Recent Chapter makes Hashirama more powerful than Hagoromo

[KingHashirama]

No Big Diff ? Sure ofc . 50% = 100% .

you mean 95% to 100%..

You people really bore me with this unsupported crap.

 

[Ken Masters]

The ammount of stupidness in this thread is over 9000 .

If you have a problem with the thread then I dare you to prove it wrong with manga pages. Anyone could post BS with no pages

 

[Liquid Snake]

And how do ppl know hagos brother was on par with him and the god tree his the creator of chakra that's a way harder opponent then edo madara who destroyed hashi stop saying studid shit to compare hashi to hago when its clear hashi won't even beat indra. The only feat hashi has is defeating madara and sealing the kyuubi that's nothing compared to hago

 

[Ken Masters]

exactly this

If you didn't read then don't post

 

[Exaar]

We now know that Sage needed his brother to seal the Juubi. A brother who was on par with him.

Never stated he needed his brother.

Never stated his brother was on par with him.

Now lets talk about his sons- Indra and Ashura as seen are clearly not as strong as VOTE SM Hashirama and VOTE EMS Madara.

What do you mean "Clearly", We saw one panel of a Ps and some chakra cloak. Nothing is clear at all, It's just wishful thinking on your behalf.

We also know that Hashirama (who isn't at his full power)

They were brought back at virtually full power, So there is barely any difference between Edo Hashi and living Hashi. So this argument is hardly a game changer.

 

[Ken Masters]

And how do ppl know hagos brother was on par with him and the god tree his the creator of chakra that's a way harder opponent then edo madara who destroyed hashi stop saying studid shit to compare hashi to hago when its clear hashi won't even beat indra. The only feat hashi has is defeating madara and sealing the kyuubi that's nothing compared to hago

Just as how you know that Hagos brother has 50% of Juubi and Hashirama only dealt with that 50%

You can't prove this thread wrong

 

[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

WHAT?!

*sigh

It is unknown how much of the Juubi was sealed into Hagoromo, because he himself said, "We sealed the Juubi into us" referring to himself and his brother.

Unless anyone can refute this claim?

Then on top of the fact that he may have only been holding 50% of the Juubi's power, (I just say 50% because it's a perfect split between the sage and his brother), the Juubi that Hashirama pinned down didn't have full Kyuubi or full Hachibi.

So... moot point?

Hashirama isn't stronger than the Sage.

 

[Ken Masters]

Never stated he needed his brother.

Never stated his brother was on par with him.



What do you mean "Clearly", We saw one panel of a Ps and some chakra cloak. Nothing is clear at all, It's just wishful thinking on your behalf.



They were brought back at virtually full power, So there is barely any difference between Edo Hashi and living Hashi. So this argument is hardly a game changer.

It wasn't stated but it was shown. #Fact
Brothers shared the Juubi meaning they were equal. #Another fact


Well Indra only had PS and MS and he was matched by Ashura. Madara however had EMS, PS, Kurama plus war experience and yet he was bested by Hashirama. This makes it quite clear.


As seen in recent chapters, Madara confirmed the Edos aren't at their full potential and that's what he felt when he beat Tobirama. Even Hashirama said that Madara somehow gained his past powers after he was RT'd so there's a big difference afterall

 

[KingHashirama]

Never stated he needed his brother.

Never stated his brother was on par with him.



What do you mean "Clearly", We saw one panel of a Ps and some chakra cloak. Nothing is clear at all, It's just wishful thinking on your behalf.



They were brought back at virtually full power, So there is barely any difference between Edo Hashi and living Hashi. So this argument is hardly a game changer.

They also can't bright out their true powers, and virtually can be 90% or 80% depending on how you look at it..

 

[Ken Masters]

WHAT?!

*sigh

It is unknown how much of the Juubi was sealed into Hagoromo, because he himself said, "We sealed the Juubi into us" referring to himself and his brother.

Unless anyone can refute this claim?

Then on top of the fact that he may have only be holding 50% of the Juubi's power, (I just say 50% because it's a perfect split between the sage and his brother), the Juubi that Hashirama pinned down didn't have full Kyuubi or full Hachibi.

So... moot point?

Hashirama isn't stronger than the Sage.

Hashirama himself wasn't at full power, Madara said that Edo Hokages were pitiful compared to their alive counterparts. The manga has enough proof to confirm Hashirama > Non-Jin Hagoromo

 

[Ken Masters]

WHAT?!

*sigh

It is unknown how much of the Juubi was sealed into Hagoromo, because he himself said, "We sealed the Juubi into us" referring to himself and his brother.

Unless anyone can refute this claim?

Then on top of the fact that he may have only be holding 50% of the Juubi's power, (I just say 50% because it's a perfect split between the sage and his brother), the Juubi that Hashirama pinned down didn't have full Kyuubi or full Hachibi.

So... moot point?

Hashirama isn't stronger than the Sage.

Hashirama himself wasn't at full power, Madara said that Edo Hokages were pitiful compared to their alive counterparts. The manga has enough proof to confirm Hashirama > Non-Jin Hagoromo

 

[RikudoKami]

There are 2 Juubis one yin the other yang. Hagoromo and his brother each possessed 50% of the real Juubi. Hagoromo split his half up into 9 pieces, his brother probably left the Juubi inside him. Both brothers were virtually equal. There's a possibility of there being 9 more tailed beasts.

 

[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

Hashirama himself wasn't at full power, Madara said that Edo Hokages were pitiful compared to their alive counterparts. The manga has enough proof to confirm Hashirama > Non-Jin Hagoromo

But... he was an edo. So that in itself is largely advantageous with a near infinitely regenerating chakra pool.

And Tobirama says that it was virtually full power.

And no, the manga has not in anyway suggested that the sage as a non jin is weaker than Hashirama. That's just your jaded interpretation of it.

 

[Exaar]

They also can't bright out their true powers, and virtually can be 90% or 80% depending on how you look at it..

Still it's hardly a good argument, They are at virtually at full power, The fact Tobirama stated this must mean this "True Power" is again hardly a game changer or anything massive.

Neither Tobirama nor hashirama have commented on Edo tensei reducing their power to the point it's significant. Unless one of the senju brothers state this, Them being at virtually full power means they are basically as strong as they are in life.

 

[Gorik FIGULLE]

the more i read the comments that agree with op the more my IQ is suppressed from increasing

 

[Lord Tywin]

Rinnegan>wood
Sage probably didn't have a restricting jutsu like the gates, so he probably had to out muscle juubi. Also moon size ct>anything in hashirama's arsenal

 

[Ken Masters]

There are 2 Juubis one yin the other yang. Hagoromo and his brother each possessed 50% of the real Juubi. Hagoromo split his half up into 9 pieces, his brother probably left the Juubi inside him. Both brothers were virtually equal. There's a possibility of there being 9 more tailed beasts.

Seems Plausible

But... he was an edo. So that in itself is largely advantageous with a near infinitely regenerating chakra pool.

And Tobirama says that it was virtually full power.

And no, the manga has not in anyway suggested that the sage as a non jin is weaker than Hashirama. That's just your jaded interpretation of it.

Edos have infinite chakra but it doesn't give chakra boost. Hashirama was never put of chakra so your point isn't valid in this case

Madara's interpretation > Tobirama's interpretation

Manga did suggest it, otherwise I wouldn't have made this thread.

 

[Ken Masters]

the more i read the comments that agree with op the more my IQ is suppressed from increasing

Well it's hard to increase IQ if it's less than 50

Rinnegan>wood
Sage probably didn't have a restricting jutsu like the gates, so he probably had to out muscle juubi. Also moon size ct>anything in hashirama's arsenal

That happened after he became the Jinchuriki. This means you posted without reading

 

[Exaar]

Madara's interpretation > Tobirama's interpretation

So Madara knows more about Tobirama's power than Tobirama himself?

 

[Bogard]

Madara leveled up a lot compared to his last confrontation with the brothers. When they remained at a standstil in power, he improved. It's for that reason they seemed weaker, not because they were actually weaker, but because he was stronger. As for the thread, that was a good joke. I admit lol