[Discussion] Reasons why hagoromo dizpoints me+ why Madara is a true Hero

[minamoto]

I WILL GO STRAIGHT TO THE POINT !!!!!!

-why doesn't Hagoromo just meet Madara and explain him all this shitt??

-OR why did hagoromo choose to appear when the world is about to end..i mean why not befor?

-Ok now i give you my Honest opinion without Bias or fanboying....

MADARA IS FVCKING RIGHT AND NOT HAGOROMO !!!!!!

-when the sage gave his powers to sasuke and Naruto, he was just creating a new cycle of Hatred and a world full of contradictions..

-even if sasuke and Naruto combine their powers and manage to defeat Madara,they will someday end up fighting each others...and even if they dont figtht each other someone will have desire to steal their powers (orochimaru) and become the dark side...

-Madara understood this shitt better then hagoromo :"as long as there's light,there'salso darkness"

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-Hagoromo sees the problem in misusing chakra...while Madara sees the problem in chakra itself...

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-so as long as chakra keep existing, there will be always 2 opposite sides :

1)those who use chakra for noble ends
2)and those who use it for evil ends

-and the desire to obtain chakra creats wars

-the sources of all chakra is the JUUBI shinju....wasn't Hagoromo the one who created the 9 bijuus full of chakra??...

he sealed an empty shell of juubi that has 5% of chakra within the moon and he let the 9 bijuus full of chakra roam free in the world??..is this a wise decision that A SAGE would do?...really?...hence madara is right if the sage left those bijuus with hope that their chakra may be used in noble ends...madara is using the powers of the 9 bijuus to creat a dream world...but guess what??...this infinit tsukoyomi at the same time is going to devoid the world itself from that evil chakra.....

-why madara is a unique villain

This how the Naruto world functions

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what Madara did is that he tricked this rule....(Genious!!!!)....Madara with his free will decided to be that dark side (villain)...But !!!!!...a villain who wanted to bring peace to the world...so madara isn't like other classical villains we used to see in other mangas...in other words Madara is both good side and dark sides..kishimoto should be proud of creating a unique character like madara..

-for me its hagoromo who is a Madara version gone wrong and not the contrary....

-Madara become so powerfull becuz of the 9 bijuus the sage created long time ago...so its hagoromo's fault...now what hagoromo is doing is trying to clean his dirty hands and flee from the responsibility and stick this shitt to naruto and sasuke by giving them his powers..thus creating a new cycle of hatred wich madara himself is trying to stop..

-plzz dont get me wrong...becuz my reall point is that Hagoromo is a wise man and the founder of ninshu..i wished his answer could be more convincing ....

-even if Madara gets defeated he will always be winner in matter of pricniples in wich hagoromo fails to counter-
argument him...



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[Salomia]

Yeah,and Madara just like Kaguya is trying to create a world full of sclaves for him.Dafaq have you been reading?He doesn't want peace,he wants power.It's the principle of Yin-Yang.You can't have only winners.

 

[Vkdude]

Hmmmm .. good point! ... I think this cycle will only end if the entire shinobi world becomes united .. not juxt the five nations but other lands as well .. only then there can be peace

 

[Vkdude]

but saying that madara is a hero isn't the right thing .. I mean he juxt wants to rule the world .. hez juxt pretending to use the infinite tsukoyoumi to create peace but in reality he juxt wants to rule over all !

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

Hagoromo saw what happened with the world when his mom was doing the same as Madara was and he knows the outcome of Madara's plans. So, he has a reason for doing this. Also, I think he is giving both Naruto and Sasuke power, because he said that the reason Indra became like that was because the sage neglected his eldest son, that's why wants to prevent the same thing from happening and leave everything up to both Naruto and Sasuke.

 

[ANiMUS]

Hagoromo has the power of foresight, this means that he saw that this was the pivotal point in which he, by interfering could change the course of the world. Also Madz isn't getting tnj'd by the Sage.

Madara doesn't even really want peace anymore, he just wants the world which gave him such tragic experiences to end and to gain enough power where not even destiny can stop him.

 

[JesseBlack]

Dude I get what your saying but you have to remember that Madara is batshit insane and is obsessed with power he creating the dreamworld to save it but he also doing this so he can control all the power in the world. And if chakra is so evil they why is Madara constantly trying to get more chakra (senju DNA and the ten tails) he falling flat on his own goal by becoming the most powerful

 

[KillerbYo]

What makes u think Madara would listen he is blinded by power...

Because when the world is about to end that is when he is needed people are adults they should be able to take care of themselves.

He gave his power to them so that they could stop Madara, and by focusing on Sasuke and not just Naruto he broke the cycle.

Sasuke and Naruto are destined to fight eachother no matter what Hagoromo does.

Ok im getting tierd now, but ye your wrong.

 

[New knight48]

Madara is no hero. He is a butt hurt **** who hates the world. No matter what hagoromo says about ashura or Indra, madara is stubborn. Also I think the only people he can communicate withlike that are people who have his sons spirits and whom he accepts as true reincarnations who have the fate of the world in their hands. Hagoromo is one of the most intelligent characters I've seen in naruto.

 

[Uzumakisan]

Hagoromo was wrong cause he choose his son whose:

Believed love was the answer, loved and respected his comrades and believed in cooperation for greatness

Instead of his other son which believed power was the answer and didn't care about anyone else besides him?

And Madara is a hero?
Cheating, lying and stepping over anyone who crosses his path.
"The end justifies the means"?

Seriouly? Whats wrong with these people today?

 

[minamoto]

Hagoromo was wrong cause he choose his son whose:

Believed love was the answer, loved and respected his comrades and believed in cooperation for greatness

Instead of his other son which believed power was the answer and didn't care about anyone else besides him?

And Madara is a hero?
Cheating, lying and stepping over anyone who crosses his path.
"The end justifies the means"?

Seriouly? Whats wrong with these people today?

whats wrong with poeple..hmm..good kestion..here is the answer :

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[SixPathsOfTobi]

You can't have only winners.[/FONT]

Yes you can, but in madara's thing the only winner will be madara.

 

[Uzumakisan]

If Madara is THAT a "good boy" why doesn't he looks into a mirror, put himself on a Genjutsu and live happy and forever?
He just want to control the world and whatever...

It's like when he was happy for being revived from ET, he was immortal.
Why did he need to cheat Obito to revive him? Even if that means Obitos death?

Living inside an ilusion is not the same as living.
Like living as a ET is not the same as being alive.

 

[Zakler2k9]

madara become villain so that all shinobi world becomes united to fight him ... just like "Last Exile - fam the silver wing" shitty ending

 

[the last shinobi]

I fully understand what the OP is saying and I agree.

Basically the terrible world that madara grew up in (which he wanted to change since a child) stemmed from sage of the 6 paths

Madara tried with the first to create a village but even then he saw that would not create peace because he knew that the senju held ill will towards the uchiha and that eventually they be ostracized. Which turned out to be true.

madara even warned the hashi that creating the village will lead to more fighting with other villages which turned out to be true

Madara has the best understanding of the ninja world and has been trying to change it his whole life and even after his death realizing that people understanding one another in reality is pure bs

Madara isn't the hero the ninja world wants but he is the hero that it needs

 

[Ultimateone]

OP i don't think you understand. madara's purpose for the infinite tsukiyomi is not peace, it's for power. madara wants to be a god, and rule over the world with absolute power. he wants to gain the power of the fruit so he can gain the ultimate power. the infinite tsukiyomi is just the means by which he can gain said power, and manipulate obito into helping him. think about madara's personality, he loves to fight, and beat people. why would he ever make a place where there are no winners, that would be boring for him. add to the fact he was adament that he be the one who activates infinite tsukiyomi and not obito, throws his peace talk out the window.

 

[minamoto]

I fully understand what the OP is saying and I agree.

Basically the terrible world that madara grew up in (which he wanted to change since a child) stemmed from sage of the 6 paths

Madara tried with the first to create a village but even then he saw that would not create peace because he knew that the senju held ill will towards the uchiha and that eventually they be ostracized. Which turned out to be true.

madara even warned the hashi that creating the village will lead to more fighting with other villages which turned out to be true

Madara has the best understanding of the ninja world and has been trying to change it his whole life and even after his death realizing that people understanding one another in reality is pure bs

Madara isn't the hero the ninja world wants but he is the hero that it needs

-madara is right not in his moon eye plan but in his questioning the problematic of the ninja world...he is right becuz no matter what poeple try they could never understand each others....its like a cursed fate...madara found the Moon eye plan as perfect answer to all this problems...if you look at the MEP from another pespective...its the atheist version of the afterlife....god one day will ressurect poeple in judgement day and finish the reality and creat 2 worlds hparadise or hell...madara wants to be kami who will creat judgment day where only paradise and good emotions exist....this is when a mind reaches its highest level of maturity starts to think like that...thats why even hagoromo can't understand Madara........HAGOROMO THE SAGE OF THE WRONG PATH !!!

 

[minamoto]

OP i don't think you understand. madara's purpose for the infinite tsukiyomi is not peace, it's for power. madara wants to be a god, and rule over the world with absolute power. he wants to gain the power of the fruit so he can gain the ultimate power. the infinite tsukiyomi is just the means by which he can gain said power, and manipulate obito into helping him. think about madara's personality, he loves to fight, and beat people. why would he ever make a place where there are no winners, that would be boring for him. add to the fact he was adament that he be the one who activates infinite tsukiyomi and not obito, throws his peace talk out the window.

what you mean by OP here : Over Powered??

 

[saw2097]

Madara is completely insane, the latest chapter proved that once and for all, he isn't trying to save the world he is trying to become a god and enslave mankind, he is nothing but a power obsessed nut job.

 

[minamoto]

Madara is completely insane, the latest chapter proved that once and for all, he isn't trying to save the world he is trying to become a god and enslave mankind, he is nothing but a power obsessed nut job.

NAH.............