[Theory] Redline, The Ancient Weapons, Noah.

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Alright; this is purely speculation; and I myself can see several things wrong with this theory, but I decided to type it out anyway simply out of boredom and the urge to well, speculate.

First off, the three Ancient Weapons; Poseidon; Pluton; and Your-Anus Uranus.We already know that each of these weapons is capable of mass destruction; it's also been shown that the Ancient Weapons have been around either prior or were possibly created/conceived within the Void Century. They've been shown to be closely interlinked with the Void Century; with hints to their location being documented on the Poneglyphs; indestructible rocks left behind by the Ancient Kingdom which contain various snippets of information; mostly those involving the ever so mysterious Void Century. This lead us to believe that the Weapons may have been either created or owned by the Ancient Kingdom.

We already know the location of Poseidon and what it; or better yet she is. It's a mermaid;a mermaid with the power to both communicate and control the dreaded Sea Kings. This ability has apparently been passed down through the Royal fishman family; although has only been present in few; presumably only two mermaids. It's original owner; Poseidon; who upon death had her name treated as a title that was given to those who possessed her power, and her great descendant Shirahoshi. What's strange about this ancient weapon is that it's not a inanimate object, rather it's a living being. Perhaps this could be related to the fact that Uranus and Pluton are named after planets whose name coincides with a Roman or Greek god; while Poseidon is just named after a god not a planet. Making Poseidon the od one out and thus living being.

Then there's Pluton; strangely it isn't named Pluto; but rather has an extra character giving it the name Pluton. Of course it is a sort of natural response to remove the N and immediately intertwine it with Pluto; a planet associated with the Roman god that rules the underworld. Also; since Poseidon is of course a name that quickly brings up thoughts of the sea; while Uranus is linked with the sky; it wouldn't be far fetched to assume that Pluton may be something to do with the earth. Although it has already been stated that Pluton is a ship. A ship that sails the sea? Boring. A ship that can traverse through earth? A little more interesting; makes more sense as well if you take ino account it's namesake. But; is that N really unintentional? Could the N signify that Pluton is a ship that not only sails though earth, but can also create earth? Pluton: A pluton in geology is a body of intrusive igneous rock (called a plutonic rock) that is crystallized from magma slowly cooling below the surface of the Earth. - Taken from good 'ol Wikipedia. A ship that sails through earth; has the ability to create rock by spewing magma, or perhaps by some other means, though the magma does fit, after all Underworld- Hell -Fire - Magma etc etc, yada yada. Sounds cool? o_O

Then there's Uranus; probably some kind of Sky Weapon. Meh.

Next there's the Ancient Kingdom, a Kingdom that went to war with the united 20 Kingdoms and lost. It lost. A kingdom that is implied to be rather spectacular; so much so that they foresaw their loss and created stones on which they inscribed their secrets. Stones that are indestructible; stones that no matter how much the WG tries, they simply can't do anything about. This Kingdom seems to also be heavily intertwined with the Ancient Weapons, possibly being their creators. This further highlights how great this civilization; which even when destroyed continues to haunt the WG, may have been. But, this Kingdom was destroyed seemingly within a century, a century now dubbed the Void Century. Now, what's the best way to destroy a gigantic kingdom which seemingly ruled the majority of the world? Perhaps divide and conquer?

I don't know if it's just me, but the Redline has always seemed so unnatural. It's freakin' huge; seemingly the same height all around; traverses a straight line, and despite being around for hundreds of years only has one hole; fishman Island. Perhaps the Twenty Kingdoms created the Red Line using Pluton? Sail the world once with that ancient ship and while doing so create a 10,000 meter high rock wall along with a giant mountain. Definitely seems far fetched. Although it's been said that Poseidon alone could sink all of the lands of the word, so maybe not so much? So let's say that by some miracle the 20 Kingdoms managed to sail around the world creating the red line without being interrupted by the Ancient Kingdom? What then? Well of course Mariejois's creation should perhaps be priority, as they would need the ability to freely cross between the four blue while preventing the now segmented Ancient Kingdom from doing so. At which point they're free to pick off the divided kingdom bit by bit. Of course I have no guesses as to what the Grand Line is; perhaps it's always been there; and it was the goal of the ancient Kingdom to get rid of it and unify the world. In which case allowing for the creation of the Red Line would be rather retarded? Or maybe it was created thanks to the discord caused by the creation of the Red Line itself. Or possibly using another Ancient Weapon? Although perhaps this can explain the weird structures on Reverse Mountain; maybe the Ancient Kingdom built the waterways in an attempt to unify the seas again and begin their counter-attack against the twenty kingdoms. Also, perhaps the hole which rests around fishman Island was the Ancient Kingdoms original attempt at destroying the Red Line. With Noah being a ship for evacuation, with Joy Boys' promise stemming from the fact that Fishman Island would have to be evacuated so that the Ancients could blow a hole big enough in the Red Line to allow for free travel and the destruction of Mariejois.

Then there's East Blue; perhaps this is the Twenty Kingdoms original domain; which would explain why it's the weakest in terms of piracy. Perhaps piracy was originally resistance and rebellion against the twenty Kingdoms impending rule; probably carried out by the Ancient Kingdoms remains and its descendants. With East Blue being Pro Twenty Kingdoms there would have been little rebellion. However the series' greatest pirates and leading revolutionary as well as the series protagonist itself all hail from East Blue. Perhaps some of the more prominent Ancients sought asylum right under the enemies nose rather than fleeing to the far reaches of the earth (Insert speculation as to why here). Perhaps the bridge that's being built in Tequilla Wolf could be some sort of long time goal of the Twenty Kingdoms stemming from their original habitation of East Blue.

Then there's the fact that if the Ancient Kingdom did launch some sort of all out last attack on Mariejois directly, possibly by sailing through paradise; had the attack failed they'd have two options of escape. Either by fleeing deeper into the Grand Line, into the New world and towards the opposite side of revers mountain; or back towards the entrance of the Grand Line. Perhaps they scattered the Poneglyphs as they did so. With the prior group either reaching or creating Raftel. Perhaps they stole back the Ancient Weapons that weren't currently in their possession while doing so. Which would allow for the creation of a nearly impenetrable barricade to protect Raftel which held the Ancient Kingdoms last hope at revenge and returning the world to how it should be. Perhaps the Devil fruits source, the Devil Tree? Lol, was created through use of the Ancient Weapons; all three of them combining to create a fourth and final Weapon. Water (Poseidon), Air (Uranus), Earth (Pluton), requirements for a plants life? With the plants fruit being scattered throughout the world via Reverse mountains currents. <- (Taken from another theory I read a while back on NB; posted by Lili-Chwan I think?). The Devil Fruits of course serving as a means to give individuals power; power to strike back at the newly formed WG's cruelty.

Lastly the fulfillment of someone elses will has been personified throughout One Piece. For instance Luffy ringing the bell at Skpia in the other guys stead along with many other examples. It's only a matter of time until the ultimate will held by a gigantic Kingdom is fulfilled. Which would lead to the Red Line's destruction; the creation of all blue and the destruction of Fishman Island thus fulfilling the prophecy given to Luffy at fishman Island. Along with the ability to fulfill Franky and Nami's dreams.

T_T Fudge this is long.
 

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hmm I like the idea with creating a fourth weapon.

also, Uranus is still a mystery ancient weapon, hence, I always believed Dragon some kind of had it.
 
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Awesome Thread!!!

I'll start by throughing out some support for the Ancient weapons.

Pluton (Pluto)- God of the Underworld, but also a god of wealth. Would make sense as an unequaled warship would be capable of sending mass numbers to the grave (strong enough to destroy islands if not more as I recall), and would bring mass fortune to the one in control of it.

On a side note, Pluton directly relates to Plutonic Rock which would be an intrusive igneous rock AKA Crystalized Magma...which would maybee say the ship was forged using metal or molten hard substance. Compared to the warships made of Wood, Pluton would be far superior especially since cannonballs aren't nearly as efficents on iron, where it would meerely dent, as it is to Wood.

Here's a quote from Wikipedia, "The name was understood as referring to "the boundless riches of the earth, both the crops on its surface." Plouton (Pluton) is another name given to Hades for those who are more enlightened to him as more than the God of the Underworld! So with that I'd say your theory on being capable of land movement or creating land would make sense.

Poseiden- Obviously the God of the Sea....Greek Mythology: The Weapon Rules Under the Sea

Uranus- God of the Sky...Greek Mythology: wouldn't be surprised if somehow Enel's little God Ship happens to be related to Uranus. It could also end up as some sort of specific flying creature IDK XD: The Weapon Rules the Sky. Also, the fact that Uranus will be the last Weapon to be revealed plays on the terms of history. Uranus and Gaia were the parents of the first generation of Titans, and the ancestors of most of the Greek gods. As such, like the ancient civilization they were older or further back than the other two ^.^.

Also, your point on Poseiden also makes sense. Pluton and Uranus have ties to a planet which Poseiden does not...effectively the one that will not be a creation of some kind.
 

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I read a theory some were that for every ancient weapon there is 2 parts!!!
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Thanks babe. <3

hmm I like the idea with creating a fourth weapon.

also, Uranus is still a mystery ancient weapon, hence, I always believed Dragon some kind of had it.

This, dragon probably is or possesses Uranus.
If eneru doesn't have it.
o__o

I read that long text... I cant believe myself... Although i dont think ... ... ... ...anything
Lol, I'll take that as a compliment. u^u

Excellent post. I enjoyed the read. I'll try to come up with an answer :)
Thanks. I'll look forwards to it I guess.

Awesome Thread!!!

I'll start by throughing out some support for the Ancient weapons.

Pluton (Pluto)- God of the Underworld, but also a god of wealth. Would make sense as an unequaled warship would be capable of sending mass numbers to the grave (strong enough to destroy islands if not more as I recall), and would bring mass fortune to the one in control of it.

On a side note, Pluton directly relates to Plutonic Rock which would be an intrusive igneous rock AKA Crystalized Magma...which would maybee say the ship was forged using metal or molten hard substance. Compared to the warships made of Wood, Pluton would be far superior especially since cannonballs aren't nearly as efficents on iron, where it would meerely dent, as it is to Wood.

Here's a quote from Wikipedia, "The name was understood as referring to "the boundless riches of the earth, both the crops on its surface." Plouton (Pluton) is another name given to Hades for those who are more enlightened to him as more than the God of the Underworld! So with that I'd say your theory on being capable of land movement or creating land would make sense.

Poseiden- Obviously the God of the Sea....Greek Mythology: The Weapon Rules Under the Sea

Uranus- God of the Sky...Greek Mythology: wouldn't be surprised if somehow Enel's little God Ship happens to be related to Uranus. It could also end up as some sort of specific flying creature IDK XD: The Weapon Rules the Sky. Also, the fact that Uranus will be the last Weapon to be revealed plays on the terms of history. Uranus and Gaia were the parents of the first generation of Titans, and the ancestors of most of the Greek gods. As such, like the ancient civilization they were older or further back than the other two ^.^.

Also, your point on Poseiden also makes sense. Pluton and Uranus have ties to a planet which Poseiden does not...effectively the one that will not be a creation of some kind.
Thanks for reading and replying. :3
Uranus at the moment seems most likely to be some sort of weather weapon, though I can't even guess as to what form it might have. We've seen weather manipulation several times in One piece, we've seen minor changes created by Nami and so on. There was also a whole group of people (Weatheria?) that dedicaed their time to studying the weather and how to manipulate it. Surely it must've been attempted before. Could also have been the thing that threw the Grandline's weather into discord in the first place to create the seasonal islands, etc..
 

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O__O Okay?



Thanks babe. <3






o__o



Lol, I'll take that as a compliment. u^u



Thanks. I'll look forwards to it I guess.



Thanks for reading and replying. :3
Uranus at the moment seems most likely to be some sort of weather weapon, though I can't even guess as to what form it might have. We've seen weather manipulation several times in One piece, we've seen minor changes created by Nami and so on. There was also a whole group of people (Weatheria?) that dedicaed their time to studying the weather and how to manipulate it. Surely it must've been attempted before. Could also have been the thing that threw the Grandline's weather into discord in the first place to create the seasonal islands, etc..
That's a good point! I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up like that....would deffinatly explain how the second half of the Grand Line's weather is so messed up. Also, it could be that Uranus was a fire and forget weapon, and the Red Line (if it wad made by Pluton) stopped it from spreading throughout the Grand Line.

I'm still guessing the Ancient Civilization were peaceful people or pacifists so my guess is that the WG's people hijacked Uranus and turned it on....the Ancient Civilization, between pacifism and stooping Uranus, didn't have the means to face their enemy. Would make sense that Pluton ended up in Alabasta, being that they had close themselves off from the New World with Pluton!
 

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Interesting theory.

I have two theories for what Uranus can be.
1: Pluton is a warship which is said to be capable of "destroying whole islands". Poseidon is a mermaid which can control Sea Kings. And they are said to be able to "sink islands". And Uranus is speculated to aerial based which I agree. And hence why I think it may be a weapon which does the opposite as what Pluton (destroying) and Poseidon (sinking) do. A weapon which makes islands rise. And I know that's sounds crazy but remember when Capone entered the NW, his ship was beginning to rise into the sky. So perhaps that is a foreshadow of Uranus.

2: I also think that Uranus is a DF. Why? Well, Pluton is a man-made object (a warship) and Poseidon is a living being (mermaid) so how about Uranus being an object, which has living powers I.E. a Devil's Fruit. And what type of DF? I believe a Paramecia-type, weather fruit. And Dragon has it. Makes sense. He (perhaps) saved Luffy with the bolt of lightning and the gust of wind. And got rid of the fire at Grey Terminal. Furthermore, he is known as the world's most dangerous/wanted man. So a man of this title should posses devastating power.
 

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Interesting theory.

I have two theories for what Uranus can be.
1: Pluton is a warship which is said to be capable of "destroying whole islands". Poseidon is a mermaid which can control Sea Kings. And they are said to be able to "sink islands". And Uranus is speculated to aerial based which I agree. And hence why I think it may be a weapon which does the opposite as what Pluton (destroying) and Poseidon (sinking) do. A weapon which makes islands rise. And I know that's sounds crazy but remember when Capone entered the NW, his ship was beginning to rise into the sky. So perhaps that is a foreshadow of Uranus.

2: I also think that Uranus is a DF. Why? Well, Pluton is a man-made object (a warship) and Poseidon is a living being (mermaid) so how about Uranus being an object, which has living powers I.E. a Devil's Fruit. And what type of DF? I believe a Paramecia-type, weather fruit. And Dragon has it. Makes sense. He (perhaps) saved Luffy with the bolt of lightning and the gust of wind. And got rid of the fire at Grey Terminal. Furthermore, he is known as the world's most dangerous/wanted man. So a man of this title should posses devastating power.
Nice points!!!! I'm personally thinking the fact that Pluton and Uranus having planetary names to be a little bit coincidental to the fact that Poseiden does not, and happens to be a person or different. Still, it would definatly make sense if Uranus was in Dragon's possession for the things you claimed. Would also be plausible as a DF for the reasons you mentioned. Still, I just find the Planet connection to probably play as a factor of some sort of weapon. It would be kind of odd if you claimed Weapons, and then only one of them was an actually tangable weapon (just my opinion).

The concept of an Island raiser is really cool! If Luffy used it on Fishmen Island...he'd theoretically be destroying the island by changing its location. Also...it could probably pull up and then drop stuff so it could also work as an island devastator as well.
 
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