Rejoice NarutoBase! The REVEAL is HERE!!

[Mellanoma]

After a long wait, it's time I revealed the ultimate truth about Itachi and Tobi.

The reality is Itachi controlled Tobi until Itachi passed. In this thread I will explain in detail why, when and how Itachi controlled Tobi.

1st point: Tobi didn't become NORMAL AGAIN until after Itachi Died.

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The reason I say again is due to:

a) Tobi was Tobi when he fought Minato

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So knowing Tobi was actually serious at some point one must ask when did Tobi become so playful.

The Answer:

AFTER he met Itachi -

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This indicates something happened to Tobi during this time frame.

To simplify it: Itachi had Tobi under his control while Itachi was alive.

But HOW! Mellanoma!? Here is the answer:

Itachi used Shishu's KA Eye on Tobi:​

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If you notice in the image above Itachi says it takes a decade to use KA (Without Hashirama cells). What this means is Itachi could only use KA every 10 years.

Notice he stated every 10 years. Lets look at the time line.

Sasuke was 7 years old when the Uchiha clan Massacre Occurred.
Sasuke is 17 during the war arc and turns 18 on the day they seal Kaguya.

This means the Time frame between Itachi meeting Tobi and casting KA on him

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AND

Itachi using KA to release himself.

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Was Exactly 10 years or 1 decade!!

With this evidence we can conclude that Itachi did infact use KA to turn Tobi into child Tobi

Itachi partnering with Kisame was no coincidence:​

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Considering Itachi had Tobi under his control its obvious that he was able to figure out that Kisame was a partner and could potentially know his identity.

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Itachi stayed with Kisame to make sure Kisame never found out who Tobi truly was. This was to reduce risk of Kisame breaking Tobi out of his KA control thus foiling his plan UNTIL Sasuke passed away.

Quite genius of Itachi. Of course once Itachi passed away and he lost control of Tobi. Tobi immediately approached Kisame to inform him of who he truly was.

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Tobi admitted it himself:​

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KA users when placed under Genjutsu dont know they are being controlled. So Naturally everything they do appears to be normal to them. This is why when Itachi died Tobi carried on as if he was never controlled.

This also explains why Itachi stated this:

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Tobi listened to Itachi​

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However he didn't listen to Madara

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Itachi has Feats of canonically Controlling someone​

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Thoughts?

 

[Uverdore9]

Nice. Makes sense.

Though I dont think it was with KA, His own genjutsu

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[Oblivionx]

If that was the case, tobi would always be under that genjutsu because it was shishu's eye, not itachi's. And itachi was dead when naruto was supposed to use KA on EMS sasuke. So address this loophole in your theory.

 

[Mellanoma]

If that was the case, tobi would always be under that genjutsu because it was shishu's eye, not itachi's. And itachi was dead when naruto was supposed to use KA on EMS sasuke. So address this loophole in your theory.

10 year gap between Tobi getting KA'd and Itachi breaking Edo tensei.

KA actually responds to Itachi's eye WITHIN Sasuke's EMS. Based on TImeline Itachi's death and the Shinobi war all happened in the same exact year meaning it was 10 years regardless if Itachi used KA on himself OR sasuke getting KA'd. Itachi lived long enough to make sure KA was ready to be used again.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Sasuke's birthday is July 23. Naruto turned 17 on the morning that the war ended (the day he fought Sasuke).

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[BlazeRelease]

Makes perfect sense. Would explain that weird ass stuff about Kisame not recognizing him; he was a "completely different person".

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

What kind of nonsense is this.

 

[kiiro]

If that was the case, tobi would always be under that genjutsu because it was shishu's eye, not itachi's. And itachi was dead when naruto was supposed to use KA on EMS sasuke. So address this loophole in your theory.

But we know they can program things just as he programmed Sasuke's eyes to use amateratsu.

 

[kiiro]

Wow, this is a master piece. Wonder if Kishimoto also knows this or forgot hahaha. It all makes sense and why did Tobi not put a finger to Konoha until his death.

Like, it was already stupid that he never did nothing to Konoha and waited 10 years to do everything. They could have done it time ago already.

 

[Mellanoma]

Wow, this is a master piece. Wonder if Kishimoto also knows this or forgot hahaha. It all makes sense and why did Tobi not put a finger to Konoha until his death.

Like, it was already stupid that he never did nothing to Konoha and waited 10 years to do everything. They could have done it time ago already.

Exactly. Its also strange how Obito listened to Itachi yet constantly butt heads with Madara

 

[ThelUchiha]

What do you mean by this?

Itachi stayed with Kisame to make sure Kisame never found out who Tobi truly was."?

Itachi knew that Tobi was Madara and Tobi also showed himself to Kisame even before they were in Akatsuki

 

[Mellanoma]

What do you mean by this?

Itachi stayed with Kisame to make sure Kisame never found out who Tobi truly was."?

Itachi knew that Tobi was Madara and Tobi also showed himself to Kisame even before they were in Akatsuki

Kisame didn't know who Tobi was WHILE they were in Akatsuki. He only knew him back when he controlled the Mizukage

 

[ThelUchiha]

Kisame didn't know who Tobi was WHILE they were in Akatsuki. He only knew him back when he controlled the Mizukage

This is a nice theory. Since Obito was used for Tobidara's vessel body, Itachi used genjutsu on Obito but while Tobidara inside of Obitos body was awared of that and probably couldnt take / didnt want to take control back so that Itachi doesnt find the real truth...???? ok this is confusing lol

 

[Mellanoma]

What kind of nonsense is this.

There is ALOT of evidence even if you dont believe it. Read it if you haven't

 

[Oblivionx]

But we know they can program things just as he programmed Sasuke's eyes to use amateratsu.

its not about programming. Its about effects of genjutsu. He is saying that when itachi died, genjutsu ended. I am saying that wouldn't have happened in this case.

 

[Mellanoma]

its not about programming. Its about effects of genjutsu. He is saying that when itachi died, genjutsu ended. I am saying that wouldn't have happened in this case.

Considering Itachi canonically was capable of controlling people from great distances

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One could argue KA and his own special jutsu was used. While my theory centers around KA what's stopping Itachi from using another form of control genjutsu

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^^ Canonically he controlled Kabuto

 

[Oblivionx]

Considering Itachi canonically was capable of controlling people from great distances

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One could argue KA and his own special jutsu was used. While my theory centers around KA what's stopping Itachi from using another form of control genjutsu

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^^ Canonically he controlled Kabuto

You are talking about obito here -_- . Who knows about all sharingan based genjutsus even more so than itachi and has MS himself. Comparing him to kabuto or unknown fodders is not gonna work. Only genjutsu that might have worked on him was KA. Even that is doubtful. And he did show his real personality in between goofiness too. Like when he first encountered kakashi and naruto. Its not like he was always goofy.

As for this theory, its nice but why did the effects of KA wear off after itachi died?

 

[Mellanoma]

You are talking about obito here -_- . Who knows about all sharingan based genjutsus even more so than itachi and has MS himself. Comparing him to kabuto or unknown fodders is not gonna work. Only genjutsu that might have worked on him was KA. Even that is doubtful. And he did show his real personality in between goofiness too. Like when he first encountered kakashi and naruto. Its not like he was always goofy.

As for this theory, its nice but why did the effects of KA wear off after itachi died?

I would imagine KA was programmed to end after Itachi's death? Or maybe it wore off.

Either way Itachi planned for when Tobi finally met Sasuke s he could do this:

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Maybe he figured once he died Tobi would be MORE vulnerable allowing him to Amaterasu him.

As for talking about Obito Kabuto was an SM user with Intelligence CLOSE to but higher than Obito. Dont discredit his intellect.

 

[Oblivionx]

I would imagine KA was programmed to end after Itachi's death? Or maybe it wore off.

Either way Itachi planned for when Tobi finally met Sasuke s he could do this:

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Maybe he figured once he died Tobi would be MORE vulnerable allowing him to Amaterasu him.

As for talking about Obito Kabuto was an SM user with Intelligence CLOSE to but higher than Obito. Dont discredit his intellect.

This was a fail safe plan which shows that itachi always wanted to get rid of obito but couldn't. Obviously itachi was no fodder himself so obito was scared of him as well. Once he died, he had no way of intimidating obito anymore. So that was his last attempt. I wonder if he knew, it would fail. This is tobidara we are talking about after all.


@bold, that is the problem. Why would he do that as he needed obito to stay away from konoha forever. Well it is an interesting theory. I'd admit that. But i don't think kishi planned it this way.

 

[Mellanoma]

This was a fail safe plan which shows that itachi always wanted to get rid of obito but couldn't. Obviously itachi was no fodder himself so obito was scared of him as well. Once he died, he had no way of intimidating obito anymore. So that was his last attempt. I wonder if he knew, it would fail. This is tobidara we are talking about after all.


@bold, that is the problem. Why would he do that as he needed obito to stay away from konoha forever. Well it is an interesting theory. I'd admit that. But i don't think kishi planned it this way.

The problem is KA was never FULLY explained so for all we know once the caster died KA would wear off.

For example Technically if Naruto and Sasuke fought and KA Crow activated doesn't that mean Naruto is technically the caster? We dont even know if it would have actually worked on Sasuke.

More than likely I think it happened like this:

Once Itachi died KA wears off AND Tobi feels relieved and lowers his guard to go for Sasuke.
Tobi would go for Sasuke
Sasuke Amaterasu Tobi
IF that fails (Which it did)
Itachi knew Sasuke would want his eyes.
Once he got his eyes
KA Crow would affect Sasuke once he fought Naruto.


LOTS of contingency involved which is quite Genius of Itachi. However Itachi's excessive planning was part of the reason Tobi/Obito was also so well guarded and prepared. In essence Itachi helped keep Tobi/Obito on his toes to sharpen his own mental skill