Rank these Kenjutsu Users

[adeshina365]

Rank these users of Kenjutsu. For the purpose of this thread, chakra enhanced Kenjutsu won't be considered:

Killer Bee
Darui
Mifune
Chojuro
Zabuza
Suigetsu
Kisame
Sasuke (Adult)
Sasuke (EMS)

 

[KidGamer65]

Adult Sasuke>B>EMS Sasuke>Mifune>Kisame>Darui>Zabuza>Chojuro>Suigetsu

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Mifune > both sauce in terms of kenjutsu

 

[NarutoX28]

Adult Sasuke>B>EMS Sasuke>Mifune>Kisame>Darui>Zabuza>Chojuro>Suigetsu

The only thing I'd change from this is EMS Sasuke > Bee, but other than that, I agree.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Adult Sasuke>B>EMS Sasuke>Mifune>Kisame>Darui>Zabuza>Chojuro>Suigetsu

How does Bee beat EMS Sasuke when he has the speed and reflexes to combat people that would crush bee in cqc.

 

[NarutoX28]

How does Bee beat EMS Sasuke when he has the speed and reflexes to combat people that would crush bee in cqc.

This. Given how Itachi stalemated him with a kunai, the much more reactive EMS Sasuke should be able to overcome Bee with kenjutsu.

 

[KidGamer65]

How does Bee beat EMS Sasuke when he has the speed and reflexes to combat people that would crush bee in cqc.

He has the speed and reflexes to mentally react to Juubito after getting Naruto's cloak. How does that translate to him beating Killer B w/ the Seven Swords Dance which Sharingan can't properly predict? Not even sure where the bold came from because EMS Sasuke hasn't displayed anything that'd let him match or beat people who would wreck B in CQC. :lol B would still beat him. EMS Sasuke may be more reflexive than MS Sasuke but not to the extent where he'd go from being stomped by B in sword play to being able to defeat him, especially when speed wasn't the major issue there.


And no, Itachi didn't stalemate Killer B w/ a Kunai. He retreated.

 

[TRE MERCER]

He has the speed and reflexes to mentally react to Juubito after getting Naruto's cloak. How does that translate to him beating Killer B w/ the Seven Swords Dance which Sharingan can't properly predict?

Since when did a chakra cloak increase your reflexes? EMS Sasuke kept up with KM Naruto as you always say. And we know for a fact that Uchiha eyes can always keep up with someone faster than there actual body movement.

Killer bee dance bypassed 3tomoe sharingan pre-cog not EMS. Don't try to say it doesn't either.

 

[KidGamer65]

Since when did a chakra cloak increase your reflexes? EMS Sasuke kept up with KM Naruto as you always say. And we know for a fact that Uchiha eyes can always keep up with someone faster than there actual body movement.

Killer bee dance bypassed 3tomoe sharingan pre-cog not EMS. Don't try to say it doesn't either.

Since the very beginning of this Manga. :lol

-Naruto's speed increases when he uses Kurama's chakra.
-Killer B's speed increases when he uses Gyuki's chakra.
-Same goes for the other Jinchuuriki.


EMS Sasuke can keep up w/ and surpasses KCM Naruto in reaction speed. Not BSM Naruto. And obviously Sharingan can track people far faster than the user. Does that mean that the user can move on that level of speed or physically react to that speed or take out people who move that fast in CQC? No. If EMS Sasuke w/ a cloak fought Juubito in CQC he'd get destroyed low diff despite being able to track him.

Killer B was able to get around the Sharingan's precognition because of how precognition works. :lol It works best with linear attacks. EMS will obviously help him more here but I've yet to see anything from you or the Manga that would let him defeat Killer B just because EMS>regular Sharingan precog.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Since the very beginning of this Manga. :lol

-Naruto's speed increases when he uses Kurama's chakra.
-Killer B's speed increases when he uses Gyuki's chakra.
-Same goes for the other Jinchuuriki.


EMS Sasuke can keep up w/ and surpasses KCM Naruto in reaction speed. Not BSM Naruto. And obviously Sharingan can track people far faster than the user. Does that mean that the user can move on that level of speed or physically react to that speed or take out people who move that fast in CQC? No. If EMS Sasuke w/ a cloak fought Juubito in CQC he'd get destroyed low diff despite being able to track him.

Killer B was able to get around the Sharingan's precognition because of how precognition works. :lol It works best with linear attacks. EMS will obviously help him more here but I've yet to see anything from you or the Manga that would let him defeat Killer B just because EMS>regular Sharingan precog.

Except the Kyuubi chakra works different with the people of the actual Jinchuriki then the people who gets chakra shrouds. Do they get to heal like the Jins nope. EMS Sasuke striking feats alone allows him to counter Killer bee dance. He cannonly reacted to Juubito here[

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]. His striking speed nearly hit Juubito so i assume that was amplified as well? Lool. Trying to say Itachi jumped away lool he already dodged the entire thing[

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Sasuke striking speed>Killer bee. His reflexes and pre-cog with EMS Shits on Killer bee's killer bee gets wrecked plain and simple.

 

[NarutoX28]

The Chakra Cloaks only improved fodder ninja, but were implied to yield trivial benefits to all of the powerhouses in the War Arc including Hiruzen whose chakra is inferior to Sasuke. The Chakra Cloak did no such thing to Sasuke and to argue otherwise would be contradicting the idea behind Sasuke and Naruto consistently being portrayed as rivals throughout the War Arc.

 

[KidGamer65]

Except the Kyuubi chakra works different with the people of the actual Jinchuriki then the people who gets chakra shrouds. Do they get to heal like the Jins nope. EMS Sasuke striking feats alone allows him to counter Killer bee dance. He cannonly reacted to Juubito here[

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]. His striking speed nearly hit Juubito so i assume that was amplified as well? Lool. Trying to say Itachi jumped away lool he already dodged the entire thing[

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].

Sasuke striking speed>Killer bee. His reflexes and pre-cog with EMS Shits on Killer bee's killer bee gets wrecked plain and simple.

Lmao quit reaching and start reading what you are typing. No Jinchuuriki gets healing power from their Bijuu except for Naruto, and Naruto has the power of all his Bijuu while they only have it's chakra. Naruto's healing power is barely noticeable in the first place let alone those who only have a piece of his chakra. What's fact though is that stronger chakra=stronger ninjutsu. What's also fact is that the Kurama cloak boosted the Ninjutsu of almost every shinobi on the battlefield. Nothing but weak arguments here for why Sasuke magically gets no boost.

And lmao. No, again, read what you are typing. The Gudo Dama extended and Sasuke intercepted it. Juubito blitzed him literally 2 pages later. What striking speed of his almost hit Juubito's? You mean when he was in his enhanced Susanoo? :lol Susanoo is not Sasuke. Sasuke only needs to mentally react to have Susanoo act. Bold also makes zero sense. Did Itachi stalemate that attack? No. He retreated. That is a retreat. Evading his attack is a retreat. Itachi not engaging B in sword play isn't evidence that EMS Sasuke shits on him.

Your arguments are abysmal. Try again when you have something of substance to contribute. :lol

The Chakra Cloaks only improved fodder ninja, but were implied to yield trivial benefits to all of the powerhouses in the War Arc including Hiruzen whose chakra is inferior to Sasuke. The Chakra Cloak did no such thing to Sasuke and to argue otherwise would be contradicting the idea behind Sasuke and Naruto consistently being portrayed as rivals throughout the War Arc.

The only thing you can argue is that Sasuke's boost won't be as large as a fodder's boost because of the difference in their powers. Not that Sasuke doesn't get a boost at all. :lol Underlined and bolded are literally based on nothing. Where in this Manga did you see anything that implied Sasuke or other powerful non fodder shinobi got no boost from Naruto's chakra?

-Ino-Shika-Cho
-Rest of K11
-Hiashi
-KAKASHI

Are these people fodder now? Lmao come on now.

 

[NarutoX28]

The only thing you can argue is that Sasuke's boost won't be as large as a fodder's boost because of the difference in their powers. Not that Sasuke doesn't get a boost at all. :lol Underlined and bolded are literally based on nothing. Where in this Manga did you see anything that implied Sasuke or other powerful non fodder shinobi got no boost from Naruto's chakra?

-Ino-Shika-Cho
-Rest of K11
-Hiashi
-KAKASHI

Are these people fodder now? Lmao come on now.

It's implicit that those that did receive his chakra didn't need it and it's common sense that Sasuke's chakra transcends most of the ninja that were at the battle-field. This is why chakra demons such as Tobirama and Hashirama didn't even possess the cloak in the first place.

And yeah, those ninja are fodder compared to Sasuke, especially in Chakra Potency and Volume.

 

[KidGamer65]

It's implicit that those that did receive his chakra didn't need it and it's common sense that Sasuke's chakra transcends most of the ninja that were at the battle-field. This is why chakra demons such as Tobirama and Hashirama didn't even possess the cloak in the first place.

And yeah, those ninja are fodder compared to Sasuke, especially in Chakra Potency and Volume.

Yes, it's common sense that Sasuke is far stronger than them. Is it common sense that he gets no buff? No. That's based on nothing. We aren't arguing the bold so proving the bold doesn't help your case. Tobirama had the cloak. I suggest you read that part of the Manga again. :lol Hashirama didn't have the cloak because he was fighting Madara while Naruto was on the other side of the barrier fighting Obito.

In terms of chakra potency is Sasuke far above Kakashi? Yes. Is Kakashi literal fodder to him as in no name fodder? No. Is anything you've said so far evidence for Sasuke not getting a buff from chakra that is known to give buffs? No. That coupled with the fact that his V3 Susanoo that he manifested w/ the cloak far surpasses what he can do without it and you arrive at the very clear conclusion that Sasuke received a buff.

 

[ToshiZO]

If Naruto held a sword in his hand and you told people to rank them, would he be second despite being complete ass in Kenjutsu? Even though Bee outclasses him in that department, he'd still lose in a 1v1, because of the sheer difference in levels.

EMS Sasuke doesn't have that big of a gap between him and Bee for me to even consider putting him ahead considering Bee is stronger in this department.

Adult Sasuke > Bee > EMS Sasuke > Mifune > Zabuza > Kisame > Darui > Chojuro > Suigetsu

Technically speaking Mifune is the best in Kenjutsu along with Bee.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Adult Sasuke>B>Mifune>EMS Sasuke>Kisame>Darui>Zabuza>Chojuro>Suigetsu

 

[adeshina365]

Except the Kyuubi chakra works different with the people of the actual Jinchuriki then the people who gets chakra shrouds. Do they get to heal like the Jins nope. EMS Sasuke striking feats alone allows him to counter Killer bee dance. He cannonly reacted to Juubito here[

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]. His striking speed nearly hit Juubito so i assume that was amplified as well? Lool. Trying to say Itachi jumped away lool he already dodged the entire thing[

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].

Sasuke striking speed>Killer bee. His reflexes and pre-cog with EMS Shits on Killer bee's killer bee gets wrecked plain and simple.

The Chakra Cloaks only improved fodder ninja, but were implied to yield trivial benefits to all of the powerhouses in the War Arc including Hiruzen whose chakra is inferior to Sasuke. The Chakra Cloak did no such thing to Sasuke and to argue otherwise would be contradicting the idea behind Sasuke and Naruto consistently being portrayed as rivals throughout the War Arc.

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[Tauren Chieftain]

If you are talking about pure Kenjutsu skills (no Sharingan ,no chakra ,no speed blitz by rikudo chakra characters) than KIller Bee is first. Anyone who denies this is butthurt fanboy.

 

[sayian]

Did kyuubi cloak increase Lee's speed when he slice maddy in half

 

[Champ]

Bee fu.ckin Sasuke up has to be top 5. Madara cause he is like the God Father of hype