Relationship between Daimyo and Kage

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From what I understand:
The Daimyo possess the ability to appoint a kage with the approval of the Village's most skilled and experienced shinobi. Also, they apparently have to approve of a war before it's enacted, although we only have evidence of the Fourth Shinobi World War being started this way (an offside, but I would love an anime arc specifically about the other three wars, but that's probably just me). I would think they were landlords or something, but if they were, then they aren't extremely dictatorial, as they directly pay for the services for the shinobi, which in turn probably helps pay for their incomes. Yet, the very first arc of this manga helps show that they still receive considerable income from outlier villages, hence while this loss of income would be harsh at first, a profitable and competent village (which there really isn't an evidence of this besides Iwagakure, but that's another offside) may be able to adapt around this loss. So they aren't 100% crucial for the funding for the continuation of Konoha's village. Finally, from the few flashbacks we were given by Kishi towards the beginnings of Konoha, Hashirama, Tobirama, and Madara didn't seem constricted in any way by outside forces, i.e. the daimyo (mind, they may or may not have existed at that time). Thus, I leave this wall of text here with a few questions:

1.) What true purpose do the daimyo serve?
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2.) What incentive do the Kage have towards actually listening to the Daimyo, considering that the Daimyo depends upon the villages for protection, yet a competent village can handle its own financial affairs through funding by minor villages and wealthy individuals/groups?
 

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I thought thats why he has the anime ;x
I don't think he has ever done much to explain the Daimyo in the anime though... the animation studio usually uses them as fodders to drive the filler plotlines anyways...

@your other comment, that would make sense, but it doesn't explain the Daimyo's authority if they didn't exist prior to the village's creation... for that matter, if they did exist prior to the village's creation, then how did they profit off of having a continual warfare between the clans? If anything, they wouldn't have any authority whatsoever, given that another wannabe Daimyo can merely higher a rival clan to eliminate the current Daimyo...
 

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I don't think he has ever done much to explain the Daimyo in the anime though... the animation studio usually uses them as fodders to drive the filler plotlines anyways...

@your other comment, that would make sense, but it doesn't explain the Daimyo's authority if they didn't exist prior to the village's creation... for that matter, if they did exist prior to the village's creation, then how did they profit off of having a continual warfare between the clans? If anything, they wouldn't have any authority whatsoever, given that another wannabe Daimyo can merely higher a rival clan to eliminate the current Daimyo...
They did exist prior to the village's creation.

The Damiyo controled the country and hired the ninja. Hashirama made a contract or deal with the fire COUNTRY. And they profited somehow ;x.But rememeber that era wasn't of profits, but of wars.
 

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^So essentially land grabs for both food and minerals (trees, and other blah)? Hard to control any territory with the chaos that occurred during Hashirama's and Madara's lifetime, but I suppose that's why none of them objected (from what we can tell) to the villages being created... given the amount of clans that existed, we're to presume that there were quite a few more Daimyo/Daimyo wanna-bes that lived during that time, and those who backed the most successful clans (e.g., Senju, Uchiha, Hozuki, etc. (sadly we know of so few clans actually, mostly those of Konoha...) became the Daimyo of the countries formed around these new villages. That would actually explain quite a bit too. I'm going to reread the Hashirama flashback chapters to help verify this though. Thanks.

Edit: Turns out that the pertinent information was not, in fact, in the Hashirama flashback, but instead in Tobi's warped explanation of this same flashback back in Chapter 398:
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I feel as if this isn't really that full an explanation, but given Kishi's penchant for following DBZ to a code and not actually developing his world, I guess this will have to suffice...
 
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