[Discussion] Rank these characters

Bogard

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I don't see how Ace equals Luffy.
I consider Jinbe more or less on par with gear2/3 Luffy and Ace a level above him, thus putting him around Luffy's level. Scenaristically i also still want to give Ace the benefit of doubt until Oda hints Luffy surpassing Ace(something i see happening when it will actually happen). Ace still has higher bounty, so it could be a debut when he will exceed it after defeating Doflamingo
 

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I consider Jinbe more or less on par with gear2/3 Luffy and Ace a level above him, thus putting him around Luffy's level. Scenaristically i also still want to give Ace the benefit of doubt until Oda hints Luffy surpassing Ace(something i see happening when it will actually happen). Ace still has higher bounty, so it could be a debut when he will exceed it after defeating Doflamingo
There's no way Ace can equal or beat G4 Luffy. One or two hits from G4 Luffy would be enough to defeat Ace based on how one punch from BB almost broke Ace's neck.
 

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BB was too scared to fight Shanks even after he ate the Gura Gura, so I'm pretty sure Shanks was a lot weaker back then.
I could understand why he did that. Shanks isn't a fruit user, so yami yami isn't as useful and he barely had any control over the gura gura as well, so base stats would have mattered most in the battle. Not to mention, he said it was too early to fight you guys.

He didn't have just Shanks to deal with, especially when he was already having his hands full with Sengoku and that the rest of his crew was depicted to be inferior to Ace(so couldn't help much against Shanks' armada).

Not saying he could have beaten Shanks though, but Shanks decided to use that argument in order to convince even Whitebeard concerning BB's dangerosity, so while he may not have been as powerful as he is now, he was probably still significantly strong back then for his argument to be convincing. Don't forget he had the potential to be the second division commander without any devil fruit
 

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I could understand why he did that. Shanks isn't a fruit user, so yami yami isn't as useful and he barely had any control over the gura gura as well, so base stats would have mattered most in the battle. Not to mention, he said it was too early to fight you guys.

He didn't have just Shanks to deal with, especially when he was already having his hands full with Sengoku and that the rest of his crew was depicted to be inferior to Ace(so couldn't help much against Shanks' armada).

Not saying he could have beaten Shanks though, but Shanks decided to use that argument in order to convince even Whitebeard concerning BB's dangerosity, so while he may not have been as powerful as he is now, he was probably still significantly strong back then for his argument to be convincing. Don't forget he had the potential to be the second division commander without any devil fruit
All that means is that Shanks knew BB with the Yami Yami would be stronger than Ace. Besides, Luffy's punches sent Doflamingo halfway across Dressrosa. Yami BB's punches never did anything close to that.
 
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