[Discussion] Recent Chapter=Mind. BLOWN!

[Sharingdork]

Okay, so in the most recent chapter of the Naruto manga, chapter 564, "No One", there's a lot of new information that Kishi reveals, that makes me do this.

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Now after sifting through various pictures I got that made my mind blow MORE getting that, I'll continue with the Naruto-relatedness of this thread. But before I do, this thread may contain spoilers, and has a couple theories (which will be summerized at the end). Now, onto Naruto.

First and foremost, why in the world would Naruto run smack into Tobi? (

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) Tobi's the guy who's trying to capture him, and Naruto knows it. Naruto even knew that Tobi was there, which makes his move even more curious. (

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) Wheather he was talking to Tobi or Han, it doesn't matter; he knew they were there. But that's getting a few pages ahead; I told myself to take this one page at a time.
Naruto running straight into an enemy he knew was there, and knowing said enemy could easily phase through him and then subdue him with six jinchuriki-level ninja at his disposal, is down-right STUPID; even for Naruto! This leads one to believe that Naruto has a plan up his sleeve, and that the Kyuubi's involved (I'll get to that later). (

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) Also, Tobi turns around and says that he expected more from Naruto.

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This leads more into the "Tobi Identity" section, as it implies that Tobi knows what the Kyuubi can do; or even he could possibly be alluding to the fact that he know's Naruto better than we (the reader) think.
Now, after skipping an awesome Jinchuriki fight (read it if you didn't; that in itself is mind blowing stuff!), we come to a part where Killer Bee makes reference to his sunglasses. (

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A few pages later, the Hachibi makes reference to Bee having his sunglasses even if he was captured like the other Jinchuriki. (

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) What in the world would make Tobi keep Bee's sunglasses if he were captured like the other Jinchuriki? Even as a little kid, he had sunglasses. (

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) Now, after seeing that, I immediatly think "What's so special about Bee's sunglasses?" Now, whatever it is, it has to be enough that he would be forced to wear them even if he was a puppet containing dojutsu, meaning that it's a physical condition. Could it be that was was exposed to bright light as a kid, and now is sensitive (forcing him to wear sunglasses as his a Lightning users), or maybe he's naturallly blind with some sort of sensing that allows him to "see". We may have to wait for next chapter to find out, or possibly even never know...
Later on, Tobi announces that he is no one, and all he cares about is completing the Moons Eye Plan. (

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) "No One" can be used to describe one type of people in the Naruto world (IMO); a clone (bare in mind I'm an advocat of the "Tobi is a Madara Zetsu Clone" theory; I'm going to try and be as unbiased as possible, though). Tobi, the "No One", then goes on to talk about misery. (

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) If he was truely no one, why in the world would he care about misery, and why would he care about using the Moon's Eye Plan to erradicate it. Nothing about Tobi adds up, and I severly apologize if this thread just makes you more angry at the whole Tobi thing.
Down the page I linked above, Naruto states that having a tailed beast isn't all bad. This seems to make the Kyuubi curious. Naruto's meaning behind this could be from a wide array of possiblities, though I like to think of it like this; Naruto has used the Kyuubi time and time again not to harm people, but to save those whom he loves. He used it because he thought Sasuke was dead, triggering an intense emotional responce; he used it on Sasuke when he thought it was the only way to bring him back; he used it against Pain when he thought Hinata was killed, and several other times as well. Naruto see's having a tailed beast only in the positive light of helping others, which the Kyuubi appears to understand, and think about. This could lead to the Kyuubi willingly helping Naruto like the Hachibi does for Bee.
Now, after all of that, I'd like to go onto a little more comical side of this chapter (this one has everything, eh? xd).

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Naruto says that Tobi is one man. Right after he and Bee fought against his six paths. I just had to have a little chuckle at that. But aside from Naruto forgetting about the other six ninja he and Bee have to fight, his speech was excellent, and the final page brings up one final actual mind-blowing concept. Even though they're dead without Bijuu, the six Jinchuriki are able to grow their tailed beasts tails. (

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) Now that I think about it, I go :whoa:. Somehow, they still have Bijuu abilities, and a bit of Bijuu chakra, and a sharingan, and a frikken RINNEGAN!! OP much?

These are my thoughts on the recent chapter, and everything that it made me think about. I'd like to hear what the intellegent side of NarutoBase (that is, the non-trolls, -flammers, -fanboys, -ect.) have to think about this. And remember, this last chapter was epic.

 

[Hipster Madara]

Nice analysis

 

[Floydical]

First off, don't over think the sunglasses reference. I think its as simple as the 8 tails understanding how edo tensei works. Like we all know, Edo Tensei not only brings you back they way your were, but it also brings back your clothing. So Bee would still have his sunglasses since Edo Tensei would bring him back with them on. I think that's all the Hachibi was getting at....

Second, it was kind of expected for all the jins to have their tailed beast powers. I mean considering Kabuto resurrected them at all, it must be because of their jin powers right? I mean they each had strengths, like the 4 tails having a kekkei genkai, but they were all best known for their jin powers and that's why Kabuto brought them out. But ya having Rinnegan + sharingan added to the mix makes each of them quite a bit overpowered. But that's all the more reason for Kishi to have waited to show this battle. Even after the majority of the Madara battle.

 

[Sharingdork]

Nice analysis

thank you.

First off, don't over think the sunglasses reference. I think its as simple as the 8 tails understanding how edo tensei works. Like we all know, Edo Tensei not only brings you back they way your were, but it also brings back your clothing. So Bee would still have his sunglasses since Edo Tensei would bring him back with them on. I think that's all the Hachibi was getting at....

Second, it was kind of expected for all the jins to have their tailed beast powers. I mean considering Kabuto resurrected them at all, it must be because of their jin powers right? I mean they each had strengths, like the 4 tails having a kekkei genkai, but they were all best known for their jin powers and that's why Kabuto brought them out. But ya having Rinnegan + sharingan added to the mix makes each of them quite a bit overpowered. But that's all the more reason for Kishi to have waited to show this battle. Even after the majority of the Madara battle.

Question: Why wouldn't the Hachibi think Tobi would just take them off? That's what I'm getting at. but then again, you may be right (but then how does the Hachibi know so much about Edo Tensei? O_O)

Yeah, it was expected that they can do their KG's (Gaara and his sand proved that.) But they have the ability to sprout Bijuu Tails, dispite the fact that they should have no Bijuu chakra (in theory). ???

 

[Hyperion]

Shit, are you back in Essay mode bro... I was gonna post a review, not like this.
I haven't finished reading yours, but when I do you'll have my feedback.

 

[Sharingdork]

Shit, are you back in Essay mode bro... I was gonna post a review, not like this.
I haven't finished reading yours, but when I do you'll have my feedback.

lol. I'm doing a lot of stuff like this in a class as school, so maybe I should just analyze every chapter, get people to think deeper into it, and get my opinon's out there as well. I'll also be practicing my skills for class. Win, Win, Lose (for people who read the whole thing to be disappointed).

Also, I could add a couple of paragraphs analyzing the jin fight, if you wish.

 

[dareak]

Thank you. Finally someone who can appreciate the recent chapter. This was a pretty good chapter, and the next one will be even better.
All of these childish people who cry every time they don't what they want are getting annoying.

 

[Sharingdork]

Thank you. Finally someone who can appreciate the recent chapter. This was a pretty good chapter, and the next one will be even better.
All of these childish people who cry every time they don't what they want are getting annoying.

Exactly! I appreciate the chapters that set us up for good fights and cliffhangers just as much as the ones that have epic fights and cliffhangers. Especially since most of them have important info. Also, people seem to ignore the EPIC jin fight, and focus on how it was "boring". OPEN YOUR FRIKKEN EYES, PEOPLE!!!

 

[psukkar]

U know at frist when I started reading this I though u were gonna say something like this. "Naruto went to slam tobi's face to imprint some of the fox;s chakra on tobi to use it later to teleport to him" or something to him at will like ftg.

Anyway that was my theory last week when Tsuade said lets leave the ftg tech to fight tobi.


Tobi has mentioned to nagato before they fought that naruto has a strong tech(wind rasengan, as he used it on Kakuzu). And tobi/zetsu were wondering how naruto beat nagato and since zetsu recored the fight tobi would have saw how epic the fox was in that fight against nagato.

Also tobi understands how the shinobi world works vert well as mentioned by muzine at the kage summit he knows all tooo well how the hosts are used and look upon in the shinobi world.


Bee's sun glasses I guess implys an eye sight issue as he likes to hang out in dark areas. This was highlighted ages ago just before he fought sasuke and here and there from then on.

The only thing that we got to know 100% was that dont lose ur tailed beats skills once u lose the beast. Thats it, Sorry dude just gonna say it I didnt fight last chapter epic at all. Reason being no new info what so ever was revealed except the jinchur thing. BAsicly the whole chapter was felt like a comerical break to me. Sorry just gonna tell it like it is.

 

[Fluffyman]

The thing with the sunglasses is easy

He worn them for years(!), he cant take them off once again. His eyes adjusted to that level of light since his childhood, he would be blinded nonstop without any sunglasses. His sunglasses are also very dark and should absorb most of the light so he would be almost blind without them.

 

[Cassiopeia]

I enjoy reading other ppl's thought on the manga. I would be interesting if it did turn out B can't see well.

 

[Sharingdork]

U know at frist when I started reading this I though u were gonna say something like this. "Naruto went to slam tobi's face to imprint some of the fox;s chakra on tobi to use it later to teleport to him" or something to him at will like ftg.

Anyway that was my theory last week when Tsuade said lets leave the ftg tech to fight tobi.


Tobi has mentioned to nagato before they fought that naruto has a strong tech(wind rasengan, as he used it on Kakuzu). And tobi/zetsu were wondering how naruto beat nagato and since zetsu recored the fight tobi would have saw how epic the fox was in that fight against nagato.

Also tobi understands how the shinobi world works vert well as mentioned by muzine at the kage summit he knows all tooo well how the hosts are used and look upon in the shinobi world.


Bee's sun glasses I guess implys an eye sight issue as he likes to hang out in dark areas. This was highlighted ages ago just before he fought sasuke and here and there from then on.

The only thing that we got to know 100% was that dont lose ur tailed beats skills once u lose the beast. Thats it, Sorry dude just gonna say it I didnt fight last chapter epic at all. Reason being no new info what so ever was revealed except the jinchur thing. BAsicly the whole chapter was felt like a comerical break to me. Sorry just gonna tell it like it is.

FTG is plausible... And yeah, his eye thing, but then again, he would be given two new dojutsu to replace his old eyes, which makes the sunglasses thing even more curious...

The thing with the sunglasses is easy

He worn them for years(!), he cant take them off once again. His eyes adjusted to that level of light since his childhood, he would be blinded nonstop without any sunglasses. His sunglasses are also very dark and should absorb most of the light so he would be almost blind without them.

agreed, but consider this. His eyes would be replaced with two new eyes; and eyes containing dojutsu at that! there's something deeper there, and I'd like to know what it is...

I enjoy reading other ppl's thought on the manga. I would be interesting if it did turn out B can't see well.

After thinking over the "Bee's Blind" thing, I came up with a conclusion that, if that's true, he could be using electrical signals like sonar, in order to tell where things are. That way, he "sees", without being a sensor and knowing what's comming jutsu-wise (as he's shown being a normal ninja before Samehada sensing-wise).

 

[Mizukata]

man you write pretty nicely!awsome review...in my opinion naruto also has a plan...and i some what get it...naruto did not call the fox a demon but a conpanion... the sunglasses thing well i think it is just because of the style...

 

[Sharingdork]

man you write pretty nicely!awsome review...in my opinion naruto also has a plan...and i some what get it...naruto did not call the fox a demon but a conpanion... the sunglasses thing well i think it is just because of the style...

Naruto's trying to get the fox on his side. "Good puppy... "

can't be. if Tobi took over his body like the other jinchuriki, Bee would still have his sunglasses. why wouldn't Tobi be able to take them off of Bee? there's something more there...

 

[MissShakra]

Okay, so in the most recent chapter of the Naruto manga, chapter 564, "No One", there's a lot of new information that Kishi reveals, that makes me do this.

Spoiler

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Now after sifting through various pictures I got that made my mind blow MORE getting that, I'll continue with the Naruto-relatedness of this thread. But before I do, this thread may contain spoilers, and has a couple theories (which will be summerized at the end). Now, onto Naruto.

First and foremost, why in the world would Naruto run smack into Tobi? (

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) Tobi's the guy who's trying to capture him, and Naruto knows it. Naruto even knew that Tobi was there, which makes his move even more curious. (

You must be registered for see links

) Wheather he was talking to Tobi or Han, it doesn't matter; he knew they were there. But that's getting a few pages ahead; I told myself to take this one page at a time.
Naruto running straight into an enemy he knew was there, and knowing said enemy could easily phase through him and then subdue him with six jinchuriki-level ninja at his disposal, is down-right STUPID; even for Naruto! This leads one to believe that Naruto has a plan up his sleeve, and that the Kyuubi's involved (I'll get to that later). (

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) Also, Tobi turns around and says that he expected more from Naruto.

You must be registered for see links

This leads more into the "Tobi Identity" section, as it implies that Tobi knows what the Kyuubi can do; or even he could possibly be alluding to the fact that he know's Naruto better than we (the reader) think.
Now, after skipping an awesome Jinchuriki fight (read it if you didn't; that in itself is mind blowing stuff!), we come to a part where Killer Bee makes reference to his sunglasses. (

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A few pages later, the Hachibi makes reference to Bee having his sunglasses even if he was captured like the other Jinchuriki. (

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) What in the world would make Tobi keep Bee's sunglasses if he were captured like the other Jinchuriki? Even as a little kid, he had sunglasses. (

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) Now, after seeing that, I immediatly think "What's so special about Bee's sunglasses?" Now, whatever it is, it has to be enough that he would be forced to wear them even if he was a puppet containing dojutsu, meaning that it's a physical condition. Could it be that was was exposed to bright light as a kid, and now is sensitive (forcing him to wear sunglasses as his a Lightning users), or maybe he's naturallly blind with some sort of sensing that allows him to "see". We may have to wait for next chapter to find out, or possibly even never know...
Later on, Tobi announces that he is no one, and all he cares about is completing the Moons Eye Plan. (

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) "No One" can be used to describe one type of people in the Naruto world (IMO); a clone (bare in mind I'm an advocat of the "Tobi is a Madara Zetsu Clone" theory; I'm going to try and be as unbiased as possible, though). Tobi, the "No One", then goes on to talk about misery. (

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) If he was truely no one, why in the world would he care about misery, and why would he care about using the Moon's Eye Plan to erradicate it. Nothing about Tobi adds up, and I severly apologize if this thread just makes you more angry at the whole Tobi thing.
Down the page I linked above, Naruto states that having a tailed beast isn't all bad. This seems to make the Kyuubi curious. Naruto's meaning behind this could be from a wide array of possiblities, though I like to think of it like this; Naruto has used the Kyuubi time and time again not to harm people, but to save those whom he loves. He used it because he thought Sasuke was dead, triggering an intense emotional responce; he used it on Sasuke when he thought it was the only way to bring him back; he used it against Pain when he thought Hinata was killed, and several other times as well. Naruto see's having a tailed beast only in the positive light of helping others, which the Kyuubi appears to understand, and think about. This could lead to the Kyuubi willingly helping Naruto like the Hachibi does for Bee.
Now, after all of that, I'd like to go onto a little more comical side of this chapter (this one has everything, eh? xd).

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Naruto says that Tobi is one man. Right after he and Bee fought against his six paths. I just had to have a little chuckle at that. But aside from Naruto forgetting about the other six ninja he and Bee have to fight, his speech was excellent, and the final page brings up one final actual mind-blowing concept. Even though they're dead without Bijuu, the six Jinchuriki are able to grow their tailed beasts tails. (

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) Now that I think about it, I go :whoa:. Somehow, they still have Bijuu abilities, and a bit of Bijuu chakra, and a sharingan, and a frikken RINNEGAN!! OP much?

These are my thoughts on the recent chapter, and everything that it made me think about. I'd like to hear what the intellegent side of NarutoBase (that is, the non-trolls, -flammers, -fanboys, -ect.) have to think about this. And remember, this last chapter was epic.

i like it! i do agree that i was disappointed we didnt learn Tobi's identity, but it seems to be very important so i think the wait will be well worth it! as far as the chapter goes, its curious to see the Jinns having their cloaks...what does that mean for Gaara's shukaku? will we ever know? like was that power divided up between the jinns? or what about the 3 tails (i think) in that filler arc with Guren?

We did learn more about Tobi, including the fact that someone mentioned how Tobi made the remark to B and N about being a jinn should be miserable or what not, almost like he could have had experience. I wonder if he isnt a new somewhat character, but either a clone or experiment that escaped or became more powerful than his captors? so many theories and possibilities!

I def agree that i think Naruto has a plan up his sleeve. I think this means Tobi cannot become intangible around Naruto with the Kyuubi's power and that will change this fight a bit (at least for Tobi, i know B and N still have to deal with the other Jins!)

Kyuubi is obviously growing more fond of Naruto in a sense, if you think about it Naruto has treated him pretty good compared to what we can imagine Madara did so hopefully your right. I do completely agree that if anyone knows who Tobi is and all teh history down to the last detail it would be a tailed beast or mainly the Kyuubi. Great job! there was alot of detail in this chapter so i cannot complain much at all...the suspense is just killing me!!

 

[MissShakra]

man you write pretty nicely!awsome review...in my opinion naruto also has a plan...and i some what get it...naruto did not call the fox a demon but a conpanion... the sunglasses thing well i think it is just because of the style...

it might not be a huge deal, but i do think there just might be something up with those glasses, mainly because if B was gonna be concerned about losing something besides the Hachibi or his own life, his sunglasses would be the last thing he should think about, unless theres more to them!