Requirements to counter any version of Kamui [Please read first]

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys I would like to debunk idea that Kamui is unbeateable technique... it is close to it but not completly. I will try to debunk this idea with my explanations backed up with manga. Let's begin

I will make it short.. but please conside that I base this thread on my previous thread:

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1) Kamui abililty to go tangible or intangible(Obito's Kamui):

- Kamui reaction time is very fast, so you need Reaction time > Kamui's reaction time + user's reaction time
- Obito can freely switch between being intangible in one second to become tangible in next second... so you need great foot speed > Kamui's user foot speed so you get away from Kamui's range or any attack of Kamui user in time.
- Sensing ability can be very great extra ability as it allow you to track his location/position. Taking his advantage of using suprise attacks.

2) Kamui ability to wrap(Obito's Kamui/Kakashi's Kamui):

- Kamui reaction time is very fast, so you need Reaction time > Kamui's reaction time + user's reaction time
- Obito can cancel wraping quite very fast, so you have to launch long range powerfull attack in that time as Obito has to be tangible to wrap someone. Great foot speed is not essential but could be helfpull of course.
- Sensing ability could allow you to track Kamui's user location so he/she can not surprise you.

3) Kamui ability to go to another dimenssion to just appear in another place.(Obito;s Kamui and Kakashi's kamui):

- Kamui reaction time is very fast, so you need Reaction time > Kamui's reaction time + user's reaction time
- Obito can complete appearing very fast and then attack you, so you need great foot speed to get away in time from his range.

4) Kamui long range ability to wrap someone/something(Kakashi's kamui)

- Kamui reaction time is ver fast, so you need Reaction time > Kamui's reaction time + user's reaction time. In this case this extra important as it allows you get away or counter it in time or you are dead.
- Kakashi has good foot speed so you need at least a bit supperior foot speed to be able to avoid another attacks used in combination of Kamui.
- Sensing ability is very essential here, because if you sense Kakashi focusing his chakra in his eye, then you can know something is comming then react and get away or counter it.

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Summary: ​

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• To beat Obito's Kamui you need:
  
  - Supperior reaction time which is > Kamui user's reaction time + Kamui's time activation
  - foot speed which is > Kamui user's foot speed
  - great Sensing ability to keep track on Kamui's user location also being able to sense Kamui's user buidling up his chakra so you can know that something is comming...
  - Technique which can damage Kamui's user
  

Thanks for reading !
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[Xāvî1]

So in other words tobirama, BSM Naruto, Raikages, Minato can't be taken down by kamui

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

So gai speed beats every speed?

 

[Raikiri808]

So fast foot speed is the key? I dont think thats gonna help if you look at kakashi's kamui unless you can move faster than his sharingan can see you're screwd and the only people doing that are s/t users because of teleportation even the raikages movements can be seen and as far as obito's how is that gonna help hit him Naruto was faster and still couldn't land a hit on his own.

 

[warlee]

You will surely need teleportation to land a hit on a defensive kamui but the offensive kamui got many counters:- speed faster than the sharingan e.g ay, juubito, kcm naruto. Kcm minato. Teleportation:- minato, obito, tobirama. The ability to use and maintain clones for a long time/ clone feints:- itachi, sm naruto, hashirama. Or firepower:- hashirama, madara, sasuke, nagato e.t.c.

 

[Zebstrika]

How does Kamui counter this:

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Kakashi can't afford to waste chakra on sniping a clone & Obito's becomes screwed if he warps a clone and gets beaten up in the Kamui dimension.

 

[Raikiri808]

How does Kamui counter this:

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Kakashi can't afford to waste chakra on sniping a clone & Obito's becomes screwed if he warps a clone and gets beaten up in the Kamui dimension.

You know they have other jutsu besides kamui right they would just use a different jutsu in this situation probably one with a wide area of effect

 

[warlee]

One of naruto's clone is as strong as 3rd raikage. All of their other jutsu will hardly matters.