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Ironically enough, this is what I stated that Naruto was. (Indirectly so though.) Do I really need to provide you proof as to where it says that Sasuke is a child prodigy that does everything alone where as Naruto is a loser who requires his friends to gain strength? Oh well, guess I have to. Here is, by the words of Hagoromo. In
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, Hagoromo states that Indra was a natural genius, a prodigy. Where as Ashura was a idiot without much power. But through his friends, Ashura gained that power. He also claims how Ashura and Naruto are a lot alike in that regard, same with Sasuke and Indra.Naruto first preformed a single-handed Rasengan in Sage Mode (without clones) when he and Tobirama attacked Obito. He befriended Kurama a good amount of time before that, proving that it wasn't Kurama's interference but just Naruto's lack of concentration. (As he wasn't able to use a Rasengan in base form until he faced Sasuke in Chapter 699. Several years after learning the Rasengan.) Hebi Mode? Are we talking fanfiction now, or are you referring to the Curse Mark Mode? Which was given to him by Orochimaru, mastered by Orochimaru. (By the same logic that the Rasengan was given to Naruto by Jiraya, or Kurama given to him by Minato, later mastered by Naruto himself.) EMS and MS was gained by Sasuke. Itachi never wanted Sasuke to have his eyes, let alone gain the MS, but he planned for it. (As he figured Obito would interfere.) Itachi tried his best to keep Sasuke from gaining the MS. Yet, he gained it anyways. It was not given to him by Itachi. Amaterasu? Amaterasu, no Kagetuchi is Sasuke's unique MS ability. (Same as Tsukuyomi is Itachi's) So no, it was not given to him by Itachi or anyone. He gained the ability to gaining the MS, which he gained by learning Itachi's past and the truth from Obito. (As well as fighting Itachi himself.) Perfect Susano'o was given to Sasuke by Naruto? Okay, that is totally not fanboying over Naruto, totally not. Sasuke preformed Perfect Susano'o even after Naruto's chakra was gone, heck he never preformed it while still having Naruto's chakra. You are right, Sasuke couldn't beat all the Five Kage and their bodyguards alone. (Then again, would Sage Mode Naruto be able to? No.) Naruto has never, not even once, beaten any major villain alone. (The only one you could argue would be Kakuzu, but he was also weaken prior to the fight.) Pain? Naruto gained help, major help infact. Kaguya? Got help. Madara? Got help. Obito? Got help. Haku? Was saved by Sasuke. The list goes on. It is in Naruto's character, and it is how Kishimoto said it. He wanted to Naruto to be a character who gained his strength from his friends. |
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UzumakiRyu
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How about you clarify the power's you disagree with Sasuke gaining solely through his own vs the powers he was given through others. e.g Oro and Kabuto implant Itachi's eyes into Sasuke.
2: Oro bites Sasuke giving him the curse mark.
3: Kakashi trained Sasuke to learn Chidori.
Sasuke did learn to like Naruto make better variations of these techniques but does not go against the fact they were either taught to him or given to him which some he was against and another to which was given unwillingly. Which stands to the point obv not made by you but by Yasaka that Sasuke did not solely become powerful alone.
Our difference is in how you define a prodigy. A prodigy is not only someone who can learn things on his own but also someone who can learn them extremely fast compared to what's considered normal. Orochimaru did give him the curse mark but my point is that after their meeting after these 3 years, in their short fight, Sasuke didn't use these skills not even once (as far as I remember), yet he was capable of completely ovepowering the whole bunch of them. As for what you say about Chidori, I don't question him being taught but he was he who developed that many variants and it was him who managed to learn it very fast. For me these traits qualify him as prodigy.
Also Yasaka at the original post says that prodigies don't have to train on much, I think that this statement was taken completely out of proportions. "Much" doesn't mean not at all and let's not forget that even before becoming Genin, Sasuke did have some preety remarkable skills for his age. I point out that exact chronological moment because supposedly then no one had really any fighting experience or being taught how to fight well. Also, I would like to point out that Naruto remains my favourite character, I say that because I hate when someone labels you just because you present the both sides of the coin.
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UzumakiRyu
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Sasuke developed the Chidori obviously through those 3 years into a full bodied Chidori and also uses it on his Sword but they were essentially built on the foundation that Kakashi taught him so still means he used the Chidori one way or another. Naruto learned a ton more variations through mastering Rasengan even Mastered the RS in 3 days so according to your logic. He's a Prodigy.
When you say RS you mean rasenshuriken because I'm preety sure he mastered rasengan in 3 days, and "mastered" is an overestimation, ofc it was due to Kurama's fault but if we were to judge how Rasengan was first meant to be used, I would say that he mastered it completely against Obito, that's when he did with one hand. Other than that, sure Naruto can be called a prodigy but in a different way. As we know Sasuke always relied on his own chakra, to learn new techniques, I don't talk about his visual abilities. We also know that Naruto has much more chakra than Sasuke. From that point of view, if we say that Sasuke needs x time to learn a certain technique consuming x chakra, then we can say that Naruto supposedly can learn with the same speed but by consuming 10 or more times the chakra Sasuke used because he makes up for his less fast ability to learn by using clones to accelerate the process.
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UzumakiRyu
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Maybe Part 1 Naruto but the Naruto now and the point his chakra control is at can enable him to use less chakra to learn techniques.
Kishi Uzumaki
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but it will be better both been trained by their parents Buruto by Naruto and Hinata and Sarada by Sasuke and Sakura ( for now I believe Karin is not Salada's mother ) and in this way there's more chance for their development as it been theme that next generation surpassing the old one .
but it will be better both been trained by their parents Buruto by Naruto and Hinata and Sarada by Sasuke and Sakura ( for now I believe Karin is not Salada's mother ) and in this way there's more chance for their development as it been theme that next generation surpassing the old one .
That's true but what you do actually is to prove my point, Naruto had to train to get such a good control over his chakra whereas Sasuke had from the beginning preety much good control over from that point he was a prodigy. Just because Kurama was a toll from the beginning as far as his chakra's control goes, that doens't mean that Naruto would have similarly good control, then again it doesn't prove otherwise either...
UzumakiRyu
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If one looks at the achievements made by Itachi who better deserves the tag Prodigy having graduated from the Academy at age 7 and gained the Sharigan a year later also passed the Chuunin exams age 10 and age 11 entered the Anbu then 2 years later became an Anbu Captain so if we looked at Sasuke during similiar years you would understand how Sasuke seems normal compared to this older brother. Maybe you should redefine your view of Prodigy. Just sayin lol
UzumakiRyu
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That comparison is unrealistic. Your definition of a Ninja being a Prodigy is them having good chakra control and I simply stated a few manga fact's that shows the actual definition of a Prodigy and their achievements which makes them one. What has Sasuke achieved that is comparable to that?
Well I can't tell you what he learned during these 3 years, what I can tell you though is that both Naruto and Sasuke were equal at the end of part 1, both of them trained with one of the legendary sannin but Sasuke alone was capable to KO Naruto, Sakura, Sai and Tenzo hadn't it been for Orochimaru's intevention. Now, you may say that all this belong to the past but for me, this is one of the moments that we can really judge the two of them completely objectively without adding any extra conditions that could be subjective. That being said, I think that Sasuke's growth at these 3 years compared to his rival can give him the title of a prodigy. Let's not drag this any further, you have your opinion and I have mine, it's too time consuming to keep talking about this subject, frankly, it became a bit monotonous XD
UzumakiRyu
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Your statement is fulled with maybe's. Saying Sasuke could of "KO'd them" is in itself subjective yet you try to say you wouldn't add any "extra conditions" that would make it *subjective* which is pretty much what you have done. Unless you can forsee the future no Sasuke could not of KO'd them this is purely a fact and everything else is speculation without any proof since they never continued the fight.
Sasuke's growth through those 3 years isn't prodigy worth at all but that's my view...Itachi got the title from young age.
Sasuke is good but not a prodigy using his 3 year training with Oro isn't really much of a basis to use to call him such.
I could say during Naruto's short time training with the Toads and returning to defeat Pain (Had Naruto not returned pain would of killed everyone to find Naruto so this whole Naruto had help during this fight which you would probably call on is pointless since that is the core of his power. ) And when BZ and Sasuke and team Taka were near Konoha after Naruto defeated Pain he mentioned that at that stage Naruto was stronger then Sasuke and that training with the toads was far shorter then 3 years. With that logic Naruto's a Prodigy again
Yea like I said Sasuke isn't a prodigy my strong opinion but it's just that. 3 years of training and Sasuke showed off his full bodied chidori and negated Yamato. The time with the toads Naruto took on Nagato's 6 Path's and came out on top with help along the way but he is the catalyst in that fight.
