[VS] Reanimated Itachi vs. Sage Mode Minato

[KidGamer65]

You fail to realise my point, once again. I know Susano can be separated from its aura physically. However, you have no way of proving the user can be separated from his very own chakra signature non-physically. Yuo can push someway away from his aura that he is in contact with similarly to how Itachi stood right outside his own Susano while it was active. He had no shroud, but it was standing just fine. However, when you have your aura active, and you are in contact with it, you cannot seperate the user.

I realize your point, and it's wrong. That simple. I'm still waiting for you to prove how chakra signature has anything to do with Hiraishin's warping of targets.

Chooses between two different chakra signatures. Same chakra signatures? Gonna need proof for that, as he has 0 ways of distinguishing the difference between the two.

Still waiting for proof that chakra signature is how he chooses what to warp.

Two identical chakra signatures, not two differing ones. He can distinguish between differing ones, not with identical ones. If Minato doesn't teleport what he chooses based on chakra signature, what is he teleporting based on? Lol..

Minato states in Chapter 639, that he can warp anything his chakra or he is touching in some way. Whatever is being touched by Minato is eligible to be warped, all that is left there is to choose which one he wants to warp away. I don't know where you got this "Chakra Signature" nonsense from, but it's nothing but fanfiction, a baseless assumption.

Fail comparison yet again. Bunta has the same chakra signature as Kurama? That's new to me. Susano can be seperated by making the user leave his shroud physically. What Hirashin does is in no way physical. It makes you teleport out, but how will it do that when it can't tell that there are two differing chakras present? When he Hirashin'd Sasuke with his Ribcage the Ribcage went along, it didn't stay behind.

Next time, word your post correctly. That portion never mentioned anything about identical chakra signatures.

And where is the proof that two differing chakra signatures is going to hamper Hiraishin? It's been explained how Minato warps what he warps, not interested in your assumptions. As for Sasuke...once again, Minato can choose what he wants to warp away. He didn't need to warp Sasuke's Ribcage away, so he didn't do it.

Sasuke can't be warped from the user stop with the none sense... If that was true Sasuke wouldn't have went with his ribcage when they both were teleported...

Lol, once again. MINATO CAN CHOOSE WHAT HE WANTS TO WARP.

 

[Bronze]

To say Minato can teleport Susanoo away from the user, is to say he can teleport one's Chakra away from them, which is nothing more than wank and fallacy. He can only seperate the user from Susanoo if he had marked the user himself, in which any case applies for Itachi here. But since Itachi could fight CQC against Bee, and the latter countered Minato's FTG previously, Minato is never marking him.

Edo Itachi can one-shot him with Genjutsu and has many ways of making eye contact with Minato; his Susanoo grants him offence and defence advantage over Minato; yeah, he wins.

 

[KidGamer65]

^ So at the end of the day, neither you, Apex, or YounqDebater have any real argument as to why Susanoo can't be ported away. "It's wank and fallacy" isn't an argument. "It's his chakra" isn't an argument either. Madara was separated from his Susanoo, so Minato can do the same thing.

 

[RustledJimmies]

@KG: Even though I disagree with Susano'o being impossible to warp, Gaara being able physically separate Madara from Susano'o isn't the best example for Hiraishin being able to teleport it away from the user. I'll use Apex's limb comparison, Gaara's sand can rip a limb from a person, but Hiraishin can't, as Gaara uses his sand physically both for ripping the user out of Susano'o and ripping a limb from someone's body, while Hiraishin uses S/T, and what I think he's trying to do, is correlate Hiraishin not being able to rip off someone's arm with Hiraishin noit being able to warp Susano'o away w/o warping the user.

He kinda has a point in the ribcage point, Naruto's chakra arm was touching Sasuke's clothes, not the ribcage, yet the ribcage was warped with him, so the correct statement isn't "he didn't have any reasons to separate Sasuke from Susano'o", it's "he didn't have any reasons to bring it with Sasuke", yet it still came together.

As for the chakra signature argument, if I interpreted his points correctly, he means that, due to Minato warping by connecting his chakra with that something, and Susano'o is basically a manifestation of the user's chakra around them, so it has the same chakra signature, therefore, according to Apex, Minato can't warp Susano'o away without warping Itachi along with it, since they both share the same chakra signature.

Imho, the user can be separated from Susano'o, I just wanted to clear some things that you seemingly weren't understanding. I agree with some of his points though, so I'm a bit unsure about this.

 

[Beans2]

Minato wins med diff he teleport itachi out of susanoo then hiraishin blitzes him or summons ma and pa then frog genjutsu gg

 

[Chazzi]

Tsukuyomi GG.

 

[KidGamer65]

@KG: Even though I disagree with Susano'o being impossible to warp, Gaara being able physically separate Madara from Susano'o isn't the best example for Hiraishin being able to teleport it away from the user.

I'll use Apex's limb comparison, Gaara's sand can rip a limb from a person, but Hiraishin can't, as Gaara uses his sand physically both for ripping the user out of Susano'o and ripping a limb from someone's body, while Hiraishin uses S/T, and what I think he's trying to do, is correlate Hiraishin not being able to rip off someone's arm with Hiraishin noit being able to warp Susano'o away w/o warping the user.

I got that point, except Susanoo isn't connected to it's user in the same fashion a limb is connected to someone's body, so that comparison isn't sound. Susanoo of higher levels is pretty much the user standing in a giant suit of armor.

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Which is another part of why it should be able to be warped away, and that's why Gaara pulling Madara out of Susanoo is a valid example.

He kinda has a point in the ribcage point, Naruto's chakra arm was touching Sasuke's clothes, not the ribcage, yet the ribcage was warped with him, so the correct statement isn't "he didn't have any reasons to separate Sasuke from Susano'o", it's "he didn't have any reasons to bring it with Sasuke", yet it still came together.

Ok, this actually makes sense. Good explanation.

As for the chakra signature argument, if I interpreted his points correctly, he means that, due to Minato warping by connecting his chakra with that something, and Susano'o is basically a manifestation of the user's chakra around them, so it has the same chakra signature, therefore, according to Apex, Minato can't warp Susano'o away without warping Itachi along with it, since they both share the same chakra signature.

And he's failed to explain why chakra signature is relevant. He thinks that Minato won't be able to distinguish between Itachi and the Susanoo in order to warp only one away, and he thinks that Minato uses the chakra signature of the target to select what he wants to warp. He made that pretty clear. Even though the manga never ever implies Minato uses the chakra signature of whatever he is warping to determine what he's going to warp.

 

[Haizaki]

He kinda has a point in the ribcage point, Naruto's chakra arm was touching Sasuke's clothes, not the ribcage, yet the ribcage was warped with him, so the correct statement isn't "he didn't have any reasons to separate Sasuke from Susano'o", it's "he didn't have any reasons to bring it with Sasuke", yet it still came together.

I do agree with this to some extent but if you notice, Sasuke's Susanoo was getting destroyed

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and when Minato teleported them, Sasuke appeared without his Susanoo

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Not entirely sure but I think Minato can indeed choose what he wants to teleport.

 

[A v i]

I got that point, except Susanoo isn't connected to it's user in the same fashion a limb is connected to someone's body, so that comparison isn't sound. Susanoo of higher levels is pretty much the user standing in a giant suit of armor.

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^^^ To add more

Another page which proves that Susanoo is not connected to it's user.

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[Haizaki]

^^^ To add more

Another page which proves that Susanoo is not connected to it's user.

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Very very good point.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I do agree with this to some extent but if you notice, Sasuke's Susanoo was getting destroyed

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and when Minato teleported them, Sasuke appeared without his Susanoo

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Not entirely sure but I think Minato can indeed choose what he wants to teleport.

Are those scans even valid evidence? Because FTG is instant. Yet Sasuke's Susanoo ribcage vanished in the next panel?

 

[Haizaki]

Are those scans even valid evidence? Because FTG is instant. Yet Sasuke's Susanoo ribcage vanished in the next panel?

Why didn't his Susanoo appear alongside him?

 

[Gold Lightning]

Why didn't his Susanoo appear alongside him?

I don't know. That's what I thought should've happened. It teleports with him, but doesn't arrive with him. I don't think Sasuke can deactivate his rib cage at light speed.

 

[RustledJimmies]

I do agree with this to some extent but if you notice, Sasuke's Susanoo was getting destroyed

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and when Minato teleported them, Sasuke appeared without his Susanoo

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Not entirely sure but I think Minato can indeed choose what he wants to teleport.

Nah, Minato instantly warped Sasuke and Naruto from Juubito's attack, and he was aiming for the their heads, not Susano'o, it didn't get destroyed, it completely vanished, meaning that it was warped.

The other scan is indeed confusing, but as you can notice, Sasuke has already landed on the ground, which takes about a second, which is enough for him to deactivate Susano'o. Not sure though.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Lol, once again. MINATO CAN CHOOSE WHAT HE WANTS TO WARP.

He's not teleporting nothing when Yata and Totsuka are there for his defense not to mention he can cast Amaterasu on his Susanoo for protection as well...

 

[KidGamer65]

He's not teleporting nothing when Yata and Totsuka are there for his defense not to mention he can cast Amaterasu on his Susanoo for protection as well...

1. Yata and Totsuka aren't going to stop him from touching Susanoo.

2. Uh, no, he can't. If he uses Amaterasu, it'll either appear on the inside of his Susanoo (Lol, yeah right) or wherever his eyes are focused, not including his Susanoo, since Sasuke used Amaterasu through Susanoo and hit Danzo.

 

[Gold Lightning]

A shadow clone can easily touch Susanoo. What's itachi gonna do? Track every clone that tries to get near his Susanoo lol. His eyes can't even keep up with Minatos speed. That's why he has to camp inside Susanoo.

 

[TRE MERCER]

1. Yata and Totsuka aren't going to stop him from touching Susanoo.

2. Uh, no, he can't. If he uses Amaterasu, it'll either appear on the inside of his Susanoo (Lol, yeah right) or wherever his eyes are focused, not including his Susanoo, since Sasuke used Amaterasu through Susanoo and hit Danzo.

If Susanoo can be teleported Itachi lose if it can't he wins...

 

[Gold Lightning]

If Susanoo can be teleported Itachi lose if it can't he wins...

Even if it couldn't, toad genjutsu will bring that Susanoo down.

 

[Beans2]

Can Minato teleport a Susano'o user out of PS? If not I don't see why base Minato can't beat EMS Madara if he battlefield is pre-marked.