Revision of "levels" in Naruto

[KingHashirama]

People want to complain about Itachi and etc not being Hokage level.. well now lets look at what the real levels are.


- Hokage level : Having the power and the prowess of the weakest Hokage.... Does Itachi have that? no. Get off your fanboy minds and come to the realty. SOMEONE WITH 2.5 STAMINA IS NOT HOKAGE LEVEL.... UNDERSTAND PEOPLE. Also, to be Hokage level you have to be compared as Hokage... Naruto and Madara and Jiraiya are prime examples...


- Jounin : This level VARIES... why? because of people like Might Guy, Itachi, Kakashi and Sakumo.. Jounin level ninja can be near the strength of a Hokage level ninja..

- Chunin : Ebisu below, and Iruka high

- Genin... you already know


Here is why I did not put Itachi on the level a Hokage, (for this you will need a non-fanboy/fangirl mind, and shall need to be comprehensive):

Tsunade's prowess = Pain arc.... Would Itachi have been able to do a feat like hers? no

Minato's prowess = Kyuubi attack and Obito ..... Would Itachi have been able to deal with both threats? no

Hiruzen's prowess = In Hype Itachi's nowhere near him

Tobirama = Experience and well better fighter..

Hashirama = VOTE fight..


This is how people judge Itachi :

" Tsukuyomi = K.O" "Amaterasu = K.O"... sure its K.O when it hits.. but the key phrase is at the point it hits. Fights are dependent on Scenarios. You can make a Scenario where Tsunade trolls Itachi.. or a Scenario where Itachi trolls Hashirama. The "stronger" will be dependent on Prowess overall.

Stamina is the key thing when it comes to prowess. And Itachi simply lacks that when compared to Other Hokage.


Kakashi has copied a whole lot of Jutsu... but what good are they if he lacks chakra. Even the Current Kage who people put below Itachi have more chakra then him. High chakra is a must if you are to be a Kage..


IF YOU DO NOT LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS THEN DON'T POST..... IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS PLEASE DO.

 

[Lord of the Kings]

Hey!! What's about s-rank? Which is even higher than rating scale of ninja!>???

 

[hixa kuogame]

i think itachi isnt hokage level because of the reason you stated and all the previous hokages are stronger than him

 

[Uchihahahahaa]

Itachi is not hokage level because of his stamina? Kill yourselves

 

[Scooby Doo]

I didn't read all coz I didn't have to. Itachi soloed jounins like Kakashi and Kurenai. And Kakashi was (almost) chosen as kage . Not to mention Oro who also almost became hokage.

 

[KingHashirama]

Hey!! What's about s-rank? Which is even higher than rating scale of ninja!>???

Didn't want to post S-rank. Just focusing on Konoha ninja.

People like Kabuto/Nagato/And other Akatsuki member are excluded from this list. Simply because their levels are dependent.

Obito would be Hokage level, Pain would be Hokage level, (Maybe Kisame)... everyone else would be Jounin level.

Obito and Pain are the only Akatsuki who are portrayed as a threat to a Hokage.

i think itachi isnt hokage level because of the reason you stated and all the previous hokages are stronger than him

Thank you for understanding that.

Itachi is not hokage level because of his stamina? Kill yourselves

Simple truth hurts you? Like I said if you want to discuss it then post.. If not don't.

I didn't read all coz I didn't have to. Itachi soloed jounins like Kakashi and Kurenai. And Kakashi was (almost) chosen as kage . Not to mention Oro who also almost became hokage.

Due to being the only strong adult. But your talking about a Kakashi from part 2, who is different from Kakashi in part 1. Part 1 Kakashi errrr would've been iight. Plus, he himself stated he wasn't fit for the role, and that Tsunade's presence was more necessary as the leader of the village.

Kakashi can solo Ebisu... so Ebisu isn't jounin level?

 

[SIGFOR]

You forgot one other fanboy Itachi "reason", "Totsuka Blitz"

The Itachi fanboys make me cringe on this website.

Yes Itachi was quite strong and a proud member of the leaf village, but he will never be acknowledged by the Leaf Village which is one thing you need to be to become a Hokage. Itachi chose the Villages hatred for good reason. Even if he didn't, hes sick and would be a short Hokage reign. Don't even say "What if he wasn't sick?", too bad, Kishi made him with a deathly sickness. He will never be fine and is now dead.

 

[KingHashirama]

You forgot one other fanboy Itachi "reason", "Totsuka Blitz"

The Itachi fanboys make me cringe on this website.

Yes Itachi was quite strong and a proud member of the leaf village, but he will never be acknowledged by the Leaf Village which is one thing you need to be to become a Hokage. Itachi chose the Villages hatred for good reason. Even if he didn't, hes sick and would be a short Hokage reign. Don't even say "What if he wasn't sick?", too bad, Kishi made him with a deathly sickness. He will never be fine and is now dead.

He still wouldn't have been Hokage my good friend. The Sannin are regarded above him.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Yay! Someone with a brain!

 

[SIGFOR]

He still wouldn't have been Hokage my good friend. The Sannin are regarded above him.

Agree with you 100%

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Chunin : Ebisu

A problem with this part of the post, Ebisu is S-Jonin (special Jonin), which signifies that Ebisu is at least above Chuunin rank, but did not get his recommendation to receive Jonin rank, though still having his specialization in teaching to have the sub-rank.

 

[KingHashirama]

A problem with this part of the post, Ebisu is S-Jonin (special Jonin), which signifies that Ebisu is at least above Chuunin rank, but did not get his recommendation to receive Jonin rank, though still having his specialization in teaching to have the sub-rank.

Noo no, I wasn't calling Ebisu himself a jonin, but the people below him (who aren't in the system of course) are chunin level.

 

[Lightning Release]

Going to respectfully disagree with this.. "kage level" isn't just for the HOkage.. (yes we all know the hokage's rape any other kage's) But let's be real, Itachi can solo most of any kage from any village (Including Tsunade) .. I hate Itachi fanboys on this site because they overrate him and make me hate him, but without thinking about all that, based on feats, intelligence, and fighting skills, Itachi is a "high kage level" shinobi.

It takes more than just fighting strength to be a Hokage, Kazekage, etc..

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

People want to complain about Itachi and etc not being Hokage level.. well now lets look at what the real levels are.


- Hokage level : Having the power and the prowess of the weakest Hokage.... Does Itachi have that? no. Get off your fanboy minds and come to the realty. SOMEONE WITH 2.5 STAMINA IS NOT HOKAGE LEVEL.... UNDERSTAND PEOPLE. Also, to be Hokage level you have to be compared as Hokage... Naruto and Madara and Jiraiya are prime examples...


- Jounin : This level VARIES... why? because of people like Might Guy, Itachi, Kakashi and Sakumo.. Jounin level ninja can be near the strength of a Hokage level ninja..

- Chunin : Ebisu below, and Iruka high

- Genin... you already know


Here is why I did not put Itachi on the level a Hokage, (for this you will need a non-fanboy/fangirl mind, and shall need to be comprehensive):

Tsunade's prowess = Pain arc.... Would Itachi have been able to do a feat like hers? no

Minato's prowess = Kyuubi attack and Obito ..... Would Itachi have been able to deal with both threats? no

Hiruzen's prowess = In Hype Itachi's nowhere near him

Tobirama = Experience and well better fighter..

Hashirama = VOTE fight..


This is how people judge Itachi :

" Tsukuyomi = K.O" "Amaterasu = K.O"... sure its K.O when it hits.. but the key phrase is at the point it hits. Fights are dependent on Scenarios. You can make a Scenario where Tsunade trolls Itachi.. or a Scenario where Itachi trolls Hashirama. The "stronger" will be dependent on Prowess overall.

Stamina is the key thing when it comes to prowess. And Itachi simply lacks that when compared to Other Hokage.


Kakashi has copied a whole lot of Jutsu... but what good are they if he lacks chakra. Even the Current Kage who people put below Itachi have more chakra then him. High chakra is a must if you are to be a Kage..


IF YOU DO NOT LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS THEN DON'T POST..... IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS PLEASE DO.

Iruka is no where near high chuunin level. He has nothing but fuma shuriken wielding like it's a kunai, that's not very powerful. He's mid chuunin.

Itachi's stamina doesn't matter due to his analyzing prowess, but anyone who says hes hashirama level or hiruzen level are retards.

Jounin is the level between kage and a shinobi. Each kage is as strong as about 4 well trained jounin put together, with the exception of extremely overpowered kage such as the Third Raikage, Minato, and Hashirama.

Itachi was a chuunin, then went into anbu.

Agree with it or not, current Kakashi and Gai are indeed kage level.

 

[Arugon]

Of course he would have been a horrible Hokage!!
Could he have singlehandedly fought countless shinobi day and night in a shinobi war like Minato? HELL NO!! He would have gone blind after the first 20 shinobi, and that's being generous.

Sure, some may argue that he is a Solo King. Yea, he's great fighting one-on-one, but what good is that when you're a Hokage??

The only one-on-one, uninterrupted, Kage fight we've ever seen is Madara vs Hashi. Every other time a Kage has had to fight, they were fighting whilst protecting dozens to thousands of people simultaneously against multiple enemies. Could Itachi do that? Nope.

Sure Itachi's great in a one-on-one situation, but he is nowhere near capable of what the title of Hokage requires.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Kakashi can solo Ebisu... so Ebisu isn't jounin level?

We haven't seen anything special from Ebisu yet so I dare to say he doesn't deserve the title of jounin, as he is outclassed by chuunins.

 

[KingHashirama]

Iruka is no where near high chuunin level. He has nothing but fuma shuriken wielding like it's a kunai, that's not very powerful. He's mid chuunin.

Itachi's stamina doesn't matter due to his analyzing prowess, but anyone who says hes hashirama level or hiruzen level are retards.

Jounin is the level between kage and a shinobi. Each kage is as strong as about 4 well trained jounin put together, with the exception of extremely overpowered kage such as the Third Raikage, Minato, and Hashirama.

Itachi was a chuunin, then went into anbu.

Agree with it or not, current Kakashi and Gai are indeed kage level.

his analyzing prowess is no different then Kakashi's... well to be accurate hes under Kakashi in that category.

I never Iruka was near high chunin level.

Gai actually specifically was awed when the hokage did the barrier and specfically stated only 4 ninja of Hokage level can do that. They are high jounin level mate. Kakashi included.

Going to respectfully disagree with this.. "kage level" isn't just for the HOkage.. (yes we all know the hokage's rape any other kage's) But let's be real, Itachi can solo most of any kage from any village (Including Tsunade) .. I hate Itachi fanboys on this site because they overrate him and make me hate him, but without thinking about all that, based on feats, intelligence, and fighting skills, Itachi is a "high kage level" shinobi.

It takes more than just fighting strength to be a Hokage, Kazekage, etc..

Itach's limit was shown in the Sasuke fight.... and any other Kage can last way longer.

Dependent on the Scenario, Tsunade can mess up Itachi's MS forever. Saying his prowess is higher then the greatest medical ninja, is surely not wise.

And He has no chance against Ay, 3rd Raikage, Mei even has a stronger prowess.


The difference is your making it into a 1 vs 1. But that is not what "level" is about. Itachi can't compete with them. Tsunade vs Itachi in a stalemate.. Itachi would loose because he runs out of stamina. That my friend is the difference. Itachi cannot achieve the feats of the Hokage.

 

[FourthLegacy]

Itachi is not hokage level because of his stamina? Kill yourselves

How can he use his so called "hokage levelled techs" when he doesn't have enough chakra to even use them.

"Kill yourselves" isn't a term you should use so lightly.As some people are going through suicidal problems and you are using it so lightly.
Fix your morals please.

 

[blackstar9]

I couldnt disagree more . Itachi is obviously kage level . Anybody denying that hasnt paid attention to the manga . Your main argument is his stamina ? He doesnt really need great stamina . His technique , observation skills and smarts is what makes him op. You claim saanin are stronger . Itachi fodderized oro without his ms . Its not like itachi spams ms to even run out of chakra . Kabuto( said he is on a higher level then most shinobi ) oro who you claim is better admitted inferiority ! hiruzen said he had a mind like a kage as a kid . Sorry but the manga disagrees with you

 

[KingHashirama]

I couldnt disagree more . Itachi is obviously kage level . Anybody denying that hasnt paid attention to the manga . Your main argument is his stamina ? He doesnt really need great stamina . His technique , observation skills and smarts is what makes him op. You claim saanin are stronger . Itachi fodderized oro without his ms . Its not like itachi spams ms to even run out of chakra . Kabuto( said he is on a higher level then most shinobi ) oro who you claim is better admitted inferiority ! hiruzen said he had a mind like a kage as a kid . Sorry but the manga disagrees with you

Key word is prowess, not a 1 vs 1. Oro is more useful then Itachi. Orochimaru can outlast Itachi.....

Hiruzen said he was thinking like a Hokage as a kid.. though his actions showed he was a naive child.. and he himself admit he was a failure.

Itachi caught Orochimaru by surprise.. And your comparing a weak orochimaru....