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So many low-income females bringing children into this challenging world. Yeah, some of the blame goes to the dudes who selfishly don’t pull out and then disappear. But it’s more of the female’s fault for naively trusting the dude.

It’s my opinion that only the middle and upper class should breed.

Go to any “Rich kids of Instagram and/or Snapchat” video on YouTube. Scroll down to the comment section to read a lot of comments from butthurt poor people. Why are they mad at and jealous of rich kids? THEIR PARENTS WERE MATURE AND RESPONSIBLE FOR HAVING THEM WHILST HAVING FINANCIAL SECURITY.

The only case I can think of when it’s not morally wrong for a low-income female to have a child is if she was impregnated via rape and still wants to give birth to the child.

Hell, even stray dogs and cats are guilty of this. Many stray, helpless female dogs and cats get knocked up and give birth to stray, helpless puppies and kittens. But humans should obviously have more sense than them.
I didn't read a post more fascist than this on NB until now...You take things out of society and put poverty at the worst thing for mankind. The humanity problem is elsewhere.
I don't find logic, common sense and scientific base to your words -_-
 

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I didn't read a post more fascist than this on NB until now...You take things out of society and put poverty at the worst thing for mankind. The humanity problem is elsewhere.
I don't find logic, common sense and scientific base to your words -_-
Yeah, his post is pretty much just a selfish desire...

that sums it up.So awful.

He really sounds like some stuck up ,privilidged,whiney, "I want it my way", type of kid.
 
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Stop having a shitton of kids when ur piss poor lol, it isnt helping anyone, ur just setting up a bunch of innocent kids for a shitty life.

Having kids is fine despite if ur upper, middle or lower class, but having an irresponsible amount of them that u cant afford to raise in normal or even minimal conditions is just dumb and cruel to the poor kids.
 

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This effect is mediated by cognitive ability and trait impulsivity and income, in and of itself, has little to nothing to do with responsibility.

Generally those with less cognitive ability and the ability to delay gratification (the two are correlated, and probably in a causal way) do not think much about abstractions like the details and demands of raising children in the abstract future - they are creatures of the present and gravitate toward what makes them feel good in the moment.

The big picture is this problem is propped up by the welfare state which not only supports dysfunctional and dysgenic breeding patterns but even incentivises it through the single mother welfare supported lifestyle that many of these women choose to live.

The solution is to mandate sterilization after the first child for women who are either themselves chronically dependant on welfare or whose partner/husband is chronically dependant on welfare. But of course only a Nazi would suggest such a thing and so the welfare system will breed itself into destruction via the highly dysgenic breeding patterns it brings about.
Yes, because living on welfare is such a prestigious lifestyle that people choose to live.

Do you ever actually think before you talk?

@Bold: I really don't know what to say to that. That is your grand solution? You seriously can't conceive of any other factors which might affect low-income birth rates? Are you really that oblivious to how the world works?

For someone who constantly talks about the threat of Muslims and Sharia, you sure do like proposing equally extremist actions.
 
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Some of this shit that people posted are the reason why I've lost faith in humanity.

The dumbest shit I have ever read.

"Oh! You're poor, so you shouldn't be allowed to start a family of your own."

Smfh! :lmao:
 

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Stop having a shitton of kids when ur piss poor lol, it isnt helping anyone, ur just setting up a bunch of innocent kids for a shitty life.

Having kids is fine despite if ur upper, middle or lower class, but having an irresponsible amount of them that u cant afford to raise in normal or even minimal conditions is just dumb and cruel to the poor kids.
In reality, that's how it is. The middle to upper class families act like they're too good to have kids early, or too many. Upper class families typically have kids during their 30s, when they're established/stable. Lower class families typically don't care, have nothing to lose, and have nothing better to do, cause they don't have anything else to preoccupy them.Let's keep in mind, not everyone has dreams, privileges, or has something that they wanna do in the future. They just live day by day, no ambition, no bigger goals.Being a doctor, lawyer, scientist...yatta yatta...is of no interest, cause they couldn't care less.Some of these jobs are about power and control. So many factors preventing them from wanting to achieve higher goals...or just a personal disinterest for these stereotypical jobs.THe rich, have less kids, because of their circumstances...as well as the poor having more kids, because of their circumstances. It's all just predispositions.Can't blame anybody.

People are different, and that dream they sell to you, as a kid, isn't an interest for everyone.Everyone isn't interested in those big time, high-stress jobs...or has the mental capacity or patience, especially if they come from a very dysfunctional family.They want something simple, comprehensible, and there's nothing wrong with that...unless you're purposefully short-changing yourself, rather than being just incapable.But, I gotta say...these low paying jobs, even if they're simple, are still pretty crap...still pretty retarded.Got to admit this. And people from lower income families have more material values.They have low standards, but will do anything for money, just not the college BS.They pretty much just live for material gain, don't really care for a great/meaningful job, just want the money...and you have higher class people who are like that, as well. "Selling their soul to the devil".

...you just make it how you make, in whatever way possible.
 
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Some of this shit that people posted are the reason why I've lost faith in humanity.

The dumbest shit I have ever read.

"Oh! You're poor, so you shouldn't be allowed to start a family of your own."

Smfh! :lmao:
Seriously.

And then they cry about being labelled as fascist when they propose to sterilize poor people for having children. I can't imagine why?
 

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High income people have greater ease of access to things like birth control. Generally they'll value economic aspects of life more than the ability to have children, so they're not having *** as often. It's not sensible to think that most low income families would willingly rear a child when their financial situation can't accommodate for it, its an accident more often than not. There are some who claim welfare benefits from having kids...but I'm not sure how effective that is. People coming from low income families don't have access to the same things as high income people, e.g. a good education and the skills to take care of themselves. They can't afford the same privileges and leisure as high income people, so its natural that *** is something they resort to. But where their low income really hurts is their inability to afford birth control.
 

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High income people have greater ease of access to things like birth control. Generally they'll value economic aspects of life more than the ability to have children, so they're not having *** as often. It's not sensible to think that most low income families would willingly rear a child when their financial situation can't accommodate for it, its an accident more often than not. There are some who claim welfare benefits from having kids...but I'm not sure how effective that is. People coming from low income families don't have access to the same things as high income people, e.g. a good education and the skills to take care of themselves. They can't afford the same privileges and leisure as high income people, so its natural that *** is something they resort to. But where their low income really hurts is their inability to afford birth control.
Are those actual observations, or just straight up stereotypes gathered from other posts or preconceived ideas?

I honestly don't think you actually know what you're talking about...

You don't even know how welfare actually works, or aware that there are people who know how to cheat the system.You don't know, all you know are these repeated stereotypes.
 

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Are those actual observations, or just straight up stereotypes gathered from other posts or preconceived ideas?

I honestly don't think you actually know what you're talking about...

You don't even know how welfare actually works, or aware that there are people who know how to cheat the system.You don't know, all you know are these repeated stereotypes.
Its...logical conclusions based on data and fact? Ever heard of extrapolation? Why are you trying to incite a discussion where our basic idea is the same? If you want to satisfy your evidently uncontrollable urge to further fuel your retarded ego and ideas, take it somewhere else.
 
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In reality, that's how it is. The middle to upper class families act like they're too good to have kids early, or too many. Upper class families typically have kids during their 30s, when they're established/stable. Lower class families typically don't care, have nothing to lose, and have nothing better to do, cause they don't have anything else to preoccupy them.Let's keep in mind, not everyone has dreams, privileges, or has something that they wanna do in the future. They just live day by day, no ambition, no bigger goals.Being a doctor, lawyer, scientist...yatta yatta...is of no interest, cause they couldn't care less.Some of these jobs are about power and control. So many factors preventing them from wanting to achieve higher goals...or just a personal disinterest for these stereotypical jobs.THe rich, have less kids, because of their circumstances...as well as the poor having more kids, because of their circumstances. It's all just predispositions.Can't blame anybody.

People are different, and that dream they sell to you, as a kid, isn't an interest for everyone.Everyone isn't interested in those big time, high-stress jobs...or has the mental capacity or patience, especially if they come from a very dysfunctional family.They want something simple, comprehensible, and there's nothing wrong with that...unless you're purposefully short-changing yourself, rather than being just incapable.But, I gotta say...these low paying jobs, even if they're simple, are still pretty crap...still pretty retarded.Got to admit this. And people from lower income families have more material values.They have low standards, but will do anything for money, just not the college BS.They pretty much just live for material gain, don't really care for a great/meaningful job, just want the money...and you have higher class people who are like that, as well. "Selling their soul to the devil".

...you just make it how you make, in whatever way possible.
Are those actual observations, or just straight up stereotypes gathered from other posts or preconceived ideas?

I honestly don't think you actually know what you're talking about...

You don't even know any statistics or data to support you claims, or aware that welfare fraud occurs less than 10% of the time in the entire program. You don't know, all you know are these repeated stereotypes.
 

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this is uncharacteristically funny after watching what happened to monday lol
Haha yeah, that’s a great movie. Best Netflix original movie yet imo
The low income jobs still need to be done.
I can’t argue with that, admittedly.
This effect is mediated by cognitive ability and trait impulsivity and income, in and of itself, has little to nothing to do with responsibility.

Generally those with less cognitive ability and the ability to delay gratification (the two are correlated, and probably in a causal way) do not think much about abstractions like the details and demands of raising children in the abstract future - they are creatures of the present and gravitate toward what makes them feel good in the moment.

The big picture is this problem is propped up by the welfare state which not only supports dysfunctional and dysgenic breeding patterns but even incentivises it through the single mother welfare supported lifestyle that many of these women choose to live.

The solution is to mandate sterilization after the first child for women who are either themselves chronically dependant on welfare or whose partner/husband is chronically dependant on welfare. But of course only a Nazi would suggest such a thing and so the welfare system will breed itself into destruction via the highly dysgenic breeding patterns it brings about.
Of course the government would be going too far if it were to force sterilization. I just wish people were responsible enough to not conceive children when poor.
just wanted to say "pulling out" is a ****ing stupid concept, and does NOT prevent pregnancy, and the more people you tell this to, the less babies poor people will have. Precum (Which nearly 100% of men make) is enough to occasionally impregnate a woman.

occasionally means it'll happen. And if millions of stupid men who have *** without even understanding their bodies do this, it adds up, and a lot of babies are born into the world with irresponsible, uneducated parents, who will perpetuate that cycle when they get older.

#1 best thing for the world would be if people stopped hoeing around, but if they insist on leading unsafe, irresponsible, inefficient lifestyles, the least they can do is use birth control and a condom, so at least no poor children are born into the shit.

For extra info for those interested...

"A perfect pull out results in a 4/100 chance of pregnancy, but studies show perfect pull outs are unrealistically rare and almost every example of pulling out during *** is imperfect. Realistically, accounting for the average ability to pull out, the pull out method results in 22/100 chance of pregnancy."

So the pull out method has at BEST a 4% chance of pregnancy. For reference, that means having *** 10 times a year makes you about a coin flip away from a child.

Realistically, you'll have a 22% chance, which means if you have *** just 5 times a year, you are almost guaranteed a baby.

Don't know about you folds, but I do it a lot more than 5 or 10 times a year, so consider your choices. Birth control lowers this chance significantly, but you still risk STDs, and the chance she has misunderstood the effectiveness/timezone of her medication, or she could lie about it, or even simply forget.

Use a damn condom please. You'll thank me.
True. I’m aware of precum. It only takes a singe sperm to impregnate a female.

Condoms do suck big time. But I agree that more guys should wear ‘em instead of going with the pull out method.

Totally agree, but it’s a lost cause. Teen girls are probably the most guilty of getting knocked
Some of this shit that people posted are the reason why I've lost faith in humanity.

The dumbest shit I have ever read.

"Oh! You're poor, so you shouldn't be allowed to start a family of your own."

Smfh! :lmao:
I didn’t say that they shouldn’t be ALLOWED to start a family. I’m just saying that they shouldn’t choose to. Big difference.
 
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We all know poverty tends to exist in a cycle; kids are born to poor parents who grow up poor, and have poor kids who grow up poor, and have poor kids etc. Kids born into poverty generally don't have the resources alone to break out of poverty, whether they be financial opportunities, education, familial stability, communal, social etc. So most people are born into certain situations and have no control over all the factors in their life, but there are enough factors within people's control that make them capable of break the cycle poverty, not always to break themselves out of poverty, but to guarantee that their children, and their children's children will not be born into poverty and have a better economic starting point for life.


I believe simply with the correct guidance and proper knowledge, that, even with a lack of resources, people born into poverty can break the cycle. I speak from experience; my parents are first generation immigrants from Hispaniola, who came into this country with literally nothing, but eventually worked their way up to middle class. Mind you, they started from zero; they had to deal with language and cultural barriers, awful housing, underpaying jobs, lack of standardized education, and a whole host of other bullshit I don't want to get into right now, but within a matter of around 14 years they went from lower class, to middle class. And now I'm going to be the first person in my family to go to college and get a degree, which will only launch me further up the economic ladder, and provide a better starting point for my kids.


My parents only relied on making good life decisions, maintaining a stable family, and applying themselves to getting an education in order to get good jobs, and I think it was their knowledge and culture from the Caribbean that made them so successful. From my perspective, I don't see how you can end up being poor if you have the economic opportunities. So, I think it's a matter educating those in poverty and equipping them with the knowledge to break the cycle of poverty. Basic things like, not having children before marriage or being financially stable, acquiring a high school diploma, how to be responsible with your money, building credit early, avoid drugs, etc. really go along way in breaking the cycle of poverty.

This doesn't really cover those who don't have economic opportunities though, it doesn't matter well prepared you are to climb the economic ladder if you don't have an economic ladder to climb. Hence why my parents saved up enough money to apply for residency and left an entire country. I'd imagine it's much easier leaving a ghetto, or moving to the town over.
 
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So many low-income females bringing children into this challenging world. Yeah, some of the blame goes to the dudes who selfishly don’t pull out and then disappear. But it’s more of the female’s fault for naively trusting the dude.

It’s my opinion that only the middle and upper class should breed.

Go to any “Rich kids of Instagram and/or Snapchat” video on YouTube. Scroll down to the comment section to read a lot of comments from butthurt poor people. Why are they mad at and jealous of rich kids? THEIR PARENTS WERE MATURE AND RESPONSIBLE FOR HAVING THEM WHILST HAVING FINANCIAL SECURITY.

The only case I can think of when it’s not morally wrong for a low-income female to have a child is if she was impregnated via rape and still wants to give birth to the child.

Hell, even stray dogs and cats are guilty of this. Many stray, helpless female dogs and cats get knocked up and give birth to stray, helpless puppies and kittens. But humans should obviously have more sense than them.
You do know that you can slip into poverty from losing your job and losing the money you saved up from not being able to secure another job? Your spouse could commit suicide or die in a car crash, you can get fired for whatever reason etc.

The job market can be harsh on adults. I know from experience it's usually not what you know but who you know that let's you secure middle class jobs. So essentially, adulthood is basically high school all over again except that you're on your own which is how it should not be.
 

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Unrealistic :lmao:

Does it make you feel big to act like a self-righteous, little turd in every thread, RN?
That's clearly your opinion of me.

You clearly have an inferiority complex, just like the rest of those instigators.Clearly you just weren't prepared for my comment, so you just couldn't help but to display how low your self-esteem is.At least I can keep tact. I have a lot to say, about a lot of you. So however you feel about me, I've got tons of things to say to you in return.So let me know when you're ready.

...poor excuse for a human being talking about how he's lost faith in humanity...on almost every thread.You and lightbringer are such instigators and sore losers...just look at you.

Jstar, just about every post you make on a thread shows how insecure and unprepared you are, for reality. Perhaps that's what this "i've lost faith in humanity" is about...it's a relfection of you...how much security and reality you lack.You're the weakest link.

You have so much STRADDLE and self-importance in you, that you have to write in larger text and a different font, JUST so you'll stand out, so someone will notice you...you aren't good enough.

Y'all are such pompous queer debater "besties"
 
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Are those actual observations, or just straight up stereotypes gathered from other posts or preconceived ideas?

I honestly don't think you actually know what you're talking about...

You don't even know any statistics or data to support you claims, or aware that welfare fraud occurs less than 10% of the time in the entire program. You don't know, all you know are these repeated stereotypes.
You're so pompous.

You try your DAMNED hardest, to try and contradict me.God, you're so jealous and you secretly seek vengeance....and to trap me in an argument.

Such a know it all, and such a wannabe.You're NOT good enough. "welfare fraud occurs less than 10% of the time in the entire program"...that's what you've READ from some site, my boy.From what I know, from people that I do know, people know exactly how to beat the system.You DON'T know.So ****ing unorginal...and stop patrolling my posts, god you have an inferiority complex...you and your little "white priviledged" information.

You think you can just read something, and then immediately think you have the answer. Such a privileged little boy.

You're act so...inferior, my god...and the grandiosity you display whenever you THINK you've made a point, you need some serious help. Too much lack of security, and you spend entirely too much time trying to validate yourself. Get a life, get some better priorities...other than trying to put on show, all the time, giving information for control and manipulation purposes.

And on top of that, you love to show favoritism...you are incredibly elementary.
 
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