Rate Sasuke without clan massacre

[Fair Warning]

He would still be a very capable shinobi but he wouldn't have a good amount of his tech he normally uses.

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[SAGE OF ALL ELEMENTS]

Clearly you guys do not realize what you are talking about when you say something like "low Chunin".


We know the Katon: Gōkakyū represents an Uchiha's passage to adulthood. [

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Sasuke would constantly be trying to surpass Itachi, who is easily above most of the Gokage without the Mangekyou, and as a result he would be at least Mid-Kage level.

- Superior Shunsin [Masashi Kishimoto calls it unmatchable in the Databook]
- Strongest Sharingan [stronger than Itachi]
- Genius very much above a Yondaime Hokage candidate[

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- Powerful chakra due to Uchiha heritage
- Master of Raiton and Katon jutsu
- And add Itachi's teachings to all this

Agree with you except for

-Strongest Sharingan. He would never awaken the Mangyekyo if he had not lost something extremely dear to him and yet wanted to progress forward as there was something he still wanted to do. So..Shitty 3 tomoe Sharingan
-Genius above Yondaime candidate..I do not see much proof of that.
-Powerful Chakra because of him being a Uchiha. INCORRECT. The Uchiha inheritet the Sage's Eyes and the SENJU obtained the powerful chakra and life force due to inheriting the Sage's body
-Itachi's teaching would be pathethically limited. Itachi main arsenal is Susano , atmeratasu and a Masterful and Beautiful Tsukuyomi. Now..Itachi would be reduced to him teaching sasuke his fire techs and itachi has only shown around less than 5 in the manga. and a couple of genjutsu.

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

mid jounin level

 

[Frikid]

I have to disagree. I'd say Jounin level because he would have died to Mizukage, Raikage, and Tsuchikage if he didn't awaken MS/EMS

He wont have went against mizukage,raikage tsuchikage if he didn't awaken MS/EMS.
No uchiha massacre = sasuke still stays in village / rejects oro's offer

The story would have gone in a completely different way.

MS/EMS made him stronger, yes, but it is not the only source to get stronger for an uchiha.
Sasuke with 3t alone defeated deidara who is kage level imo.

Sasuke didn't bother mastering ninjutsu only because he got something better to train with, EMS techs.
Why would one train raiton if he have amaterasu/susano?

Genius means genius, look what oro said about sasuke.
Minato was also genius without any KG , so was tobirama, and they become stronger in their own way.
Bottom line, If sasuke didn't get MS , he would have worked more in ninjutsu,taijutsu,genjutsu,kenjutsu and would have become kage level in some other way.

You can become stronger by hard work alone, add hard work+ natural talent , you get a kage level ninja

 

[SAGE OF ALL ELEMENTS]

Same as now.
Genius people don't need MS/EMS to be kage level.

He will be just another kage level genius like orochimaru,tobirama,minato,hiruzen.

He already created one shotting techs before getting MS, like kirin.
He would have just trained more and got even more faster. Maybe would have become hokage also, as this guy had the potential to change other people's opinion[itachi said this], he was best in his class just like minato.

Not to mention badass.

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I say he would have got a raiton armour like raikage have, bijju sized katon [like madara],black lightning etc

We are talking about him if his clan was not Massacred. So we must consider the fact that will he ever get the opporchunity to develop further.

Who on Earth would teach him raiton armor , and a biju sized katon? What would be the great adversary for him to have to go so far to develop that techniques?

Sasuke himself said that he developed Kirin..just to kill itachi. Without his Clan Massacre..he would never have gotten Kirin in the First Place!

No matter how much of a genius he can be...a ninja max growth strength is and always be stunted without great adversity and great opporchunities

 

[ANiMUS]

Clearly you guys do not realize what you are talking about when you say something like "low Chunin".


We know the Katon: Gōkakyū represents an Uchiha's passage to adulthood. [

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due to wanting to be respected at Itachi's level. Mind you the

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Sasuke would constantly be trying to surpass Itachi, who is easily above most of the Gokage without the Mangekyou, and as a result he would be at least Mid-Kage level.

- Superior Shunsin [Masashi Kishimoto calls it unmatchable in the Databook]
- Strongest Sharingan [stronger than Itachi]
- Genius very much above a Yondaime Hokage candidate[

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- Powerful chakra due to Uchiha heritage
- Master of Raiton and Katon jutsu
- And add Itachi's teachings to all this

Plus, Sasuke would have still had his rivalry with Itachi to push him forward. He'd probably be at kid Kakashi's level at a young age w/ Itachi's teachings. From there Sasuke would have joined the Anbu after a while and even learned some moves from Shisui (body flicker and genjutsu specialist). Sasuke wouldn't be where he is now, but he would at least be well above Kakashi w/o Kamui

 

[Kαmi]

We are talking about him if his clan was not Massacred. So we must consider the fact that will he ever get the opporchunity to develop further.

Who on Earth would teach him raiton armor , and a biju sized katon? What would be the great adversary for him to have to go so far to develop that techniques?

Sasuke himself said that he developed Kirin..just to kill itachi. Without his Clan Massacre..he would never have gotten Kirin in the First Place!

No matter how much of a genius he can be...a ninja max growth strength is and always be stunted without great adversity and great opporchunities

Itachi is still his goal. Even as a child, Sasuke wanted to surpass his brother and be acknowledged by his father has his own son. These are still goals that Sasuke would strive for, meaning Sasuke would aim for a way to surpass Itachi even with him having MS. Like many people said above, Sasuke easily learned jutsus and then created his own. Creating 3 chidori variants, Kirin and developed his own genjutsu skills.

With Itachi around, Sasuke would still be trying to surpass Itachi in every way. I'm not saying he would succeed but to say Sasuke would have no ambition to grow stronger and would not face great adversity just seems fishy. A genius like Sasuke will find a way to develop himself one way or the other.

 

[Jcub]

He might be an actual contender for Hokage. He would be close if not surpassed to where he is now, even without all the eye tech power ups. The 1st-4th didn't need sharingan to be epic. He is still a genius, and with out all that hate that clouded his judgement he might have been ...more genius? lol

I view him and Naruto in the same boat, they would be epic for a number of reasons, mainly not having to waste all those years fighting get confidence, or acceptance. Also each would have had and extra mentor or two ( Sasuke would have had Itachi, Naru his parents).

 

[ObitoKarin]

He wont have went against mizukage,raikage tsuchikage if he didn't awaken MS/EMS.
No uchiha massacre = sasuke still stays in village / rejects oro's offer

The story would have gone in a completely different way.

MS/EMS made him stronger, yes, but it is not the only source to get stronger for an uchiha.
Sasuke with 3t alone defeated deidara who is kage level imo.

Sasuke didn't bother mastering ninjutsu only because he got something better to train with, EMS techs.
Why would one train raiton if he have amaterasu/susano?

Genius means genius, look what oro said about sasuke.
Minato was also genius without any KG , so was tobirama, and they become stronger in their own way.
Bottom line, If sasuke didn't get MS , he would have worked more in ninjutsu,taijutsu,genjutsu,kenjutsu and would have become kage level in some other way.

You can become stronger by hard work alone, add hard work+ natural talent , you get a kage level ninja

I know, but I'm just putting it in perspctive. But I still feel like even if the massacre never happened, Sasuke would have still went to Orochimaru cause he went for more power and his reason was strongly Naruto. Naruto going to Jiraya is primarily the reason why he went to Orochimaru and Sakura went to Tsunade. He would have learned new moves, but he wouldn't have awakened MS. Therefore, if he did end up fighting the Kage's in some other situation rather than going after Danzo, he most likely would have died from Raikage's Liger Bomb since without the Sussano and Black Flags taking out the raikage's right arm and taking some damage for him. And I know he would have master more jutsu's even without Orochimaru. But overall, I don't think he would be considered Kage Level. I understand he's considered a genius, but still, like others have stated, I'd only see him as like Neji level but just a little higher.

 

[Fair Warning]

He might be an actual contender for Hokage. He would be close if not surpassed to where he is now, even without all the eye tech power ups. The 1st-4th didn't need sharingan to be epic. He is still a genius, and with out all that hate that clouded his judgement he might have been ...more genius? lol

I view him and Naruto in the same boat, they would be epic for a number of reasons, mainly not having to waste all those years fighting get confidence, or acceptance. Also each would have had and extra mentor or two ( Sasuke would have had Itachi, Naru his parents).

Naruto with sage mode and Kurama destroys three tomoe sasuke

 

[ANiMUS]

Naruto with sage mode and Kurama destroys three tomoe sasuke

Actually, I doubt Naruto would have mastered Kurama without Sasuke to motivate him. Naruto's view on hatred not only came from Jman, but also his dealings with Sasuke

 

[Frikid]

I know, but I'm just putting it in perspctive. But I still feel like even if the massacre never happened, Sasuke would have still went to Orochimaru cause he went for more power and his reason was strongly Naruto. Naruto going to Jiraya is primarily the reason why he went to Orochimaru and Sakura went to Tsunade. He would have learned new moves, but he wouldn't have awakened MS. Therefore, if he did end up fighting the Kage's in some other situation rather than going after Danzo, he most likely would have died from Raikage's Liger Bomb since without the Sussano and Black Flags taking out the raikage's right arm and taking some damage for him. And I know he would have master more jutsu's even without Orochimaru. But overall, I don't think he would be considered Kage Level. I understand he's considered a genius, but still, like others have stated, I'd only see him as like Neji level but just a little higher.

He went to oro because he wanted to kill itachi, not because of naruto.

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[ObitoKarin]

He went to oro because he wanted to kill itachi, not because of naruto.

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those are both reasons.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

Sasuke without MS/EMS would be a fodder U_U

 

[R4mbl3]

Sasuke before MS was a damn genius on the battlefield alone. He was analyzing his opponents in short time using his many variations of techniques to deduce their fighting style. He's a prodigy, he would have grown in many other aspects had it not been for MS and after that, he makes many variations with a new technique: Enton within a week's time! He's a genius at developing jutsu, it's the reason Orochimaru says he pales in comparison. I'd put Sasuke Low Kage at minimum but with Itachi being such a prodigy himself and under his influence with no Uchiha massacre, who knows how dangerous Sasuke would be...

I didn't even think of this!, For some reason, I was thinking Itachi still dies.

 

[Styles]

Naruto with sage mode and Kurama destroys three tomoe sasuke

How do you know he would have all that if his parents was still alive?

 

[warlee]

Base kakashi and base itachi's level. In his prime could get to 3tomoe madara's level.

 

[YellowFang]

Low Jonin...

 

[shelke]

Hebi-Sasuke was a low-mid Kage level Shinobi and that was just three years after the Vote Sasuke. He would have trained and become just as powerful as he is now. Sasuke has been hailed as an exceptional prodigy by Orochimaru and just about everyone he has ever come across. Orochimaru said that his, "own genius was pitiful before Sasuke". So maybe this base should pull its head out of its ass and accept manga facts for a change.

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

Sasuke would at the least be as strong as he was in the beginning of part one.No clan massecre means more traning by Itachi.MS is also a possibility seeing as it's cause by tramatic ecperiences; a shinobi life is fill with tragedy so he could have awaken anytime.No matter what he would jabe been stronger than an Elite Jonin.Mid Kage level is Sasuke floor, high kage would habe been his ceiling.