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Zoro specializes in CoA

Sanji specializes in CoO

Luffy specializes in CoC

This has been stated by Oda in an SBS. It is by no means unreasonable to assume Zoro has superior CoA to Luffy.

Having better CoA does not determine the outcome of a battle
Luffy has better CoA as Bellamy yet he could hurt him
Speed and the momentum that builds up with it count to , physical strength as well
Look the latest chapter , Luffy punched trough Doffy's CoA haki and send him flying despite his haki being on a lower level as Doff's as was seen in previous chapters
 

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Aren't u assuming a bit to much? Just because Doffy said Luffy's punches did not damage him (which btw could be blatant lies seeing as how he was coughing blood) does not mean Zoro could just take them just as easily, especially since Zoro and Luffy have always been somewhat equal in the physical strength departement

Coughing up blood stopped meaning anything when:
1. Luffy's punch made Garp cough up blood and covered his face in blood
2. Counter Shock covered Vergo's face in blood and Law himself commented that it didn't work
3. Doffy coughed up blood when Red Hawk hit him, and the wound was labelled superficial

Gear 2, on the other hand, made no visible damage to Doffy and just launched his body, which makes sense considering how strong Luffy is physically.
 

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Zoro specializes in CoA

Sanji specializes in CoO

Luffy specializes in CoC

This has been stated by Oda in an SBS. It is by no means unreasonable to assume Zoro has superior CoA to Luffy.

Zoro specializing in COA means that Zoro uses COA better/more than he uses COO or COC. Same for others and their respective specialties.
 

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Coughing up blood stopped meaning anything when:
1. Luffy's punch made Garp cough up blood and covered his face in blood
2. Counter Shock covered Vergo's face in blood and Law himself commented that it didn't work
3. Doffy coughed up blood when Red Hawk hit him, and the wound was labelled superficial

Gear 2, on the other hand, made no visible damage to Doffy and just launched his body, which makes sense considering how strong Luffy is physically.

Ok u have good points on the first 3 but still Doflamingo tanking Red Hawks and Luffy's continues G2 punches does not equal Zoro will be able to do so aswell
Btw how can u determine it did not damage to him and just launched his body? If someone punches me in my gut u won't see thing but it will hurt and I will be damaged .Just because he was smiling and say it didn't hurt? Luffy never had to much trouble either with shrugging of Doffy's attacks, but I bet they still hurt him. Doffy's cocky arrogant looking down on everyone nature might have been in play (a bit)
 
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Zoro specializing in COA means that Zoro uses COA better/more than he uses COO or COC. Same for others and their respective specialties.



I'm aware of that. I'm saying that given the information it is not unreasonable to assume they're better than the others in their respective form of Haki. This is not a fact, but a reasonable assumption.
 

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Ok u have good points on the first 3 but still Doflamingo tanking Red Hawks and Luffy's continues G2 punches does not equal Zoro will be able to do so aswell
Btw how can u determine it did not damage to him and just launched his body? If someone punches me in my gut u won't see thing but it will hurt and I will be damaged .Just because he was smiling and say it didn't hurt? Luffy never had to much trouble either with shrugging of Doffy's attacks, but I bet they still hurt him. Doffy's cocky arrogant looking down on everyone nature might have been in play (a bit)

Well, there's more indication that it didn't hurt than indication that did, so it's safer to accept it didn't hurt. It wasn't slowing down Doffy and Luffy abandoned using it, so there must be some truth to it.
 

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Luffy isn't at 100%, but the amount of damage he took and therefore how far from 100% he dropped is far less than the amount of damage took.

There's also the fact that most of Luffy's damage came courtesy of Doflamingo himself, while a vast majority of the damage Doffy took was a result of Gamma Knife. If we're looking at how much damage each has taken that's only from factors that exclude each other, i.e, damage they didn't inflict on each other, it reduces the amount of handicap Luffy entered the fight with in the first place.

Most of Luffy's damage was from Bellamy punching him from Hajrudin vs Machvise to Zoro vs Pica.
 

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Most of Luffy's damage was from Bellamy punching him from Hajrudin vs Machvise to Zoro vs Pica.

Even worse, considering how significantly weaker Bellamy is compared to Luffy, plus the fact that Bellamy was half-dead already, furthering weakening how much damage he could have actually dealt to Luffy. Doffy's damage coming from someone who is closer to him than Bellamy is to Luffy, and the attack being stronger than what Bellamy can dish out further makes it that Doffy received more damage.

Fact of the matter is, Doffy received enough damage to kill him had he not intervened, Luffy did not, so Doffy received more damage.
 

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Luffy is defeating a weakened Doffy? God Law's lovers can go to any length to prove shit.
Gear 4 has pratically outclassed doflamingo in every area. Akainu go trashed by a guy whose whole innards were damaged by magma and half of his face was blown away. And still people hold the opinion that prime WB can beat Akainu at High diff. And when it comes to doffy and law luffy is only beating a considerably weakened doffy (when his organs are actually repairing themselves). This base has members with awesome logic.
 

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Luffy is defeating a weakened Doffy? God Law's lovers can go to any length to prove shit.
Gear 4 has pratically outclassed doflamingo in every area. Akainu go trashed by a guy whose whole innards were damaged by magma and half of his face was blown away. And still people hold the opinion that prime WB can beat Akainu at High diff. And when it comes to doffy and law luffy is only beating a considerably weakened doffy (when his organs are actually repairing themselves). This base has members with awesome logic.

Repairing doesn't mean healing...

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It's plain delusion to think Doflamingo isn't considerably more weakened than Luffy is.
 

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It's plain delusion to think Doflamingo isn't considerably more weakened than Luffy is.

The fact is ther eis no proof Doffy at full strength could do anything if G4 Luffy starts punching him
He called Luffy's Kong punch 'obscene power' it's not like he suddenly forgot what his full power was like or was comparing it to his power in his weakened state
If he already thinks that of a low end attack imagine what a Bazooka would do
He is weakened yea but u can hardly call it a fight right now, Luffy is literally stomping him and throwing him around like some doll
I'm not surprised at all tho, this is what happens when u train for 2 years on an Island with a legendary pirate
 
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Also I would like to point out that having organs damaged doesn't effect the ability to use Haki or string abilities as far as we know, both of which make up the majority of Doflamingo's power, so saying that he is vastly weakened is silly.

And even though Doflamingo is weakened the power Luffy has in Gear 4 is completely over powering him, he could beat him in Gear 4 regardless of if Dofalmingo was previously injured or not.


G4 Luffy has Doflamingo completely out matched.
 
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Also I would like to point out that having organs damaged doesn't effect the ability to use Haki or string abilities as far as we know, both of which make up the majority of Doflamingo's power, so saying that he is vastly weakened is silly.

And even though Doflamingo is weakened the power Luffy has in Gear 4 is completely over powering him, he could beat him in Gear 4 regardless of if Dofalmingo was previously injured or not.


G4 Luffy has Doflamingo completely out matched.

Luffy also blitzed Doflamingo with Rhino Schneider. Gamma Knife didn't damage his eyes at all, so Luffy moving so fast that Doflamingo can't see him would also be the case if Doflamingo.
 

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Also I would like to point out that having organs damaged doesn't effect the ability to use Haki or string abilities as far as we know, both of which make up the majority of Doflamingo's power, so saying that he is vastly weakened is silly.

And even though Doflamingo is weakened the power Luffy has in Gear 4 is completely over powering him, he could beat him in Gear 4 regardless of if Dofalmingo was previously injured or not.


G4 Luffy has Doflamingo completely out matched.
Actually, it can hinder his ability to use his strings. While the strength and quality of the strings may remain the same, Doflamingo wields them by swinging his arms and legs. His ability to move is gonna be hindered by not only the pain, but also the state of his organs. He stitched them back together, but the pain hasn't gone away from when they were separating, along with the pain of them being dragged back together and pierced by strings. The flesh hasn't fused together either, they're just pieces somehow functioning because the strings are holding them together. It's not unreasonable to assume that it's gonna be a continuous process of stitching due to Doffy's being hit and thrown about by the force of Luffy's punches. Not to mention Gamma Knife damaging him internally is gonna also damage muscles around the organs, so they're gonna be sore and not functioning to their fullest potential. Organs are required to move. He's not gonna be able to swing with the same amount of force as much as before, and if he does, it's gonna cost him by adding strain to his body. Observation can be potentially hindered, as concentration is required to maintain and use it. Surges of pain from his damaged organs and muscles can dip his concentration, but that really depends on how well his pain tolerance is, and it's probably pretty good.

We don't know how Doffy with his full power would fair against G4 at it's full potential. We also shouldn't take these initial scenes of Doffy being thrown around to mean it's gonna happen throughout the entire fight. Lucci was also thrown around when he first faced Gear 2 and 3, and that was an extreme diff fight to the end for both men.
Luffy also blitzed Doflamingo with Rhino Schneider. Gamma Knife didn't damage his eyes at all, so Luffy moving so fast that Doflamingo can't see him would also be the case if Doflamingo.

His reaction speed has taken a notable and clear dip. Prior to Gamma Knife, Doflamingo was able to notice and physically react to Luffy's Jet attacks before they struck him, a clone was able to swat away a Jet Pistol. Now, Doffy wasn't able to notice a Jet Bazooka until it was already at his chest.
 

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Luffy is defeating a weakened Doffy? God Law's lovers can go to any length to prove shit.
Gear 4 has pratically outclassed doflamingo in every area. Akainu go trashed by a guy whose whole innards were damaged by magma and half of his face was blown away. And still people hold the opinion that prime WB can beat Akainu at High diff. And when it comes to doffy and law luffy is only beating a considerably weakened doffy (when his organs are actually repairing themselves). This base has members with awesome logic.

1. Anime only. Akainu never filled Whitebeard's insides with magma in the manga, that was added to the anime in the place of Whitebeard's face being carved, so in no rendition of One Piece were it "filled with magma and half of his face blown off."

2. Akainu and Whitebeard are on a whole different level than Luffy and Doflamingo. The two fights cannot be compared.

3. Are you trying to say Doflamingo is not weakened? You think his health and strength right now are the same as prior to Gamma Knife, even after Oda clearly expressed he has been weakened? It has nothing to do with loving Law, it's simply knowing how to read and comprehend.
 

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1. Anime only. Akainu never filled Whitebeard's insides with magma in the manga, that was added to the anime in the place of Whitebeard's face being carved, so in no rendition of One Piece were it "filled with magma and half of his face blown off."

2. Akainu and Whitebeard are on a whole different level than Luffy and Doflamingo. The two fights cannot be compared.

3. Are you trying to say Doflamingo is not weakened? You think his health and strength right now are the same as prior to Gamma Knife, even after Oda clearly expressed he has been weakened? It has nothing to do with loving Law, it's simply knowing how to read and comprehend.

I am trying to say that doflamingo is still 80% of the full health doflamingo. He clearly explained that his organs were repairing. it's simply knowing how to read and comprehend.
 

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The fact is ther eis no proof Doffy at full strength could do anything if G4 Luffy starts punching him
He called Luffy's Kong punch 'obscene power' it's not like he suddenly forgot what his full power was like or was comparing it to his power in his weakened state
If he already thinks that of a low end attack imagine what a Bazooka would do
He is weakened yea but u can hardly call it a fight right now, Luffy is literally stomping him and throwing him around like some doll
I'm not surprised at all tho, this is what happens when u train for 2 years on an Island with a legendary pirate

There's no proof to say he couldn't either... There's a reason Luffy has mentioned Doflamingo's injuries...it's to show Doflamingo isn't anywhere near 100% right now which makes sense since while Luffy is strong he's not as strong as 100% Doflamingo even with Gear 4th.

Also I would like to point out that having organs damaged doesn't effect the ability to use Haki or string abilities as far as we know, both of which make up the majority of Doflamingo's power, so saying that he is vastly weakened is silly.

No but it can leave someone incredibly exhausted do you grasp how serious damaged internal organs are?

And even though Doflamingo is weakened the power Luffy has in Gear 4 is completely over powering him, he could beat him in Gear 4 regardless of if Dofalmingo was previously injured or not.


G4 Luffy has Doflamingo completely out matched.

Baseless... There's no evidence to suggest this, If Oda wanted to portray this he wouldn't have had Law help nor would he have waited till now to show Gear 4th he would have used it at the start of the fight when they were both at 100%. Oda has clearly portrayed Luffy using Dolfamingo's weakened state as an advantage.

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Luffy pretty much says it himself...
 

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I am trying to say that doflamingo is still 80% of the full health doflamingo. He clearly explained that his organs were repairing. it's simply knowing how to read and comprehend.

No way in hell Doflamingo would die at 80% health and strength. He said he repaired his organs, and also made it clear that they weren't healing, meaning the damage is still there. What he did didn't reverse or negate the damage done to them, he just kept them functioning. People don't seem to grasp that Doflamingo would have died if he didn't stitch his organs together. He's far closer to 0% than 80%. The only reason he's still alive is that his organs are being held together by strings. Remove that, and he dies.
 

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Luffy has faster movement speed in gear2, but Zoro has enough reaction and striking speed to counter. Not to mention, he lacks power in the mode(especially if Zoro defends himself with armament and Zoro is a tank). In gear3, while having power, he lacks speed. Zoro's techniques however no penality in speed and power, making him a better fighter

This post makes no sense at all if G2 and G3 where ineffective against someone like doflamingo doesnt mean they are ineffective against someone like zoro, u just used the words of dofla to prove ur point but this time in zoros case, how stupid is that?
 

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