Reasons why Onoki is stronger than Itachi

[Bogard]

I believe Onoki is stronger than Itachi and here are my reasons.

Genjutsu:

Since Onoki is a flying opponent, it will be very difficult for Itachi to put him in a genjutsu. In fact close range genjutsus like

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couldn't even be used unless Onoki decides to fly within Itachis Tsukuyomi range

Onoki has also some other methods to avoid Itachis genjutsu like using Rock Bunshin for example:

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And we all know that genjutsus are

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Besides from that, Onoki also has a great experience fighting a much more power MS(and even EMS) user since a young age, so it should be expected that he already know basical things that should be avoided. And he has even already shown he is aware about Sharingan genjutsus, probably thanks to that experience fighting Madara or even before that. And we can clearly see it when he advise others not to look directly into his eyes:

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Like he is also careful enough to save Raikage just in time and disturb his chakra controlled by Madaras genjutsu:

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Madara even acknowledge Onokis experience there

Amaterasu:

Since Amaterasu is also

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, and Itachi needs

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to aim, it will be very difficult for Itachi to land the attack on Onoki who is a flying fighter, especially if he is under pressure of countering his attacks like Jinton or the golem for example. Furthermore, even if he lands it, it may even touch a rock bunshin, which is a perfect counter for it. The Golem can actually also be a good counter

Advantages Onoki has over Itachi:

Since he is a flying fighter, Itachi doesn't have a lot jutsus that could handle him. Besides from genjutsu, he would most likely have to ressort to Susanoo, especially when we know how powerful Jinton is. Unfortunately for Itachi, Susanoo is not enough to counter Jinton especially when we know that it was able

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from Madara(and even Madara himself included), Susanoo that were

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than what Itachi even usually uses in a fight

Sure you can say that Itachi can probably evade some Jinton attacks with Karasu Bunshins or something but until when? Especially when we know that Jinton is an attack that can be used

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, and which covers

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, so difficult to dodge

The only thing that saved

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from Jinton is

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, something that Itachi doesn't possess

I only see yata mirror which could probably counter Jinton, but it's not even sure especially when we know that Yata only covers one angle

Besides from that, Onoki has shown to have also incredible golem he can use

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even against

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, or against

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He has also shown that he was able to use his golem

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from underground and

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, something he can surely use to take advantage of Susanoos weakness for example(underground)

Furthermore he only needs to touch you once

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with his jutsu. And he has even shown the skill to be able

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(notice that Susanoos infront of him are trembling)

Eventhough Onoki is old, he will most likely also have the advantage in stamina, since alive Itachi couldn't spamm his MS techniques. Using Susanoo would only make his body suffer more and more, so he will be in danger more the fight would last long, and against an overpowered jutsu like Jinton, he can maybe only protect himself with Yata mirror
So with golem as a defense, flying and spamming Jinton

So these are the reason why i believe that Onoki is stronger than Itachi. Now it's only my opinion, so hope you enjoyed reading:ice:

 

[Dantee]

Amaterasu/ Thread.

Gonna edit this post. There is more than enough valid reasons why Itachi beat Onnoki.

I.E finger genjutsu, Onnoki jinton takes prep and leaves him vurnerable to many moves like Amaterasu, Genjutsu etc.

He can't dodge Amaterasu and it's obvious you're a hater lol!


However when were talking about Hashirama you can hardly pull off 1 good reason but he can beat Muu or Onnoki as well! It's hilarious rllly.

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

This is a case where you have two HAX opponents.

The battle will be decided by fanboys xd

Granted, you make very good logical points, but someone could craft an equally compelling argument based largely around genjutsu and "out-smarting".

So I say that it really depends on the situation, the method of attack by either one (assassination vs head on fight), the environment, and preparation time.

I say Itachi wins 6/10 times.

 

[Narutohokage7]

Itachi wins.

 

[earthsoul]

Nice analysis +rep

 

[EZQ]

humm... i personally believe itachi takes this 6/10

exelent anallysis, but you didn't anallyisis itachi's advantages

 

[Scooby Doo]

Why did you put so much effort into this?
You really have valid points, but what's with finger genjutsu for example, and Itachi has Yata mirror (which Madara did'nt possess) so Jinton is practically useless.

 

[CharlieBundels]

Jokes aside.

I think this would be a very interesting fight. Itachi could cause Onoki some problems in the air due to Katon or the reach of his totsuka blade. I think Itachi would win this more times than Onoki. His Yata mirror is worthy enough to defend against jinton as well. Itachi's stamina is the problem here though.

 

[Bogard]

Why did you put so much effort into this?
You really have valid points, but what's with finger genjutsu for example, and Itachi has Yata mirror (which Madara did'nt possess) so Jinton is practically useless.

Read, Yata mirror only covers one angle like i've said, and it's not even sure that Yata could counter Jinton especially if the Jinton is used on the whole Susanoo(so Yata won't make a difference). About the finger genjutsu, Itachi needs

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just in order to prepare it, and it's also a close range genjutsu. So he won't have time for that if he is on the pressure. Furthermore even if he manages to use it, like i've shown on my thread, Onoki has shown the skill to be able to break an EMS genjutsu, so Onoki could most likely break that finger genjutsu which is much more weaker

 

[Bogard]

concentrate at first, after that it can be spammed even if he dodges the first one the next one will catch him

What are you talking about?

 

[CharlieBundels]

Screw it, he summons that crow and makes it fly to Onoki so it uses KA.

 

[Summer]

It would probly be a draw if they fought.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Read, Yata mirror only covers one angle like i've said, and it's not even sure that Yata could counter Jinton especially if the Jinton is used on the whole Susanoo(so Yata won't make a difference). About the finger genjutsu, Itachi needs

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just in order to prepare it, and it's also a close range genjutsu. So he won't have time for that if he is on the pressure. Furthermore even if he manages to use it, like i've shown on my thread, Onoki has shown the skill to be able to break an EMS genjutsu, so Onoki could most likely break that finger genjutsu which is much more weaker

Ok I missed those points But Itachi is faster so I think that he would cast his jutsu sooner than Onoki,and sharingan can read movements (though in this match it's not so important). You say that Onoki makes a few clones, they surround Itachi and destroy him with Jinton? I don't think it's that simple . Besides, it's true that Amaterasu needs some prep time, but once it is ready, Onoki won't be able to avoid it.

 

[Kinimaster]

Lol Itachi alone would have done more against Madara than Onooki and A together. He knows quite well how to fight the Rin'negan and Sharingan, this is just a thread downplaying Itachi again....by you.. lol

 

[Bogard]

Ok I missed those points But Itachi is faster so I think that he would cast his jutsu sooner than Onoki,and sharingan can read movements (though in this match it's not so important). You say that Onoki makes a few clones, they surround Itachi and destroy him with Jinton? I don't think it's that simple . Besides, it's true that Amaterasu needs some prep time, but once it is ready, Onoki won't be able to avoid it.

Like you said yourself, it's not that simple. Both of them have counters. Like i've said Onoki can use rock Bunshins to counter them, he also has his Golem defense. Now i'm not saying he could easily defeat Itachi with Jinton, but Itachi eventhough he is fast would have a hard time to counter it. I doubt that even yata could protect him effectively

 

[Scooby Doo]

Like you said yourself, it's not that simple. Both of them have counters. Like i've said Onoki can use rock Bunshins to counter them, he also has his Golem defense. Now i'm not saying he could easily defeat Itachi with Jinton, but Itachi eventhough he is fast would have a hard time to counter it. I doubt that even yata could protect him effectively

But what I'm trying to say is that Onoki is not a sensor like Nagato so he won't know when Itachi is going to use Amaterasu, (and its prep time is not that much), so by the time Onoki would try to form seals to counter amaterasu, he would have already gotten hit with it.

 

[Bogard]

But what I'm trying to say is that Onoki is not a sensor like Nagato so he won't know when Itachi is going to use Amaterasu, (and its prep time is not that much), so by the time Onoki would try to form seals to counter amaterasu, he would have already gotten hit with it.

A is not a sensor but he still had time to prepare his lightning armor V2 to evade, Darui and Shee even had time to notice what was going to happen by feeling the pressure. A pressure Jiraya also noticed in part1 when Itachi evaded with Amaterasu, a pressure Killer-Bee also noticed when he met Itachi and even had time to attack him with his blade before Itachi releases his Amaterasu

 

[Meowazziel]

I believe Onoki is stronger than Itachi and here are my reasons.

Genjutsu:

Since Onoki is a flying opponent, it will be very difficult for Itachi to put him in a genjutsu. In fact close range genjutsus like

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couldn't even be used unless Onoki decides to fly within Itachis Tsukuyomi range

Onoki has also some other methods to avoid Itachis genjutsu like using Rock Bunshin for example:

Spoiler

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And we all know that genjutsus are

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Besides from that, Onoki also has a great experience fighting a much more power MS(and even EMS) user since a young age, so it should be expected that he already know basical things that should be avoided. And he has even already shown he is aware about Sharingan genjutsus, probably thanks to that experience fighting Madara or even before that. And we can clearly see it when he advise others not to look directly into his eyes:

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Like he is also careful enough to save Raikage just in time and disturb his chakra controlled by Madaras genjutsu:

You must be registered for see images

Madara even acknowledge Onokis experience there

Amaterasu:

Since Amaterasu is also

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, and Itachi needs

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to aim, it will be very difficult for Itachi to land the attack on Onoki who is a flying fighter, especially if he is under pressure of countering his attacks like Jinton or the golem for example. Furthermore, even if he lands it, it may even touch a rock bunshin, which is a perfect counter for it. The Golem can actually also be a good counter

Advantages Onoki has over Itachi:

Since he is a flying fighter, Itachi doesn't have a lot jutsus that could handle him. Besides from genjutsu, he would most likely have to ressort to Susanoo, especially when we know how powerful Jinton is. Unfortunately for Itachi, Susanoo is not enough to counter Jinton especially when we know that it was able

You must be registered for see links

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from Madara(and even Madara himself included), Susanoo that were

You must be registered for see links

than what Itachi even usually uses in a fight

Sure you can say that Itachi can probably evade some Jinton attacks with Karasu Bunshins or something but until when? Especially when we know that Jinton is an attack that can be used

You must be registered for see links

, and which covers

You must be registered for see links

, so difficult to dodge

The only thing that saved

You must be registered for see links

from Jinton is

You must be registered for see links

, something that Itachi doesn't possess

I only see yata mirror which could probably counter Jinton, but it's not even sure especially when we know that Yata only covers one angle

Besides from that, Onoki has shown to have also incredible golem he can use

You must be registered for see links

You must be registered for see links

even against

You must be registered for see links

, or against

You must be registered for see links

He has also shown that he was able to use his golem

You must be registered for see links

from underground and

You must be registered for see links

, something he can surely use to take advantage of Susanoos weakness for example(underground)

Furthermore he only needs to touch you once

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with his jutsu. And he has even shown the skill to be able

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(notice that Susanoos infront of him are trembling)

Eventhough Onoki is old, he will most likely also have the advantage in stamina, since alive Itachi couldn't spamm his MS techniques. Using Susanoo would only make his body suffer more and more, so he will be in danger more the fight would last long, and against an overpowered jutsu like Jinton, he can maybe only protect himself with Yata mirror
So with golem as a defense, flying and spamming Jinton

So these are the reason why i believe that Onoki is stronger than Itachi. Now it's only my opinion, so hope you enjoyed reading:ice:

I wouldnt say that onoki is stronger than itachi in general, but onoki counters itachi, and would probably defeat him in a fight.
Rock paper scissors.

+ rep. Lot of effort in your thread i can see.

 

[Scooby Doo]

A is not a sensor but he still had time to prepare his lightning armor V2 to evade, Darui and Shee even had time to notice what was going to happen by feeling the pressure. A pressure Jiraya also noticed in part1 when Itachi evaded with Amaterasu, a pressure Killer-Bee also noticed when he met Itachi and even had time to attack him with his blade before Itachi releases his Amaterasu

Ok, then Onoki can protect against amaterasu. But still, I say that Jinton is useless because of Yata mirror. And if you say that Onoki can make clones to destroy susanoo from more angles, then Itachi can also make clones. But let's say it can go either way.

 

[TurrinB]

I think Onoki vs Itachi would be a close fight, but I lean towards Itachi, just due to his greater plot importance.