[Suggestion] [Request] Extend the 150 000 Letter Limit for threads - If Possible??

A Good and Relevant Suggestion or not??


  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .
Status
Not open for further replies.

Michael92

Legendary
Joined
Dec 3, 2009
Messages
12,968
Kin
13,725💸
Kumi
78,613💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Yes I'm serious -_-...

Okay this might sound silly, but I thought I would just throw this suggestion out there, and the question is, is it possible to extend the 150 K limit for threads? I know the limit has been raised a lot and on multiple occasions over the years (wasn't it like 30 000 once?), and I've always found that to be a good thing, but for the last year I've kind of encountered the 150 K limit message on a few of my threads (unbelievable you might say, but my signature alone should prove that this has been a problem at times for me). I know a simple answer would be to divide the thread into several posts or make more threads, but sometimes that takes away the charm of it, especially if the threads are Chapter Based. The main reason to why I ask this now is due to my latest thread which ended up needing some edits after the initial posting, only to see my changes exceeding the limit, which kind of got me stuck and annoyed being that the thread already had a few posts in it after the first post (so I couldn't really divide it in two then since that would make no sense).

Now the simple question is, can it be done? Can it even be raised further than 150 K??
Or is this just a limit that has been set thinking that no one would pass that point? :rolleyes: If that's the case, please double the amount or at least raise it to 200 000.
 

Umari Senju

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Aug 30, 2012
Messages
12,535
Kin
238💸
Kumi
96💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Yeah I think 150K is enough to get any point accross on this site unless you are looking to write and elaborate and detailed thesis on some subject. But you've seen the comments about "wall of text" and "didn't read. Too long" right?

That's probably why they don't go beyond 150K....Now if there is an outcry for it from a majority of members than admins would probably raise the number a bit.
 

Caliburn

Supreme
Joined
Apr 6, 2009
Messages
20,771
Kin
2,805💸
Kumi
525💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
I'm going to say no to this as at this point it's plainly ridiculous and that's coming from me, the one who practically invented wall posts .-.

The original character limit was 20k. Admitted we increased it a few times for selfish reasons but passing the 150k is getting preposterous. For comparison the thesis I wrote from my master's degree in history was almost 120k characters long spread over 92 pages. Sorry but going further than 150k is not even justifiable anymore and very problematic as that's a lot of data to process. I'm not in favor of increasing the limit just because you hit it with a fanfic. This is not a matter of thinking that no one would be able to hit that mark, but a matter that no one should be trying to do that.

IMO you need to learn to spread your story better as that's likewise an important ability a writer should have. That's how it works in real life. If you go to a publisher with a book that's over a 1000 pages, most will say that you will have to separate it into two or three parts and the argument that it takes away the charm is not even remotely a justified argument. If the limit is 50k you can start debating, but with 150k this is not matter anymore of having not enough space, it means you have a problem with structuring your story correctly to fit the format it appears on. People were able to make great fanfics with only 20k characters, you should have no issues then with 150k as otherwise it will just be a matter of time before you hit the 200k mark. That mark isn't just for show you know.

Well in the end it's Zise who will decide this, but I'm not in favor.
 
Last edited:
  • Haha
Reactions: Michael92

Zise

Veteran
Joined
Jan 19, 2010
Messages
4,813
Kin
150💸
Kumi
9,907💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
I don't think that is something that is really needed. The alternative might be if we can add it for the premium usergroup as a perk, but then again I really don't think this is needed, and that a post or story can be formulated or split up better to fit 150000 any day just like Caliburn said.
 
  • Wow
Reactions: Michael92

Arima

Active member
Veteran
Joined
Aug 6, 2014
Messages
2,724
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Yeah I think 150K is enough to get any point accross on this site unless you are looking to write and elaborate and detailed thesis on some subject. But you've seen the comments about "wall of text" and "didn't read. Too long" right?

That's probably why they don't go beyond 150K....Now if there is an outcry for it from a majority of members than admins would probably raise the number a bit.
Lmao, dat sig.
 

Michael92

Legendary
Joined
Dec 3, 2009
Messages
12,968
Kin
13,725💸
Kumi
78,613💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Yeah I think 150K is enough to get any point accross on this site unless you are looking to write and elaborate and detailed thesis on some subject. But you've seen the comments about "wall of text" and "didn't read. Too long" right?

That's probably why they don't go beyond 150K....Now if there is an outcry for it from a majority of members than admins would probably raise the number a bit.
It's not suppose to "get any point across," and I do suppose that for most things, getting even close to the 150 K is ridicules. That's coming from me.

And yes, but that doesn't really apply to readers that crave these big chapters =p It's hard to imagine, but there are some people I know on the Base who wants me to do 20 000 Words + chapters every time, so those TL;DR people aren't exactly one of my problems...

I'm going to say no to this as at this point it's plainly ridiculous and that's coming from me, the one who practically invented wall posts .-.

The original character limit was 20k. Admitted we increased it a few times for selfish reasons but passing the 150k is getting preposterous. For comparison the thesis I wrote from my master's degree in history was almost 120k characters long spread over 92 pages. Sorry but going further than 150k is not even justifiable anymore and very problematic as that's a lot of data to process. I'm not in favor of increasing the limit just because you hit it with a fanfic. This is not a matter of thinking that no one would be able to hit that mark, but a matter that no one should be trying to do that.

IMO you need to learn to spread your story better as that's likewise an important ability a writer should have. That's how it works in real life. If you go to a publisher with a book that's over a 1000 pages, most will say that you will have to separate it into two or three parts and the argument that it takes away the charm is not even remotely a justified argument. If the limit is 50k you can start debating, but with 150k this is not matter anymore of having not enough space, it means you have a problem with structuring your story correctly to fit the format it appears on. People were able to make great fanfics with only 20k characters, you should have no issues then with 150k as otherwise it will just be a matter of time before you hit the 200k mark. That mark isn't just for show you know.

Well in the end it's Zise who will decide this, but I'm not in favor.
Your walls of texts were beaten a long time ago Cali, just ask Sara, she can confirm it xP

On a serious note though, you strike a fair point. My point is that if it's possible without being a fuss (and since people rarely gets over that limit anyways, then a few threads in a year that would fit within a new extended limit wouldn't make much difference and be a problem, would they?), then why not?

Well for someone a book like TLoTR is way too long, while for others that's the wanted length. A work shouldn't be limited by letter limit if it's not extending just to extend which some people do This should especially not apply for a FanFic/Original Fic in most cases. I don't go around making these long threads that often, but I have indeed come across the limit a few times so I wouldn't have asked otherwise.

If there's one thing that's my priority, it's to categorize the chapters beforehand, meaning that I decide upon the scenes that the chapter will be about, and then I'll find out how big they get after I'm finished with those scenes. At times I do indeed split them up or move content, but when I have a lot of "transmission" work to do detailing a lot of explanation and different important meetings, things tend to get long some times. The reason I don't divide it up then is that it would not be justifiable to have 10 chapters with only dialogue (in an action-driven story). People would lose interest before the main action begun, so instead it's better to have all the talking in one chapter instead, even if it's bigger. That is why most of my long chapters to date are chapters that wraps up current storylines/arcs and such. I'm not writing an actual book. If I was, the structure would of course have been completely different.

Another example would be One-Shots. I did one two years ago and knew right away that I had to divide it into different post, so that wasn't a problem. Same thing could be said about the Series Finale I wrote for my Series last year, which was suppose to be a One-Time release, but there was no way I could split up a 130 000 words into one thread, so I had to divide it into parts and different threads instead, which worked both ways.

If you think about it, 20-30 000 words for a chapter/thread/work isn't that much, not from what I hear about certain writers on other forums who writes 30 000 words regularly, granted that they do mostly One-Time works.

As for chapters in the past, you are with no doubt right, but at the same time, people had to release countless more threads. I prefer to write bigger chapters and have fewer threads, which also means less frequent releases and better time for a chapter to shine. It's not like I don't know how to write short chapters, but some times longer chapters justifies the thread rather than releasing tons of threads to increase posts and reps. If I can do a story in 15 chapters rather than 50 on the Base, I'll obviously go for the first. Some people would do the other way to increase said posts, rep, chances of contesting, and so forth, but that feels cheap to me and many others too.

I have a feeling that you think my latest chapter was one of few though, but I can assure you that it's only 1 of 16 of the complete story.

The problem for me isn't writing within the limit itself, because everything I've written has fitted the limit except for the two earlier mentioned works. The problem is that the NB coding and such often times adds ridicules amounts of letters. Just adding a picture to your thread grants you 200 letters in itself most of the times. 10 pics and your already passed 2000 of those 150 K. Also, adding direct dialogues into Italic alone for a chapter that is fairly big makes things crazy. The codes adds about 20-30 000 letters each time when a thread of mine passes 100 K. Fair enough, I could make the visual look crappy, but considering that I've actually gone away from the much used "Dialogue" style, as I'm now writing in Narration" style, which means a lot by itself in decreasing letters, I would like to at least add something to spice things up. This is the first and only time in Narration style that I've ever come close to the limit. It was a whole other deal with my Dialogue Styled chapters back in the days due to all the codes...

To top things off, if you had indeed written that thesis and posted it on NB with Italic and such, you probably would have had a fair chance of exceeded the limit too. Also to be noted, Word counts differently than NB. Word counted my Chapter to have 147 000 Letters, while NB counted it to have 152 000, which by all means makes things complicated.
Also, the chapter wasn't 200 000 K letters, it simply happened to pass the limit with edits to grammar and such. If I had been 50 k letters over, I would of course have found a way to split it without doubt. I'm trying to be reasonable here despite what it may seem.

Yeah, let's hear what Zise has to say. Like I said, a no isn't that much of a deal ;)

I don't think that is something that is really needed. The alternative might be if we can add it for the premium usergroup as a perk, but then again I really don't think this is needed, and that a post or story can be formulated or split up better to fit 150000 any day just like Caliburn said.
So it can be done? :rolleyes: If it doesn't make a difference to the work rate of the Base like taking up bandwidth, then it could be done, right?

It's not really needed, but it's not like it's something that would make things bad in a sense? If it doesn't make a difference for those in question regardless, it could indeed be a beneficial perk to others.
 
Last edited:

Chibiusa

Active member
Elite
Joined
Jan 29, 2013
Messages
7,829
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Awards
You bring up many good points in your argument however, I disagree.

I actually believe we should bring that down to 100,000 except maybe in RP section.
 

Zise

Veteran
Joined
Jan 19, 2010
Messages
4,813
Kin
150💸
Kumi
9,907💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
It's not suppose to "get any point across," and I do suppose that for most things, getting even close to the 150 K is ridicules. That's coming from me.

And yes, but that doesn't really apply to readers that crave these big chapters =p It's hard to imagine, but there are some people I know on the Base who wants me to do 20 000 Words + chapters every time, so those TL;DR people aren't exactly one of my problems...



Your walls of texts were beaten a long time ago Cali, just ask Sara, she can confirm it xP

On a serious note though, you strike a fair point. My point is that if it's possible without being a fuss (and since people rarely gets over that limit anyways, then a few threads in a year that would fit within a new extended limit wouldn't make much difference and be a problem, would they?), then why not?

Well for someone a book like TLoTR is way too long, while for others that's the wanted length. A work shouldn't be limited by letter limit if it's not extending just to extend which some people do This should especially not apply for a FanFic/Original Fic in most cases. I don't go around making these long threads that often, but I have indeed come across the limit a few times so I wouldn't have asked otherwise.

If there's one thing that's my priority, it's to categorize the chapters beforehand, meaning that I decide upon the scenes that the chapter will be about, and then I'll find out how big they get after I'm finished with those scenes. At times I do indeed split them up or move content, but when I have a lot of "transmission" work to do detailing a lot of explanation and different important meetings, things tend to get long some times. The reason I don't divide it up then is that it would not be justifiable to have 10 chapters with only dialogue (in an action-driven story). People would lose interest before the main action begun, so instead it's better to have all the talking in one chapter instead, even if it's bigger. That is why most of my long chapters to date are chapters that wraps up current storylines/arcs and such. I'm not writing an actual book. If I was, the structure would of course have been completely different.

Another example would be One-Shots. I did one two years ago and knew right away that I had to divide it into different post, so that wasn't a problem. Same thing could be said about the Series Finale I wrote for my Series last year, which was suppose to be a One-Time release, but there was no way I could split up a 130 000 words into one thread, so I had to divide it into parts and different threads instead, which worked both ways.

If you think about it, 20-30 000 words for a chapter/thread/work isn't that much, not from what I hear about certain writers on other forums who writes 30 000 words regularly, granted that they do mostly One-Time works.

As for chapters in the past, you are with no doubt right, but at the same time, people had to release countless more threads. I prefer to write bigger chapters and have fewer threads, which also means less frequent releases and better time for a chapter to shine. It's not like I don't know how to write short chapters, but some times longer chapters justifies the thread rather than releasing tons of threads to increase posts and reps. If I can do a story in 15 chapters rather than 50 on the Base, I'll obviously go for the first. Some people would do the other way to increase said posts, rep, chances of contesting, and so forth, but that feels cheap to me and many others too.

I have a feeling that you think my latest chapter was one of few though, but I can assure you that it's only 1 of 16 of the complete story.

The problem for me isn't writing within the limit itself, because everything I've written has fitted the limit except for the two earlier mentioned works. The problem is that the NB coding and such often times adds ridicules amounts of letters. Just adding a picture to your thread grants you 200 letters in itself most of the times. 10 pics and your already passed 2000 of those 150 K. Also, adding direct dialogues into Italic alone for a chapter that is fairly big makes things crazy. The codes adds about 20-30 000 letters each time when a thread of mine passes 100 K. Fair enough, I could make the visual look crappy, but considering that I've actually gone away from the much used "Dialogue" style, as I'm now writing in Narration" style, which means a lot by itself in decreasing letters, I would like to at least add something to spice things up. This is the first and only time in Narration style that I've ever come close to the limit. It was a whole other deal with my Dialogue Styled chapters back in the days due to all the codes...

To top things off, if you had indeed written that thesis and posted it on NB with Italic and such, you probably would have had a fair chance of exceeded the limit too. Also to be noted, Word counts differently than NB. Word counted my Chapter to have 147 000 Letters, while NB counted it to have 152 000, which by all means makes things complicated.
Also, the chapter wasn't 200 000 K letters, it simply happened to pass the limit with edits to grammar and such. If I had been 50 k letters over, I would of course have found a way to split it without doubt. I'm trying to be reasonable here despite what it may seem.

Yeah, let's hear what Zise has to say. Like I said, a no isn't that much of a deal ;)



So it can be done? :rolleyes: If it doesn't make a difference to the work rate of the Base like taking up bandwidth, then it could be done, right?

It's not really needed, but it's not like it's something that would make things bad in a sense? If it doesn't make a difference for those in question regardless, it could indeed be a beneficial perk to others.
The issue really comes down to that a plugin is needed to set it to usergroups. So unless someone finds an already made plugin for this version of vBulletin, we are most likely not adding it to premium. However if it already exists we can add it.
 
Last edited:

Caliburn

Supreme
Joined
Apr 6, 2009
Messages
20,771
Kin
2,805💸
Kumi
525💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
It's not suppose to "get any point across," and I do suppose that for most things, getting even close to the 150 K is ridicules. That's coming from me.

And yes, but that doesn't really apply to readers that crave these big chapters =p It's hard to imagine, but there are some people I know on the Base who wants me to do 20 000 Words + chapters every time, so those TL;DR people aren't exactly one of my problems...



Your walls of texts were beaten a long time ago Cali, just ask Sara, she can confirm it xP

On a serious note though, you strike a fair point. My point is that if it's possible without being a fuss (and since people rarely gets over that limit anyways, then a few threads in a year that would fit within a new extended limit wouldn't make much difference and be a problem, would they?), then why not?

Well for someone a book like TLoTR is way too long, while for others that's the wanted length. A work shouldn't be limited by letter limit if it's not extending just to extend which some people do This should especially not apply for a FanFic/Original Fic in most cases. I don't go around making these long threads that often, but I have indeed come across the limit a few times so I wouldn't have asked otherwise.

If there's one thing that's my priority, it's to categorize the chapters beforehand, meaning that I decide upon the scenes that the chapter will be about, and then I'll find out how big they get after I'm finished with those scenes. At times I do indeed split them up or move content, but when I have a lot of "transmission" work to do detailing a lot of explanation and different important meetings, things tend to get long some times. The reason I don't divide it up then is that it would not be justifiable to have 10 chapters with only dialogue (in an action-driven story). People would lose interest before the main action begun, so instead it's better to have all the talking in one chapter instead, even if it's bigger. That is why most of my long chapters to date are chapters that wraps up current storylines/arcs and such. I'm not writing an actual book. If I was, the structure would of course have been completely different.

Another example would be One-Shots. I did one two years ago and knew right away that I had to divide it into different post, so that wasn't a problem. Same thing could be said about the Series Finale I wrote for my Series last year, which was suppose to be a One-Time release, but there was no way I could split up a 130 000 words into one thread, so I had to divide it into parts and different threads instead, which worked both ways.

If you think about it, 20-30 000 words for a chapter/thread/work isn't that much, not from what I hear about certain writers on other forums who writes 30 000 words regularly, granted that they do mostly One-Time works.

As for chapters in the past, you are with no doubt right, but at the same time, people had to release countless more threads. I prefer to write bigger chapters and have fewer threads, which also means less frequent releases and better time for a chapter to shine. It's not like I don't know how to write short chapters, but some times longer chapters justifies the thread rather than releasing tons of threads to increase posts and reps. If I can do a story in 15 chapters rather than 50 on the Base, I'll obviously go for the first. Some people would do the other way to increase said posts, rep, chances of contesting, and so forth, but that feels cheap to me and many others too.

I have a feeling that you think my latest chapter was one of few though, but I can assure you that it's only 1 of 16 of the complete story.

The problem for me isn't writing within the limit itself, because everything I've written has fitted the limit except for the two earlier mentioned works. The problem is that the NB coding and such often times adds ridicules amounts of letters. Just adding a picture to your thread grants you 200 letters in itself most of the times. 10 pics and your already passed 2000 of those 150 K. Also, adding direct dialogues into Italic alone for a chapter that is fairly big makes things crazy. The codes adds about 20-30 000 letters each time when a thread of mine passes 100 K. Fair enough, I could make the visual look crappy, but considering that I've actually gone away from the much used "Dialogue" style, as I'm now writing in Narration" style, which means a lot by itself in decreasing letters, I would like to at least add something to spice things up. This is the first and only time in Narration style that I've ever come close to the limit. It was a whole other deal with my Dialogue Styled chapters back in the days due to all the codes...

To top things off, if you had indeed written that thesis and posted it on NB with Italic and such, you probably would have had a fair chance of exceeded the limit too. Also to be noted, Word counts differently than NB. Word counted my Chapter to have 147 000 Letters, while NB counted it to have 152 000, which by all means makes things complicated.
Also, the chapter wasn't 200 000 K letters, it simply happened to pass the limit with edits to grammar and such. If I had been 50 k letters over, I would of course have found a way to split it without doubt. I'm trying to be reasonable here despite what it may seem.

Yeah, let's hear what Zise has to say. Like I said, a no isn't that much of a deal ;)



So it can be done? :rolleyes: If it doesn't make a difference to the work rate of the Base like taking up bandwidth, then it could be done, right?

It's not really needed, but it's not like it's something that would make things bad in a sense? If it doesn't make a difference for those in question regardless, it could indeed be a beneficial perk to others.
I said invented, not that they are the longest. And that only a handful of people is striking it, is likewise a problem as why putting such ridiculous limits for a handful of people? I always found 150k to be far too much. In all honesty that that limit is even that high is something you should already be glad about.

And LOTR is a bad example as Tolkien wrote the entire story and wanted it to be distributed as such, however it was denied. The publisher demanded that he separated it into parts, this is how the three parts came into existence. Only long after they eventually got merged back together in one work. Against that time it was already such a popular book they could afford it, however these are very rare exceptions. The examples of writers who had to separate their books into parts are far higher in number. This is not some subjective notion of some people being bothered by thick books, this is an objective practical issue within the publisher industry.

People could write fanfics easily with only 20k. They could do it easily with 50k and then you are hitting the mark with 150k? If you are hitting that mark, it means you're just going to go over it eventually. It does not solve the problem, it only prolongs it. With a limit of 150k the space codings and pictures take don't even matter anymore as that's how preposterous this limit already is. Or what would you have done if the limit was still 50k? Come asking if we could raise it to 200k? Probably not, you would have asked for something far less thinking that would be enough. The only reason you were able to hit the 150k mark, is because there is a 150k mark. You could only write that story of yours in the first place because that limit was so absurdly high. You will just keep going no matter the limit as then you're just going to keep adding stuff. If you are already bumping regularly the 150k limit, what is keeping you from reaching the 200k eventually?

And if I exceeded that limit with the codings in my thesis, I would have failed as at my university we not only have a minimum of characters, but also a maximum and the latter is actually more important than the first one. So I would have been forced to alter my thesis, though in that regard historical essays and fictional stories are not exactly the same thing. The reason behind that limit is that you can go on for an eternity, while you should be able to stick to the matter at hand. My point was to show how ridiculously long this 150k limit already is as codings or not, you can almost fill a 100 A4 pages with it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Michael92

Michael92

Legendary
Joined
Dec 3, 2009
Messages
12,968
Kin
13,725💸
Kumi
78,613💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
The issue really comes down to that a plugin is needed to set it to usergroups. So unless someone finds an already made plugin for this version of vBulletin, we are most likely not adding it to premium. However if it already exists we can add it.
I see... Well it was worth asking regardless ^^

I said invented, not that they are the longest. And that only a handful of people is striking it, is likewise a problem as why putting such ridiculous limits for a handful of people? I always found 150k to be far too much. In all honesty that that limit is even that high is something you should already be glad about.

And LOTR is a bad example as Tolkien wrote the entire story and wanted it to be distributed as such, however it was denied. The publisher demanded that he separated it into parts, this is how the three parts came into existence. Only long after they eventually got merged back together in one work. Against that time it was already such a popular book they could afford it, however these are very rare exceptions. The examples of writers who had to separate their books into parts are far higher in number. This is not some subjective notion of some people being bothered by thick books, this is an objective practical issue within the publisher industry.

People could write fanfics easily with only 20k. They could do it easily with 50k and then you are hitting the mark with 150k? If you are hitting that mark, it means you're just going to go over it eventually. It does not solve the problem, it only prolongs it. With a limit of 150k the space codings and pictures take don't even matter anymore as that's how preposterous this limit already is. Or what would you have done if the limit was still 50k? Come asking if we could raise it to 200k? Probably not, you would have asked for something far less thinking that would be enough. The only reason you were able to hit the 150k mark, is because there is a 150k mark. You could only write that story of yours in the first place because that limit was so absurdly high. You will just keep going no matter the limit as then you're just going to keep adding stuff. If you are already bumping regularly the 150k limit, what is keeping you from reaching the 200k eventually?

And if I exceeded that limit with the codings in my thesis, I would have failed as at my university we not only have a minimum of characters, but also a maximum and the latter is actually more important than the first one. So I would have been forced to alter my thesis, though in that regard historical essays and fictional stories are not exactly the same thing. The reason behind that limit is that you can go on for an eternity, while you should be able to stick to the matter at hand. My point was to show how ridiculously long this 150k limit already is as codings or not, you can almost fill a 100 A4 pages with it.
There was a time they used to be :rolleyes: And I am glad, don't mistake me. This is after all a "simple" request.

Damn I like your way of arguing in your favor, let me toss that out at first. But here's the main difference I feel I can put out to you that would make sense. It's not an entire book I've written, which would have had an entirely different plot-line justifying to split it up at a halfway-mark, this is just a chapter. And like I said, it's only the 1st time I've encountered the limit since I went narration style. The reason I hit it with almost all 6 parts of my Series Finale last year, is because I wrote the whole god damn thing as a book, and then tried to figure out how to divide it. I even said back then that I could just cut the "Series Finale" aspect of it and go for 15 chapters instead, but I wouldn't do that. So yeah, I managed to divide it in 6 without much of a problem, but of course there weren't exactly many "cliffhanger" points to divide them into accordingly being that it wasn't a chapter-based story.

Oh and regarding the new limit. I never thought about the limits in the past because I didn't know of them. I hit the 30 K I believe once and just decided to divide the chap into two posts in that thread because there weren't any other way to do it. Then later I realized that the limit had been extended but I had no idea how much so I kept about writing the way I do, with everything planned beforehand with only the fleshing out to do. Like I said, I mark the chapters by notes so that I know what they will be about before I get to them. Anyways, I only much later discovered the 150 K limit. That's right, it wasn't something I knew of before hand. This only happened at my 48th chapter release or so, and the reason I was able to do it was because I was wrapping up an entire war and felt like having that chapter mark the end of that arc so I could start something else afterwards. It was only after I realized how big it would be that I started thinking of Roku's Bleach Movie and started comparing it with his. I found out that I had almost rivaled it in size so I figured I would invent some extra scenes for the heck of it. That was when I first encountered the limit, but I easily just decided to make two posts out of it (it ended up on 180 K letters, granted that about 50 per cent of that was NB codes due to it being a Dialogue written chapter). Forward until my own One-Shot a year later and I was already aware of the limit so I already then decided to make more posts of it within the thread like Roku had done for his One-Shot back then.

My point is, it's not a problem that all my chapters exceeds this limit, that would be ridicules indeed. I just found it intriguing enough to ask if it could be extended after encountering it again just now. It has only been annoying me on the occasions of my Series Finale (trying to decide when to make the cliffhanger for one of the Parts that kept exceeding it) and now after I initially had released this latest chapter of mine, going back to make some fixes. I'm approaching the end of my writing on the Base and already swore to shorter chapter releases after I went Narrative writing (which to be frank frustrated a lot of readers, especially Trea xP), so this is the first time in a year that I decided to reward my readers after a 3 months' hiatus making this a grand and big one on purpose. Just by looking at the chapter, I don't find it that big at all, but I suppose the reason to this is that I look at the whole picture of the story rather than on the chapter itself being that it only contains 4 scenes in total.

To be fair, I don't think I'll ever write a chapter again that exceeds 20 K words, but you might never now. I believed it to be an easy fix to just throw in a new limit before I made this thread, since it has been raised so many times before and that it would only require a simple yes or no. But your way of using arguments have indeed inspired me =p As for the "easily" write threads with 20 k letters, people can still do that today. There are people who are gunning for 200 chapters. Like I said, the reason I don't do that is because it feels cheap to release chapters with 500 words. It wouldn't be justifiable. That way, anyone would reach "Legend" in "Thanks" alone. Plus, regular short releases tend to have people skipping the commenting part which also completely ruins the point.

I think you are focusing too much on the letter limit. The fact alone that my chapter of 180 k letters "only" have 25 k words while my new one of 150 k letters have 26 k words somehow proves that. That is why I don't count by letters while writing although I do realize it would be impossible to put a limit on a thread otherwise. For a "respectable" writer on the net (not just NB), a chapter should go between 10-20 K words. SO my question is, if I hit the 150 k limit with something that went "only" 6 k words over that zone, then yeah... It's probably possible to make a thread with 70 000 words and be within the 150 limit if all the words you use are I's...

There is in fact something called; National Novel Writing Month which takes place annual in the month of November world-wide (have yet to participate but I will try). Here's a sum up:

"National Novel Writing Month (NaNoWriMo) is a fun, seat-of-your-pants approach to creative writing. On November 1, participants begin working towards the goal of writing a 50,000-word novel by 11:59 PM on November 30."

This can be the start of your novel, or if you have something short in mind, this can be it. The 50 K Words is twice the size of my latest chapter, which took me a month to do. In Nov. I'm expected to double that. How many letters is 50 K words? If I just multiply my latest chapter with 2, I would exceed 300 000 letters. To add to that, the Series Finale I wrote last year (which I first intended to be a one-time thing like I mentioned), ended up on 132 000 words and 717 000 Letters. That's before adding a single NB code to it, which probably extends it to the 1 million letters region.

So yeah, I can't deny that I'm a passionate writer, but stating that I will eventually go over a new limit is merely speculation and can't be considered as an argument. It's not like it was I who asked for any of the other 3 or so previous extensions, was it?

Anyways, taking into the consideration that this was just a Series Finale to an already 57 chapters long series that went over 5 years, how many words and letters were there in total? Dunno. And still this was just a FanFic, a small potion of my planned Shared Universe work on the Base. Your lines of: "So I would have been forced to alter my thesis, though in that regard historical essays and fictional stories are not exactly the same thing," should signify that you do understand my point of view.

For your information, the complete book of The Lord of the Rings contains 481 103 words (with each of them separately ranging from 140-187 000 words!) How many letters would that be in total? Probably far over 3 million :rolleyes:
Even I understand that dividing things is much needed at times, but I am not writing a book after all, and 150 K letters is not that big for writing in general. Everything else like Predictions and Discussions might never reach those numbers in a single post however, but that is not the point either. The only thing comparable that I can think of is perhaps Bios in the RP section, so looking at this with the view of anything else is wrong. In that case, 150 K is humongous, which for a writer, it is not. I hope you find this argumentation as interesting as I find yours, despite the fact that Zise basically already confirmed that it will not happen with his post.

Edit:

To conclude my argumentation... This review just came in for that "preposterous big" chapter:



If that alone doesn't justify what I'm doing with such big chapters, then I don't know what ever will. No way in hell would I receive such reviews (like I sometimes do) for doing the "easy" 20 K letters chapters, not for the past 5 years at least (granted that people/readers were actually dedicated with their full-fledged reviews back in 2010 and before that on the Base).
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top