[Discussion] Rant about Sanji

[Yubel]

Diable Jambe doesn't make his leg any stronger. That's why it worked against Tekkai. Sanji literally said "Since I can't smash through it(sheer power), I'll burn through it." His leg was the same strength, DJ just gives it the added boost of literal firepower.

One can just as easily say that Sanji could have destroyed Vergo if his body wasn't weakened due to Nami.

Sanji's leg is his main weapon, if that fails then he literally has nothing else so he's lucky he didn't get killed by Vergo. He even said he would lose if he kept fighting him. This was Vergo with no bamboo stick, no armanent haki and no fullbody armament haki. Sanji didn't stand a chance.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Sanji's leg is his main weapon, if that fails then he literally has nothing else so he's lucky he didn't get killed by Vergo. He even said he would lose if he kept fighting him. This was Vergo with no bamboo stick, no armanent haki and no fullbody armament haki. Sanji didn't stand a chance.

While all of this was true, you're failing to take into consideration the fact that Sanji's body was shown earlier in that same arc to be heavily damaged and weakened due to Nami being inside of it and not being able to defend it from the attacks it sustained.

There's no telling how Sanji would have fared against Vergo if his body was at its strongest.

 

[Love Cook]

Sanji's leg is his main weapon, if that fails then he literally has nothing else so he's lucky he didn't get killed by Vergo. He even said he would lose if he kept fighting him. This was Vergo with no bamboo stick, no armanent haki and no fullbody armament haki. Sanji didn't stand a chance.

Also Sanji didn't use CoA and it's confirmed that he can use it. So you could also say that he wasn't giving 100% yet. There is no way of predicting the outcome of that fight if they would have the time to finish it.

 

[Waindo]

While all of this was true, you're failing to take into consideration the fact that Sanji's body was shown earlier in that same arc to be heavily damaged and weakened due to Nami being inside of it and not being able to defend it from the attacks it sustained.

There's no telling how Sanji would have fared against Vergo if his body was at its strongest.

Exactly this. His body was in terrible condition due to Shambles.

 

[KingHashirama]

OR Oda didn't think he'd need to spoon-feed you,that if Sanji's body was stated to be weaker and injured prior, then it's the reason he received an injury he shouldn't have later. It doesn't need to be stated again, you should be smart enough to connect the dots. You say there was no indication his damaged body was still a thing, his shin being cracked IS the indication.

Doflamingo, while in a weakened state, shrugged off attacks that were bruising Fujitora, though Fuji was holding back. That alone indicates that Luffy and Fuji are much closer to likes of Admirals than we thought.

Sadly it is not the indication. His body damage had to do with his entire body. When nami a weakling who's punch is nowhere near the power of Vergo's kick, was able to hit Sanji and make his body tremble,... then how in the blue hell was he able to take on Vergo's kick without any pain indication on his entire body, and even when his leg cracks he only feels pain in the cracked leg. When asked about damage by G-5, the manga points directly to his broken leg.

Unless he possesses some sort of regeneration , then that shouldn't be happening. So either his injuries weren't that serious, or Oda f*cked up.


Another bad comparison. Nice work.

 

[Yubel]

While all of this was true, you're failing to take into consideration the fact that Sanji's body was shown earlier in that same arc to be heavily damaged and weakened due to Nami being inside of it and not being able to defend it from the attacks it sustained.

There's no telling how Sanji would have fared against Vergo if his body was at its strongest.

Sanji was perfectly fine there. That's like saying Luffy is hurt fighting because he gets beaten by Nami untill he got black eye and swollen lips. Totally ignoring that he's perfectly fine in the next scene. Also One Piece is known for characters recovering from near fatal injuries like crazy, like Wiper, Bellamy, Akainu etc.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Sadly it is not the indication. His body damage had to do with his entire body. When nami a weakling who's punch is nowhere near the power of Vergo's kick, was able to hit Sanji and make his body tremble,... then how in the blue hell was he able to take on Vergo's kick without any pain indication on his entire body, and even when his leg cracks he only feels pain in the cracked leg. When asked about damage by G-5, the manga points directly to his broken leg.

Unless he possesses some sort of regeneration , then that shouldn't be happening. So either his injuries weren't that serious, or Oda f*cked up.


Another bad comparison. Nice work.

What? His bone cracking was far worse than whatever Nami did, was just a gag to convey his body was weaker. Vergo did much worse than Nami, which shouldn't even be brought up to question.

LOL right, cuz using two characters' reactions to the same thing is a bad comparison.

Sanji was perfectly fine there. That's like saying Luffy is hurt fighting because he gets beaten by Nami untill he got black eye and swollen lips. Totally ignoring that he's perfectly fine in the next scene. Also One Piece is known for characters recovering from injuries like crazy, like Wiper, Bellamy, Akainu etc.

Luffy being hurt by Nami just a gag that Oda said shouldn't be taken seriously. The Sanji situation is different because a canon, in-series explanation was given as to why Sanji was hurt by Nami's blow. Sanji even says "That shouldn't hurt," and it was explained why it did, while the situation with Luffy is ignored and disappears right after, never acknowledged seriously. Not the same thing.

 

[KingHashirama]

What? His bone cracking was far worse than whatever Nami did, was just a gag to convey his body was weaker. Vergo did much worse than Nami, which shouldn't even be brought up to question.

LOL right, cuz using two characters' reactions to the same thing is a bad comparison.

"it was a gag "... lord damn really that is the best you could've brought up? It was a gag that his body was shaking due to the pain? If that was a gag, then you don't know how badly his body was damaged. Unless you have a proof aside from that "gag" that he was heavily damaged. So if it was a gag, then you don't know how badly he was damaged.. if it wasn't a gag then the entire is inconsistent or suggesting he has super regeneration or super healing. "it was a gag".. lol nice.


Using 2 characters in 2 different situations, as a comparison is bad. And that is what you did. Unless Doflamingo was holding enough debri in the sky to wipe out the entire strawhat fleet.. you'd have a point. Sadly he wasn't. And then of course you have the whole thing about luffy becoming stronger after beating the enemy. But yea.


PS: comparing luffy getting hurt by Nami to Sanji's actual body that was damaged, and the punch that was thrown by Nami to show the reader how badly it was damaged.. are 2 entirely different situations.

 

[Punk Hazard]

"it was a gag "... lord damn really that is the best you could've brought up? It was a gag that his body was shaking due to the pain? If that was a gag, then you don't know how badly his body was damaged. Unless you have a proof aside from that "gag" that he was heavily damaged. So if it was a gag, then you don't know how badly he was damaged.. if it wasn't a gag then the entire is inconsistent or suggesting he has super regeneration or super healing. "it was a gag".. lol nice.


Using 2 characters in 2 different situations, as a comparison is bad. And that is what you did. Unless Doflamingo was holding enough debri in the sky to wipe out the entire strawhat fleet.. you'd have a point. Sadly he wasn't. And then of course you have the whole thing about luffy becoming stronger after beating the enemy. But yea.


PS: comparing luffy getting hurt by Nami to Sanji's actual body that was damaged, and the punch that was thrown by Nami to show the reader how badly it was damaged.. are 2 entirely different situations.

Yes. It was a gag of how badly he was injured, which is why Oda drew it in a cartoonish manner, but the gag had a use: To convey that Sanji's body was damaged. This was revisited later on when Vergo cracked Sanji's leg easily. What separates that gag from others was that, unlike other gags which disappear immediately, this gag had an affect that was acknowledged outside of the sake of comedy. There is no regeneration or super healing because that same damage that allowed Nami to hurt him allowed Vergo to crack his leg with one blow.

Being attacked by Luffy is the same situation.

Luffy isn't a Saiyan. Defeating Doflamingo didn't make Luffy stronger. I honestly can't believe anyone here thinks Luffy got stronger by just sleeping for a few days straight with no training. If that was the case, there'd be no need for Luffy to go through the rigorous training he does off-screen.

 

[KingHashirama]

Yes. It was a gag of how badly he was injured, which is why Oda drew it in a cartoonish manner, but the gag had a use: To convey that Sanji's body was damaged. This was revisited later on when Vergo cracked Sanji's leg easily. What separates that gag from others was that, unlike other gags which disappear immediately, this gag had an affect that was acknowledged outside of the sake of comedy. There is no regeneration or super healing because that same damage that allowed Nami to hurt him allowed Vergo to crack his leg with one blow.

Being attacked by Luffy is the same situation.

Luffy isn't a Saiyan. Defeating Doflamingo didn't make Luffy stronger. I honestly can't believe anyone here thinks Luffy got stronger by just sleeping for a few days straight with no training. If that was the case, there'd be no need for Luffy to go through the rigorous training he does off-screen.

False again. It was never revisited. When an injury is revisited Oda leaves hints towards that specific injury. However, when Vergo broke Sanji's bone, the injuries he recieved before were not hinted at. And Nami punching Sanji wasn't simply for a Gag. But to show the extent of his body being damaged to the point where he couldn't take a hard punch from Nami without his body shaking due to the damage he had on him. His body shivering isn't a gag mate. So using "gag" as an excuse to defend an inconsistency is bad. You even freaking tried to compare it to Nami hitting luffy, or others hitting luffy for gags.. when its not even the same.

No that does not make it the same situation.

Yea because everytime luffy got stronger before the TS, he spent his time training for hours and hours (sarcasm). He doesn't need to be a sayain for that. Its Natural, when our body is taken to its limit, and once we recover it becomes stronger than before.

 

[Punk Hazard]

False again. It was never revisited. When an injury is revisited Oda leaves hints towards that specific injury. However, when Vergo broke Sanji's bone, the injuries he recieved before were not hinted at. And Nami punching Sanji wasn't simply for a Gag. But to show the extent of his body being damaged to the point where he couldn't take a hard punch from Nami without his body shaking due to the damage he had on him. His body shivering isn't a gag mate. So using "gag" as an excuse to defend an inconsistency is bad. You even freaking tried to compare it to Nami hitting luffy, or others hitting luffy for gags.. when its not even the same.

No that does not make it the same situation.

Yea because everytime luffy got stronger before the TS, he spent his time training for hours and hours (sarcasm). He doesn't need to be a sayain for that. Its Natural, when our body is taken to its limit, and once we recover it becomes stronger than before.

Vergo cracking his leg is the way it was revisited.

Lmao what? I suppose you're gonna explain how being attacked by Luffy is different than being attacked by Luffy four days later? Aside from Luffy being more tired in one scenario, they're the same.

He was actually. Oda was asked how is it that Luffy can eat so much and not get fat in the SBS. Oda's reply was that Luffy exercises so much, it's impossible for him to get fat and out of shape. This exercise is training, and the answer was giving before the TS. An example of this is shown in the manga itself. When Luffy was separated from the crew by Kuma and was talking to himself, he said "I better train so I can get stronger than before," and decided the best way to do so was to walk on his hands the entire way back to Sabaody.

 

[-Akuma-]

Really ?? then you clearly didn't see clearly. There was at best only 1 assumption in my post.

1. They could've easily jumped onto the building and gotten Nami and Chopper that way still.

2. Sanji himself was surrounded, unless you have some sort of a God-feat from Sanji, he isn't beating a Supernova's entire crew, even with brook.

3. Capone again was not trying to cause a big fight, and was looking for the simplest solution to getting Sanji to come with them.

1. Yes jump in the building surrounding with Mink they didn't want to fight so the can kidnap their saviors..... Logic at it's finest.

2. Sanji was surrounded by fodder, only threats was Capone himself, all SH crew bar Law, Kidd and Luffy have nobody note worthy bar the captain. So yeah Sanji could be fine as long as he could take Capone. Not to mention if they were to fight Capone would be at the massive disadvantage of not trying to kill Sanji, simpky because thye need him for the wedding.


3. This point is irrelevant.

 

[-Akuma-]

Doflamingo stopped Diable Jambe with his leg with no problem whatsoever. Fujitora unsheathed his blade to stop Doffy's kick. He did the same to Zoro's strike and got sent back.

Conclusion: Zoro's flying strike>Doflamingo's kick>>>>Sanji's Diable Jambe.

****ing stupid logic as it's best. Fuji uses his swords to stop everything, when has he never not used his swords.

 

[A v i]

Sanji's body was damaged that's a given but If Sanji's body is soo weak that it couldn't shrug off a punch from a giant kid and an explosion from Caesar and fight normally then he might as well quit being a part of M3. Vergo took more damage than Sanji "against Law and Sanji" prior to fighting Smoker IMO.He took two direct DJ hits and a counter shock without offering any kind of resistance and displayed no sings of being at disadvantage against Smoker. Sanji should at least be able to do that much to call himself a M3. I personally believe that Sanji's stronger than Vergo but Sanji indirectly implied he'd have lost the battle had he continued to fight Vergo. So he's likely weaker form what we've seen so far.

OT: Even a marine admiral becomes powerless if plot demands it. So, I won't blame Sanji for what happened at Zou.

He was actually. Oda was asked how is it that Luffy can eat so much and not get fat in the SBS. Oda's reply was that Luffy exercises so much, it's impossible for him to get fat and out of shape.

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[-Akuma-]

Sanji's body was damaged that's a given but If Sanji's body is soo weak that it couldn't shrug off a punch from a giant kid and an explosion from Caesar and fight normally then he might as well quit being a part of M3. Vergo took more damage than Sanji "against Law and Sanji" prior to fighting Smoker IMO.He took two direct DJ hits and a counter shock without offering any kind of resistance and displayed no sings of being at disadvantage against Smoker. Sanji should at least be able to do that much to call himself a M3. I personally believe that Sanji's stronger than Vergo but Sanji indirectly implied he'd have lost the battle had he continued to fight Vergo. So he's likely weaker form what we've seen so far.

OT: Even a marine admiral becomes powerless if plot demands it. So, I won't blame Sanji for what happened at Zou.



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Please stfu, by this logic Luffy isn't M3 worthy either, seeing how attack from Bellamy roughed him up.

 

[A v i]

Please stfu, by this logic Luffy isn't M3 worthy either, seeing how attack from Bellamy roughed him up.

Lol. Get your useless wank out of here. Luffy took literally same explosion "granted Sanji wasn't in his original body" without offering any defense and shrugged it off like nothing after a few seconds. Luffy went through a lot more shit than Sanji against Bellamy. He didn't get his ribs easily broken nor did he display any sings of being affected by any prior injuries despite fighting any overwhelmingly stronger opponent. He was injured but still fought at his best unlike Sanji. Don't even try to compare both. And I already explained how someone who you think is weaker than Sanji "Vergo" ignored much better wounds and fought without slowing down. So, if he can't at least accomplish that much then he won't cut it out to be a M3.

 

[-Akuma-]

Lol. Get your useless wank out of here. Luffy took literally same explosion "granted Sanji wasn't in his original body" without offering any defense and shrugged it off like nothing after a few seconds. Luffy went through a lot more shit than Sanji against Bellamy. He didn't get his ribs easily broker nor did he display any sings of being affected by any prior injuries despite fighting any overwhelmingly stronger opponent. He was injured but still fought at his best unlike Sanji. Don't even try to compare both. And I already explained how someone who you think is weaker than Sanji "Vergo" ignored much better wounds and fought without slowing down. So, if he can't at least accomplish that much then he won't cut it out to be a M3.

Please show me where Luffy got hit dead on clean by Cesar. Luffy didn't get any ribs broken but he was in a lot worse shape than Sanji was and Doflamingo himself points this out. The difference in all these situations is that both Vergo and Luffy both defended themselves, Vergo had tekkai and haki while Luffy had haki and Luffy was roughed by Bellamy and it was said by Mingo Luffy shouldn't be feeling to hot after that, so yes Luffy was hindered by his injuries and fatigue. So comparing Sanji to them isn't even a remotely valid comparison at all, anybody knows how much damage good defence such as haki or tekkai can be, this makes it worse for Luffy because he was hakied up and still took a ton of damage.

 

[A v i]

Please show me where Luffy got hit dead on clean by Cesar. Luffy didn't get any ribs broken but he was in a lot worse shape than Sanji was and Doflamingo himself points this out. The difference in all these situations is that both Vergo and Luffy both defended themselves, Vergo had tekkai and haki while Luffy had haki and Luffy was roughed by Bellamy and it was said by Mingo Luffy shouldn't be feeling to hot after that, so yes Luffy was hindered by his injuries and fatigue. So comparing Sanji to them isn't even a remotely valid comparison at all, anybody knows how much damage good defence such as haki or tekkai can be, this makes it worse for Luffy because he was hakied up and still took a ton of damage.

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] You mistook my post it seems, I didn't said that he wasn't injured, I said he fought normally despite his injuries. The point is that that level of wounds shouldn't affect them to a level where even someone weaker than them could casually crack their bones. It's like Sanji easily owning Luffy after getting damaged by Bellamy which doesn't make much sense. As a matter of fact even Doflamingo couldn't gain any kind of advantage over Luffy because of those injuries. Taking damage and fighting back is quite normal in OP.

I mean every character offers certain level of tolerance , they can take damage and fight normally as long as the sustained damage doesn't exceed their tolerance margin. If Doflamingo took red hawk for example, it'd obviously inflect damage but it won't slow him down in slightest.Likewise the damage Sanji's body took prior to fighting Vergo isn't enough to have that much of an impact on him.

 

[KingHashirama]

1. Yes jump in the building surrounding with Mink they didn't want to fight so the can kidnap their saviors..... Logic at it's finest.

2. Sanji was surrounded by fodder, only threats was Capone himself, all SH crew bar Law, Kidd and Luffy have nobody note worthy bar the captain. So yeah Sanji could be fine as long as he could take Capone. Not to mention if they were to fight Capone would be at the massive disadvantage of not trying to kill Sanji, simpky because thye need him for the wedding.


3. This point is irrelevant.

1. It was an isolated building, with couple of female minks inside. And also I'm sure Wanda saw them being surrounded with guns, unless she somehow went inside and didn't bother looking at the situation.

2. If you believe that the crews in the Supernova are simply "fodder"..then we don't even need to have this discussion, as I don't believe in such dumb logic. And the wank of the strawhat crew.

3. Actually isn't, but of course if you are simply focused on Sanji.. then yes i guess.

Vergo cracking his leg is the way it was revisited.

Lmao what? I suppose you're gonna explain how being attacked by Luffy is different than being attacked by Luffy four days later? Aside from Luffy being more tired in one scenario, they're the same.

He was actually. Oda was asked how is it that Luffy can eat so much and not get fat in the SBS. Oda's reply was that Luffy exercises so much, it's impossible for him to get fat and out of shape. This exercise is training, and the answer was giving before the TS. An example of this is shown in the manga itself. When Luffy was separated from the crew by Kuma and was talking to himself, he said "I better train so I can get stronger than before," and decided the best way to do so was to walk on his hands the entire way back to Sabaody.

Again wasn't revisited, but an entirely different injury, that showed no connection to his previous.

Are you just trolling me right now bro? There wasn't a difference between them? You yourself just pointed out the difference in the situation. And on top of that Doffy wasn't holding enough weight in the air to crush an entire fleet << hence why Fujitora had so much less movement, and wasn't similar to his fight against Sabo.


Alright so, can you find a scan of where he trains in the ship? punches air? He hasn't been shown lifting weights. Again, once your body is at its limit, and you break that limit (something luffy has done plenty of times) , after resting you will be stronger than you were before. This isn't magic, its common sense. Now however, I also never said training is irrelevant, so mentioning training isn't gonna help prove the science of body wrong. Exceeding your limit will increase your limit, and causing you to be stronger than you were before that limit.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Sanji's body was damaged that's a given but If Sanji's body is soo weak that it couldn't shrug off a punch from a giant kid and an explosion from Caesar and fight normally then he might as well quit being a part of M3. Vergo took more damage than Sanji "against Law and Sanji" prior to fighting Smoker IMO.He took two direct DJ hits and a counter shock without offering any kind of resistance and displayed no sings of being at disadvantage against Smoker. Sanji should at least be able to do that much to call himself a M3. I personally believe that Sanji's stronger than Vergo but Sanji indirectly implied he'd have lost the battle had he continued to fight Vergo. So he's likely weaker form what we've seen so far.

OT: Even a marine admiral becomes powerless if plot demands it. So, I won't blame Sanji for what happened at Zou.



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