Regarding Konoha's Yellow Flash

[Lagadatte]

So I have a question for all you Minato die-hard fans, who claim that he is the best shinobi out there (for the sake of a versetile thread, answers from people who dont think that are very welcome too ). As much as I like Minato's character, the way I see his techniques (or the ones demonstrated so far), there is a giant flaw in his arsenal that, if exploited correctly, would lead to an easy defeat.

Given that his biggest advantage is his Hirainshin no Jutsu and that, smart as he is, he bases most of his strategies around it, what would Minato do if he is forced to fight over water? Say in the middle of a lake or in the sea with no chance of getting back to land easily (say because his enemy is clever enough to keep him occupied precisely there)? I am not pulling tails here, I am most genuinly asking, do you have any bright ideas, because the way I see it, he'd be pretty much f*cked.
He wouldn't be able to spread his Hiraishin Tags (last time I checked, kunai don't float) and his Hiraishin level 2 would allow only for a frontal attack, which would be anticipated and would, most likely, end worse for him than for his opponent (since, you know, most of his opponents wouldn't de-materialise in the moment of the attack like Tobito did). Furthermore, his barrier, which (as stated by Shikaku) is a space-time barrier, teleporting the attack to any chosen Hiraishin tag, will ultimately fail, because of the lack of Hiraishin Tags to divert it to in the first place.

Even if he had more techniques (and he most likely does), he'd be down to the level of most other powerful jonin when he is not able to utilise his signature move. That certainly wouldn't make him the most powerful ninja alive. Say, for the sake of argument, that his chakra element is water, say he is a master of Suiton techniques - that still wouldn't help him much when faced with someone like, oh, say Itachi Uchiha f.e. Heck, even Kakashi would have a solid chance. Most water-affinity shinobi would bear that in mind too and plan their attacks accordingly, his technique can be trumped.

So, what are your thoughts? How would you say Konoha's Yellow Flash would get out of that situation in all his awesomeness? Ideas?

 

[CharlieBundels]

Summon Gamabunta, get the **** outta there. Problem solved.

 

[Sheikh Abdullahi Yusuf]

Even without his Ftg, Minato is versatile with powerful summons. And remember, his still very fast in his base speed, kunai to the throat for most shinobis.

 

[FireBird Marco]

He'd warp the lake to the hidden cloud village lol.

 

[FleeOnSight]

This is why I don't like minato haters. Their only answer is minato only has FTG. Smh. He could summon a army of toads and use combo attacks with the toads. Like use his base speed to tag you while you are evading attacks from the toads. You people make it seem like without FTG he is genin level. It's ridiculous.

 

[Liquid Snake]

but when he beat obito he never threw a kunai in the ground and he still has the rasengan and he can place seals with his hands ur a fodder if u think minato will get owned easily im pretty sure obito new the weaknesses of the ftg seeing he was minatos student but he still got owned

 

[bigfatloser]

1. place teleport seal on his back
2. teleport to seal
3. ???
4. win

ALT:

1. throw kunai above opponent
2. open s/t barrier underwater
3. warp water to kunai
4. the force of several thousand tons of water falling on his opponent kills them instantly

 

[Zoro..]

He has Space Time techniques to move stuff around. And his base speed is more then enough to handle almost every average Jounin, even as a kid he was able to handle people without too much difficulty due to his incredible speed. If he faced someone like Kisame then he might have a rough time though I believe he would come up with something. Water being his weakness would be way to obvious and you're also forgetting he has a kunai with a FTG tag in safehouses for worst case scenarios. So I don't see how water would beat him lol

 

[FireBird Marco]

1. place teleport seal on his back
2. teleport to seal
3. ???
4. win

ALT:

1. throw kunai above opponent
2. open s/t barrier underwater
3. warp water to kunai
4. the force of several thousand tons of water falling on his opponent kills them instantly

lol that's some crazy epic shit lol

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

1. Why would he be on top of a lake?
2. He can just throw one kunai. He's not restricted to throwing multiple.
3. His summons.
4. Like KillYondaimeHaters kinda said, just because he doesn't have his FTG (hypothetically) doesn't mean he can't win. I severely doubt he became Hokage because of 1 or 2 jutsu.
5. He always has a kunai at home.

There ya go. Not too complicated.

 

[ward3mon]

Minato can teleport using his kunai because he has the justsu tag on there so he can use it whenever he wants and he can teleport straight back to his house as shown in the series

 

[BREAKD]

its not that the tags have to stick to the ground to teleport there.
I can imagine throwing some of those kunai in the air and fighting while waiting
for them to come down and then do a tele-combo move bringing up some
spectacular combo's...
Anyway I'm not a Minato fanboy, but I do anticipate him high on the shinobi level scale

 

[Sabuto Hayashi]

Against a good Suiton user, he would be at quite a disadvantage fighting on water.

I expect that he'd try throwing his kunai to get close to his opponent, placing a tag onto them so that he can teleport directly and catch them by surprise.
If Minato needed to dodge, he could just teleport behind his opponent or preemptively throw a kunai to teleport to.

Also, let's not forget that he can summon Gamabunta or any other toads if he needs to.

 

[uncle sam]

Not just the water, but enemies who utilize air combat have a huge advantage as well.

 

[ajpn920]

So I have a question for all you Minato die-hard fans, who claim that he is the best shinobi out there (for the sake of a versetile thread, answers from people who dont think that are very welcome too ). As much as I like Minato's character, the way I see his techniques (or the ones demonstrated so far), there is a giant flaw in his arsenal that, if exploited correctly, would lead to an easy defeat.

Given that his biggest advantage is his Hirainshin no Jutsu and that, smart as he is, he bases most of his strategies around it, what would Minato do if he is forced to fight over water? Say in the middle of a lake or in the sea with no chance of getting back to land easily (say because his enemy is clever enough to keep him occupied precisely there)? I am not pulling tails here, I am most genuinly asking, do you have any bright ideas, because the way I see it, he'd be pretty much f*cked.
He wouldn't be able to spread his Hiraishin Tags (last time I checked, kunai don't float) and his Hiraishin level 2 would allow only for a frontal attack, which would be anticipated and would, most likely, end worse for him than for his opponent (since, you know, most of his opponents wouldn't de-materialise in the moment of the attack like Tobito did). Furthermore, his barrier, which (as stated by Shikaku) is a space-time barrier, teleporting the attack to any chosen Hiraishin tag, will ultimately fail, because of the lack of Hiraishin Tags to divert it to in the first place.

Even if he had more techniques (and he most likely does), he'd be down to the level of most other powerful jonin when he is not able to utilise his signature move. That certainly wouldn't make him the most powerful ninja alive. Say, for the sake of argument, that his chakra element is water, say he is a master of Suiton techniques - that still wouldn't help him much when faced with someone like, oh, say Itachi Uchiha f.e. Heck, even Kakashi would have a solid chance. Most water-affinity shinobi would bear that in mind too and plan their attacks accordingly, his technique can be trumped.

So, what are your thoughts? How would you say Konoha's Yellow Flash would get out of that situation in all his awesomeness? Ideas?

is this example enough?

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You can get two answers from that scan.

1. He can use Food Cart Destroyer Technique.

2. He can teleport something as big as Kurama within the radius. He teleported Kurama without touching. Please be aware that Minato is on top of Bunta and Bunta is as big as Kurama. Just ask yourself how he was able to teleport Kurama. If he can teleport Kurama within such radius, what's stopping him from doing it with someone smaller than Kurama?

There's no trapping Minato. No traps will work because he can get out of it by the use of FTG and it's variations. I wonder how can someone hurt Minato if he activated space time barrier and what's the use of his summons if he can't use that.

 

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

He warped a tbb which is a massive amount of chakra. Who's to say he couldn't warp the lake away? Then he wins with his awesome base speed, rasengan and ftg. We've only seen him fight in a few chapters and never on water I think with his intellect hes not gonna leave that big of a hole in his style its fair to assume he's prepared with and I'm spitballing here wooden/plastic kunai? He could use gambunta to fight/ displace as much water as possible. He could fight around the edges of the lake seeing as their is no time limit this could lure the opponent from relative safety eventually. How deep of water if its not more than four feet it won't matter. Seeing as his name is namikaze he probably has wind/water affinity he could use the suiton and attack itachi from under susanoo or just fight agains anyone with it. He could possibly use futon to blow the water away or at least open up dry areas that he could take advantage of with his incredible speed. That's all I got keep in mind its hypothetical.

 

[BloodSeed]

So I have a question for all you Minato die-hard fans, who claim that he is the best shinobi out there (for the sake of a versetile thread, answers from people who dont think that are very welcome too ). As much as I like Minato's character, the way I see his techniques (or the ones demonstrated so far), there is a giant flaw in his arsenal that, if exploited correctly, would lead to an easy defeat.

Given that his biggest advantage is his Hirainshin no Jutsu and that, smart as he is, he bases most of his strategies around it, what would Minato do if he is forced to fight over water? Say in the middle of a lake or in the sea with no chance of getting back to land easily (say because his enemy is clever enough to keep him occupied precisely there)? I am not pulling tails here, I am most genuinly asking, do you have any bright ideas, because the way I see it, he'd be pretty much f*cked.
He wouldn't be able to spread his Hiraishin Tags (last time I checked, kunai don't float) and his Hiraishin level 2 would allow only for a frontal attack, which would be anticipated and would, most likely, end worse for him than for his opponent (since, you know, most of his opponents wouldn't de-materialise in the moment of the attack like Tobito did). Furthermore, his barrier, which (as stated by Shikaku) is a space-time barrier, teleporting the attack to any chosen Hiraishin tag, will ultimately fail, because of the lack of Hiraishin Tags to divert it to in the first place.

Even if he had more techniques (and he most likely does), he'd be down to the level of most other powerful jonin when he is not able to utilise his signature move. That certainly wouldn't make him the most powerful ninja alive. Say, for the sake of argument, that his chakra element is water, say he is a master of Suiton techniques - that still wouldn't help him much when faced with someone like, oh, say Itachi Uchiha f.e. Heck, even Kakashi would have a solid chance. Most water-affinity shinobi would bear that in mind too and plan their attacks accordingly, his technique can be trumped.

So, what are your thoughts? How would you say Konoha's Yellow Flash would get out of that situation in all his awesomeness? Ideas?

if his body can move faster than you in land why cant he swim faster than you in water? and why cant he teleport without throwing a kunai?