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ok it was closed the last time because there was a similar thread at the time, so here we go again:

Well like it or not a large part of the western civilization is based on christianity. Not because it is right and not even because it is correct (imo it isnt but that isnt the discussion here) but because we have lived with it for almost 2 thousand years ever since the battle of Frigidus when christianity enveloped one of the birthplaces of the west, the Roman Empire. Since then all professions were affected by christianity. It played large roles in politics and law, even in the polarization of world powers. The entire west today is what it is because of christianity and all our lives happen in this system that was build first on the greco-roman and then a christian world and spread its influence even to the rest of the world.

So weather you are a religious person or an atheist like me it would be tremendously stupid to deny any influence religion had on your life. The most important structures in the western civilizations were build in a time when christianity was one of the great powers of the world (ofc there are other influences but im sticking to the point which is religion), and this structures are with us every day: law, politics (the two most important structures in every country and affect us every day in almost everything we do weather you get it or not), art (some of the most influental literary works for example, philosophy, ...) , architecture (whole cities were built according to religion), ...

But in this context you cant think of christianity as a belief in god, its more than that and god had very little with anything i just wrote, its about the identity of a civilization, about their morals, about their root, about their mythology and history, .... They have changed much since back then but both conservatives and liberals are still affected by our roots, which are in the greco-roman and christian culture

PS: only talking about western culture particularly, but its pretty much the same everywhere, there is no right religion and there is no religion that is right but we need something similar, some people hang to christianity, some to islam, atheists have their own morals which were (in the west) undoubtetly influenced by christianity and in return christianity had its roots in previous religions. its no coincidence that all religions are similar.

to me religion isnt a belief in god which is what it means to most people but the structure of the society, and we dont live in a completely christian world, it is changing constantly and not even christianity isnt completely christian (of you know what i mean).

Religion was constructed by humans and therefor reflects what people need to exist in a society. We dont need a religion but something similar and religion itself fits that description (so does law to some extent but again, Ill stick on topic). Religion can be something not defined by a believe in god (buddhism) but simply a guideline on how to live with one eachother and with one self.
 

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they where meant the keep people in check

- mess up burn in hell

because crime was crazy, i am Cristian btw i am talking about foundations of many religions

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honestly I didnt expect anyone with a signature like yours to post anything worth while

Lol This ^

And I agree on some parts, I already agreed on what you said a while ago U_U
 

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*Yawn* Back to Naruto...

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I do understand what you mean, honestly I don't believe in religion itself because it's man made. Human kind wrote it, not 'God'..as an agnostic, I don't deny nor believe. I rather stay neutral..though I wish religion truly didn't rule society, it's not that it's bad. Just that some people become 'fanatics' of their religion then it becomes a problem. They start to believe their religion and their god is right and attack others.
If there going to be religious, they should at least keep their heads..
When it comes to politics and law making, I wish they wouldn't merge the two because then it becomes an issue. They begging to take away humans rights of those they see as a threat to their 'perfect society' and it's quite sad to say the least.

But that's our western and other societies..there ruled by their beliefs of a religion. Even those who are against religion or don't give a sh*t, they still get dragged into their disputes.​
 

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I do understand what you mean, honestly I don't believe in religion itself because it's man made. Human kind wrote it, not 'God'..as an agnostic, I don't deny nor believe. I rather stay neutral..though I wish religion truly didn't rule society, it's not that it's bad. Just that some people become 'fanatics' of their religion then it becomes a problem. They start to believe their religion and their god is right and attack others.
If there going to be religious, they should at least keep their heads..
When it comes to politics and law making, I wish they wouldn't merge the two because then it becomes an issue. They begging to take away humans rights of those they see as a threat to their 'perfect society' and it's quite sad to say the least.

But that's our western and other societies..there ruled by their beliefs of a religion. Even those who are against religion or don't give a sh*t, they still get dragged into their disputes.​


i have to disagree here many many places where founded for freedom of religion. so there law should reflect the religion they have. people dont have to live there if they want they can leave
 

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Actually it was probably closed because you're not allowed to discuss religion on NB U_U
 

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Actually it was probably closed because you're not allowed to discuss religion on NB U_U

they changed this like a month or two ago

"Religious threads are allowed till further notice. Please keep this in mind:


Be objective and respectful and don't make us regret the decision to allow them again.

Your freedom of speech is limited by global forum rules. Don't break them."
 
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i have to disagree here many many places where founded for freedom of religion. so there law should reflect the religion they have. people dont have to live there if they want they can leave

Oh? you sure about that? Homosexuality is banned by any religion. It doesn't matter where you flee to, there's only a few states where they can marry. Other than that they cant. It's much easier for people to stop merging religion and politics because after all, religion shouldn't be involved with laws and government issues. Either they allow gays to marry or make a different law that doesn't ban their rights just b/c there same *** couple.
It's much easier for ignorance and fear to rule someone that they cant accept what they cant understand and that's what most places are like when religion gets to their heads.
You cant just say "You don't like it? then leave" it's not as simple as that you know. I know I wouldn't want to move for any reason. Would you?
Plus freedom of religion and equal rights and also the fact that the U.S 'says' they don't put religion hand to hand with politics is pure BS because they use religion when they make some decisions and take away the right of those born different.​
 

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they changed this like a month or two ago

"Religious threads are allowed till further notice. Please keep this in mind:


Be objective and respectful and don't make us regret the decision to allow them again.

Your freedom of speech is limited by global forum rules. Don't break them."

yeah alright :ice: my bad then :ghehe:
 

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Oh? you sure about that? Homosexuality is banned by any religion. It doesn't matter where you flee to, there's only a few states where they can marry. Other than that they cant. It's much easier for people to stop merging religion and politics because after all, religion shouldn't be involved with laws and government issues. Either they allow gays to marry or make a different law that doesn't ban their rights just b/c there same *** couple.
It's much easier for ignorance and fear to rule someone that they cant accept what they cant understand and that's what most places are like when religion gets to their heads.
You cant just say "You don't like it? then leave" it's not as simple as that you know. I know I wouldn't want to move for any reason. Would you?
Plus freedom of religion and equal rights and also the fact that the U.S 'says' they don't put religion hand to hand with politics is pure BS because they use religion when they make some decisions.​

the ban of gays getting married is more then religion its economic

 

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That thread is active North Kai and you posted the same thing in it. I clearly told you that a thread is considered active till one month from the last post in that thread. :|

Other than being aginast rules, it's not fair to the original thread maker as well to let the thread die just so that you can make another. Discussion become repetitive and fragmented at the same time and people lose interest in discussing it seriously if the same topic keeps coming up.
 
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the ban of gays getting married is more then religion its economic


Don't give me your BS please, I have no desire to argue about this matter with a close minded individual who only sees his own interest as an excuse to why ban their rights. You say it cost money, if a guy dies or whatever your excuse is, straight couples can do the same and have been for a long time buddy. The issue isn't about money. It's about right and how religion rules over society and bands this people from their rights.
I'm a working U.S citizen, my tax matters too so I say 'Yes' have my money then and let them marry. Money isn't everything in life. Plus like I said, straight people marry and waste our 'taxes' as you say. If you really cared about such thing then ban all marriage, you'll save up more money that way instead of just banning a group of people. It's not fair and it's immoral in my beliefs.​
 

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i have to disagree here many many places where founded for freedom of religion. so there law should reflect the religion they have. people dont have to live there if they want they can leave

but we also have the separation of church and state
 

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Religion has no place in trying to guide society...Specially an American society; Which is a ClusterFuq of Religions from all over the world...

Society needs to guide itself...

Religion is too outdated and controversial to be the guidelines for society...

Society is rapidly moving forward; While religion is stuck in the past...

How hard is it to differentiate between right and wrong without the use of a Miss-Translated material?

Like i say in many threads; People need to educated themselves in order to fight ignorance...
 
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This thread will probably be shut down soon
 

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I can say majority of a nation will most likely always prevail to determine the ruling factor. Whether the majority decides to voice opinions is a choice that can inflict negative or positive outcomes. Here in Australia, a democratic nation that doesn't tolerate insults or racism to another one's cultures, beliefs, and values is supported. That's all good, since it is a country of freedom, (although its roots aren't the brightest) - people migrate here for that chance to be able to follow whatever they believe in, with peace and freedom.

Everyone has different opinions, and clashes will always occur - its inevitable when people are brought up differently. One thing that needs to be commonly shared with upbringing though is open mindedness I believe.
 

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Don't give me your BS please, I have no desire to argue about this matter with a close minded individual who only sees his own interest as an excuse to why ban their rights. You say it cost money, if a guy dies or whatever your excuse is, straight couples can do the same and have been for a long time buddy. The issue isn't about money. It's about right and how religion rules over society and bands this people from their rights.
I'm a working U.S citizen, my tax matters too so I say 'Yes' have my money then and let them marry. Money isn't everything in life. Plus like I said, straight people marry and waste our 'taxes' as you say. If you really cared about such thing then ban all marriage, you'll save up more money that way instead of just banning a group of people. It's not fair and it's immoral in my beliefs.​
you seem not to care about money? i on the other hand want to remove all forms of wasted money possible, i dont care if they get married they just dont get tax brakes.
but we also have the separation of church and state

most places dont, i dont know what you mean by we
 

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you seem not to care about money? i on the other hand want to remove all forms of wasted money possible, i dont care if they get married they just dont get tax brakes.


most places dont, i dont know what you mean by we

Lol What are you? a republican? :rolleyes: worry about yourself, not others man. That's just an excuse to ban their marriage.
 
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