the hokages coming at this point would take the attention way from Madara and the ten tail's (we still haven't seen the final transformation yet), and Sasuke return to the battle field to cause trouble. On the other hand with 4 hokages being back in the story can open up several setups for the reaminder of story that can help make this war arc better is how I see it.

 

[Sentinel]

Well...on one hand I can see were you coming from, this is the possibly the last arc in Naruto and the hokages coming at this point would take the attention way from Madara and the ten tail's (we still haven't seen the final transformation yet), and Sasuke return to the battle field to cause trouble. On the other hand with 4 hokages being back in the story can open up several setups for the reaminder of story that can help make this war arc better is how I see it.

true, we have not seen the final transformation, and I do think it's coming. that transformation is also going to make the strategy devised by shikaku in his last moments less effective and probably will require shikamaru to modify it, proving that he surpased his father (I think this is also important in the manga). the war arc was the story of the shinobi world vs obito and madara, I would feel it a bit of a shame if kishi would use orochimaru (who clearly is an antagonist in the story) to elongate or end that war arc. though as you say the hokage could make the current fight more intresting but it's not their fight to fight, having them fight alongside madara would be a desgrace to madara's beliefs and having them beat madara would take away from the hero story that is naruto.

madara is naruto's to beat.

oh and for your bonus question in the OP (I forgot to provide my answer in my first responce) I don't think it's convinient at all. once the death god's belly was cut the same wound appeard on orochimaru's body. and since he talks about him having to be sacrificed on page 10 I'm pretty sure that any other person who attempts this unsealing pays with his life. this also explains the quote of sasuke a while back of why oro is the only one who can do it. he can survive by jumping to another body before dieing, and he can bind the freed soals with edo tensei.

 

[MissShakra]

im sure we are about to learn a bunch of stuff about all of them. i imagine they will def enter the fight and oro is going to use him to his advantage but that will give us opportunity to see what the hype is all about

 

[CrimsonFire]

true, we have not seen the final transformation, and I do think it's coming. that transformation is also going to make the strategy devised by shikaku in his last moments less effective and probably will require shikamaru to modify it, proving that he surpased his father (I think this is also important in the manga). the war arc was the story of the shinobi world vs obito and madara, I would feel it a bit of a shame if kishi would use orochimaru (who clearly is an antagonist in the story) to elongate or end that war arc. though as you say the hokage could make the current fight more intresting but it's not their fight to fight, having them fight alongside madara would be a desgrace to madara's beliefs and having them beat madara would take away from the hero story that is naruto.

madara is naruto's to beat.

oh and for your bonus question in the OP (I forgot to provide my answer in my first responce) I don't think it's convinient at all. once the death god's belly was cut the same wound appeard on orochimaru's body. and since he talks about him having to be sacrificed on page 10 I'm pretty sure that any other person who attempts this unsealing pays with his life. this also explains the quote of sasuke a while back of why oro is the only one who can do it. he can survive by jumping to another body before dieing, and he can bind the freed soals with edo tensei.

Right, Naruto and the rookie 11 are the next generation shinobi of Konoha, of course they are suppose to surpass their parents that's how it always is, same with real life next generation surpasses old generation a contentious cycle. Shikamaru becoming a higher level strategist then his father more then likely will happen. When comes to Orochimaru now and since Naruto will soon reach it end, I see ether Orochimaru succeeding taking over Sasuke body or Orochimaru disappear for good, Orochimaru returning in this war was totally random to me(I was like wtf weren't sealed away by Itachi lol) and Orochimaru I feel is out place at this point in the story. Madara really doesn't need help anyway, Madara at this point is broken meaning Madara has infinite lives and chakra similar concept to a video game with cheats codes, as for Obito I lost interest in his character with the problematics he has.

Yeah that because of Orochimaru immorality reason why he can survive reaper death seal. Reason why I think Orochimaru using reaper death seal to get his arms back as convenient is because Orochimaru could had used reaper death seal after his battle with the third, instead of going to Tsunade to heal his arms, which would make the search for Tsunade arc pointless I think.

 

[CrimsonFire]

im sure we are about to learn a bunch of stuff about all of them. i imagine they will def enter the fight and oro is going to use him to his advantage but that will give us opportunity to see what the hype is all about

Yeah me too and like I said before it all depends if Kishimoto play his cards right, ether he can pull a good hand and turn this war arc around or Kishi could pull a bad hand and all would be for nothing.

 

[saw2097]

If the Hokages are going to enter the fight, I think they will be part of a third side comprised of them and Sasuke's group. The war becomes a three way.

 

[CrimsonFire]

Because it goes against the themes of this manga of one generation surpassing the previous, also its insulting to the entire Shinobi Alliance that they need to be rescued and they sacrificed so much only to be saved by dead guys.

The four Hokages saving the day would just be a horrible way to end this war.

True

 

[Honord Sage]

The 4 Kages will see the accession of Naruto to be the next SO6P.

 

[Warrex]

Wow OP, your nailed it right on the head! XD Do you have inside info?