Rennigan Sasuke stronger?? Oh please

[Warlocks]

Rinnagan>dms

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

It's because Sasuke has a portal space-time technique and amenotejakra that can keep up with kamui and Kaguya's Amenominaka.
And his six path power is superior because of his rinnegan. His mokuton and katon are not stronger than amatersu the strongest fire style in the series because it burns forest and fire itself.
The only thing he has is experience and tactics really.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Sasuke caught danzu in Genjutsu when he was still covering shisui eye and there is no explicit proof that he can see through his arm sharingans or use it as a regularly implanted sharingan .sasuke put itachi in Genjutsu to free him from kabuto's Genjutsu unless you think itachi can catch a uchiha with ems in Genjutsu .as for hebi sasuke and tsukuyomi part ,tsukuyomi requiring the same blood to break is a special property for it .it doesn't apply to any ms Genjutsu or even rinnigan Genjutsu .
Immobilizing(not fully controlling)9 bijus with ginjtsu isnt that impressive considering that 14 years old obito fully controlled Full kuarma (who is comprabl to all biju combined in power ) with just 3T sharingan .
Madara and Naruto could properly react physically .that doesn't mean obito can't react mentally and activate intangibility .

The genjutsu argument doesn't need to be this long, Obito cannot break a genjutsu from a rinnegan, unless he has a rinnegan , Sasuke had shown ability to break MS genjutsu and is Immune to rinnegan genjutsu (IT).

Madara and Naruto aren't able to react to ameno at all.

Madara got played by Ameno twice and even got beicected by Sasuke by pure foot speed and Naruto isn't different as he got electrocuted by chidori, but he has better reflexes than Madara that's why he didn't get fully stabbed.

The argument of him reacting mentally isn't valid As Minato is able to tag him.

Minato couldn't tag Madara but Sasuke did, do the math obito will get beicected before he can say hi.

 

[BlacLord™]

His own? Then why was he able to do it when Obito entered him? Why not before?

Yes.

Because only then did he have DMS.

 

[123fire]

You need two of the eyes to activate susanoo

Are u trolling

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

Are u trolling

Well to be frank you need to have a mastery of both eyes abilities before awakening susanoo, Kakashi was able to do it because he master kami and reverse kami obito was only shown using the reverse kami(warping his body/objects into another dimension) sasuke wasn't shown with susanoo until five Kate summit before that fought with bee and testing the two eye abilities before ever using susanoo . Itachi left eye was genjustsu and his right was fire style while the third ability is focused with both eyes. Yes I know madara was able to do it with no eyes when he came back to the living but he had all ready master both eyes techniques and had the first hokage cells. summoning susanoo is more of a battle avatar only unlock able after mastering the left and right MS.

 

[Eng nawashi]

The genjutsu argument doesn't need to be this long, Obito cannot break a genjutsu from a rinnegan, unless he has a rinnegan , Sasuke had shown ability to break MS genjutsu and is Immune to rinnegan genjutsu (IT).

Concession accepted .
After you failed to bring sasuke's ginjutsu feats which puts him in a place where he can catch MS user with ginjutsu ,you now state it like you are kishi expecting me to agree .

Madara and Naruto aren't able to react to ameno at all.
Madara got played by Ameno twice and even got beicected by Sasuke by pure foot speed and Naruto isn't different as he got electrocuted by chidori, but he has better reflexes than Madara that's why he didn't get fully stabbed.

Go read manga .Naruto did reacted mentally and even physically but his physical reaction wasn't good enough .Madara reacted mentally too but physical reaction wasn't an option anyway since Naruto and sasuke teleported at his both sides leaving little to no space for him to evade .even black zetsu reacted mentally to Sasuke's teleportation and caught him with transforming madara's hair .

The argument of him reacting mentally isn't valid As Minato is able to tag him.Minato couldn't tag Madara but Sasuke did, do the math obito will get beicected before he can say hi.

Mentioning minato again when we are talking about Adult DMS obito buffed with rikudo chakra is a concession on your part .

 

[Da Best Ever]

Obito has genjutsu too , he used it on Konan . Plus Obito can kamui sasuke before moving a muscle

Rinne genjutsu › ms genjutsu so Obito loses neg diff

 

[Eng nawashi]

All obito needs to do is activating intangibility mode and keep attempting to snipe Sasuke's head till he runs out of available amino before cool down period ,then one shots him with kamui .

 

[Da Best Ever]

Concession accepted .
After you failed to bring sasuke's ginjutsu feats which puts him in a place where he can catch MS user with ginjutsu ,you now state it like you are kishi expecting me to agree .


Go read manga .Naruto did reacted mentally and even physically but his physical reaction wasn't good enough .Madara reacted mentally too but physical reaction wasn't an option anyway since Naruto and sasuke teleported at his both sides leaving little to no space for him to evade .even black zetsu reacted mentally to Sasuke's teleportation and caught him with transforming madara's hair .


Mentioning minato again when we are talking about Adult DMS obito buffed with rikudo chakra is a concession on your part .

Fthe argument ends wuth genjutsu... Rinne genjutsu › ms genjutsu...

Thats a manga fact... Even sasuke's ms genjutsu › Obito's ms genjutsu... Sasuke caught killer bee in genjutsu a perfect jin the perfect jin the original perfect jin while Obito put konan in genjutsu

Kater sasuke has supress kyuubi with genjutsu, controlled manda, calmed senjutsu in juugo which us what makes him and his clan go berserk and placed all9 bijuu in a genjutsu instantly with a glanced that amazed hagoromo and placed sakura under genjutsu which knocked her out and she is the second best chakra control or mastery behind naruto in the manga...

 

[ANiMUS]

All obito needs to do is activating intangibility mode and keep attempting to snipe Sasuke's head till he runs out of available amino before cool down period ,then one shots him with kamui .

Except Sasuke can invade Kamui dimension where phasing doesn't work. Even sending a clone there would be enough

 

[HENI]

Obito is stronger than Sasuke

 

[Prince Badman]

According to my thread:

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Rennigan Sasuke had more votes . People actually think Rennigan Sasuke can beat Obito with 2 mangekyou sharingan -_-

First Obito with 2 mangekyou sharingan has
Susano(Kakashi's susano was his)
He had a faster kamui
Obito still has mokuton
He has new jutsus like Kamui shuriken
His susano can fly
Can phase through Objects

Rennigan sasuke:
Teleports only

I don't know why members here think Rennigan sasuke is stronger it doesn't make sense , we saw from the manga how strong was Obito DMS , Obito can kamui sasuke in an instant and kill him off with susano in the other dimension .

Even if Sasuke used Amaterasu Obito can counter it with Kamui like he did in the manga as tobi.
The sheer speed of Kamui solos Sasuke

Obito with a vast amount of chakra can do a giant fire style jutsu . Like the Bakugo Ranbo but with both mangekyou

DMS Obtio>>>>Rennigan Sasuke------> FACT

Dude you just noted down one of rinnegan abilities....what about the rest and what about his EMS abilities...Sasuke's susanoo can fly too....fire style is one of Sasuke's basic ability he has got enton which is the highest level of fire style...his amaterasu can easily overcome any of the firestyle Obito throws at him(watch Itachi vs Sasuke again to see what i am saying).....Also Sasuke's rinnegan allows him to travel dimensions which is a counter to Kamui in itself........And what you said about Obito having a vast amount of chakra is only a speculation he isn't a jubi jin then he has got normal chakra levels. Also as Kakashi noted that his DMS was stronger because of the rikudo chakra now that is a point i never understood. Because Obito was dead and then chkra transfer happened it was rikudo chakra or Obito still possessed some of rikudo chakra....so Sasuke with all his rinnegan tech can counter Kamui's phasing just like konan did

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Concession accepted .
After you failed to bring sasuke's ginjutsu feats which puts him in a place where he can catch MS user with ginjutsu ,you now state it like you are kishi expecting me to agree .

lol dafuq u smoking?

I just told you that's Sasuke put Itachi and Danzo in genjutsu(Danzou can still use his Mangekyou when it's under bandages as ge used KA) and the burden of proof is on you considering obito has no feats of resistance to rinnegan genjutsu.


Go read manga .Naruto did reacted mentally and even physically but his physical reaction wasn't good enough .Madara reacted mentally too but physical reaction wasn't an option anyway since Naruto and sasuke teleported at his both sides leaving little to no space for him to evade .even black zetsu reacted mentally to Sasuke's teleportation and caught him with transforming madara's hair .
It's because Madara and Naruto have super SM reflexes and sensing both which obito doesn't have

Mentioning minato again when we are talking about Adult DMS obito buffed with rikudo chakra is a concession on your part .
You're speaking as if Adult obito has better Reflexes than Naruto and Madara when even as a juubi jin he was taken off guard by FTG many times regardless of his inability to use kamui.

@bold.

Concession my ass, I'm not even debating I'm just showing some common sense.

 

[Tyris]

obitard is gaabage tho

 

[Eng nawashi]

Fthe argument ends wuth genjutsu... Rinne genjutsu › ms genjutsu...

But that doesn't prove that it cant countered by MS Genjutsu
-3T ginjutsu >regular eye's non existant ginjutsu yet ,Diedra's regular trained eye could see through 3T Sasuke's Genjutsu .
-MS ginjtsu>3T ginjtsu yet ,3T Genjutsu can counter regular MS Genjutsu .
-9T Rinnigan >6 T rinnigan yet Sasuke countered 9T rin's IT with his inferior Rinnegan .
This three examples on inferior eyes's countering the Genjutsu of superior eyes should show you that you can't prove that rin sasuke can Genjutsu ms user through superior eye and inferior eye argument .

Thats a manga fact... Even sasuke's ms genjutsu › Obito's ms genjutsu... Sasuke caught killer bee in genjutsu a perfect jin the perfect jin the original perfect jin while Obito put konan in genjutsu

Kater sasuke has supress kyuubi with genjutsu, controlled manda, calmed senjutsu in juugo which us what makes him and his clan go berserk and placed all9 bijuu in a genjutsu instantly with a glanced that amazed hagoromo and placed sakura under genjutsu which knocked her out and she is the second best chakra control or mastery behind naruto in the manga...

Lol what!!? Obito fully controlled full kuarma ,and fully controlled perfect jin for years without anyone noticing .sasuke never controlled perfect jin ,bee broke Sasuke's ginjtsu ,Sasuke's best feats is controlling manda, who is nothing compared to full kuarma ,and ressisting small portion of kuarma chakra ,obito Genjutsu is obviously stronger than ms sasuke Genjutsu .

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

If the majority holds a certain opinion, that does not make the opinion right. It simply means that the majority is wrong.

 

[Eng nawashi]

lol dafuq u smoking?

I just told you that's Sasuke put Itachi and Danzo in genjutsu(Danzou can still use his Mangekyou when it's under bandages as ge used KA) and the burden of proof is on you considering obito has no feats of resistance to rinnegan genjutsu.

You are repeating the same BS ,Itachi let himself because Sasuke's ginjutsu would free him from tayua's sound ginjutsu ,lol even Itachi with MS used ginjutsu on EMS Sasuke to free him from the same sound ginjutsu .does that mean MS ginjutsu can affect EMS user now !??lol stop saying BS please .
No ,danzu can't use his eye perfectly while it is covered ,if this had been the case ,then please answer me ,why did danzu removed his shisui eye cover after his all other eyes was destroyed !!?why does kakashi remove his eye cover every time he uses sharingan!!?.
The burden of proof is on you ,you are the one who claimed that Sasuke can ginjutsu MS user, without supporting your claim with any proof except the argument of superior eye and inferior eye which i proved to be wrong in my first reply to you and in my previous post .

It's because Madara and Naruto have super SM reflexes and sensing both which obito doesn't have

First you were saying naruto and madara didn't react at all ,now you are saying they reacted due to super SM reflexes.
I know that they reacted mentally and physically thanks to their super reflex ,but Obito doesn't need to react physically in order to counter Sasuke's amino . he only needs to react mentally and activate intangibility .this or in worst cases activate the intangibility the whole fight leaving no hope for sasuke to blitz him with amino .

You're speaking as if Adult obito has better Reflexes than Naruto and Madara when even as a juubi jin he was taken off guard by FTG many times regardless of his inability to use kamui.

Again obito doesn't need better or even equal reaction to Madara and Naruto .you were saying that Sasuke can blitz Obito with amino because he is superior to Minato who tagged Obito ignoring that we are talking about DMS Adult Obito boosted with rikudo chakra while Minato tagged 1 MS 14 years old Kid Obito without any rikudo chakra boost ,big difference see .

 

[Kirin The Dragon Sage]

Even i'm sasuke fans but i think BoBito is stronger than him Kamui reks Sasuke easily and all OP said, plus Sasuke sword is useless to Obito for many reason.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Except Sasuke can invade Kamui dimension where phasing doesn't work. Even sending a clone there would be enough

Except sasuke can't invade kamui dimension nor send a clone .
-kamui dimension is the only dimension in NV that was said to be sealed dimension by data book ,no one can go there or come back unless he has obito's eye .
- another proof that kamui dimension is different from kaguya's dimensions, Sasuke summoned hawk from the real dimension to kaguya's dimension (in the manga),that means FTG users can go to and from kaguya's dimensions if they have marks on both sides .on the other hand ,in obito VS Minato's fight ,there was indication that if obito managed to fully warp minato to kamui dimension ,minato wouldn't be able to telebort back to the real dimension although he has many FTG marks in the real dimension .