[Tier] Rank the Yonkou (past and present) along with other notable characters.

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Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman. That puts him above Shanks.
Didn't jouzo block his strongest slash? More importantly, you do know that by "the world strongest swordman" they mean his swordsmanship not the actual power. Cause that statement would contradict with the fact that Yonko are the strongest pirates in the world. We don;t even know if shankes solely depends on his sword...
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Whitebeard isn't a swordsman.
But WB uses that sword like weapon and mihawk is the strongest swordsman so does that mean that he is better than WB in this skills which shows that mihawk can give hard tym to WB.

Conclusion: stop putting mihawk above shanks bcoz your post is saying that he can tank many of the younkous.
 

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Didn't jouzo block his strongest slash? More importantly, you do know that by "the world strongest swordman" they mean his swordsmanship not the actual power. Cause that statement would contradict with the fact that Yonko are the strongest pirates in the world. We don;t even know if shankes solely depends on his sword...
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A swordsman doesn't have to solely rely on their sword, just use their sword consistently and regularly. Every time we've seen Shanks in any conflict, he's reached for his sword.

Jozu blocked one slash, so? Even if that was Mihawk's strongest attack, it'd be foolish to think he could one shot Jozu. Jozu also isn't a swordsman, so I don't see your point at all.

No, it means of all the swordsmen, Mihawk is considered the strongest. It's not world's best at swordplay. Does Whitebeard having the title World's Strongest Man mean he's the best at being a man? No, so why does Mihawk's title mean he's best at swordplay skill?
But WB uses that sword like weapon and mihawk is the strongest swordsman so does that mean that he is better than WB in this skills which shows that mihawk can give hard tym to WB.

Conclusion: stop putting mihawk above shanks bcoz your post is saying that he can tank many of the younkous.
1. Never said he could tank many Yonkos, tf did you get that from?

2. A bisento isn't a sword though...so no, it doesn't apply to Whitebeard.

3. Mihawk can definitely give WB a hard time since he's stronger than Shanks by portrayals so far.
 
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A swordsman doesn't have to solely rely on their sword, just use their sword consistently and regularly. Every time we've seen Shanks in any conflict, he's reached for his sword.
Additional factors such DFs and other special abilities. For example diamante is swordman yet he uses his hira hira no mi to flatten things and he even uses guns. Swordsmanship is just a style, one could have more than one style and still keep his original one.
Jozu blocked one slash, so? Even if that was Mihawk's strongest attack, it'd be foolish to think he could one shot Jozu. Jozu also isn't a swordsman, so I don't see your point at all.
Yeah, even thought I think mihawk would win, it means that he's could fight on par with people like vista and jozu, but those cannot fight equally with a yonko level opponent. That is my point.
No, it means of all the swordsmen, Mihawk is considered the strongest. It's not world's best at swordplay. Does Whitebeard having the title World's Strongest Man mean he's the best at being a man?
Being a man doesn't have levels or rather a man can never be better man than other , and if he is, then the statement is merely subjective. However you could prove being a better swordman by being the strongest at that field.

But anyway and even if we assume that you are correct, isn't it inconsistent to say that yonko are above all other pirates but mihawk is the strongest swordman and therefore is stronger than shankes............who is a yonko...........?


Conclusion: I can also say that shankes>mihawk since all the yonko are above other pirates
 
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Additional factors such DFs and other special abilities. For example diamante is swordman yet he uses his hira hira no mi to flatten things and he even uses guns. Swordsmanship is just a style, one could have more than one style and still keep his original one.
Thanks for proving my point further. If Diamente can be in the swordsman category despite using a DF, firearms and terrain, then Shanks can as well if he uses other things than just his sword.

Yeah, even thought I think mihawk would win, it means that he's could fight on par with people like vista and jozu, but those cannot fight equally with a yonko level opponent. That is my point.
One attack is a horrible basis to go by. Sengoku punched Luffy once and it didn't do significant damage. Does that boost Luffy to Sengoku's level, or does it reduce Sengoku to Luffy's?


Being a man doesn't have levels or rather a man can never be better man than other , and if he is, then the statement is merely subjective. However you could prove being a better swordman by being the strongest at that field.
If World's Strongest Swordsman means Mihawk completes the standards for being considered a swordsman better than anyone else, then being World's Strongest Man means Whitebeard completes the standards to being a man better than anyone else. It has nothing to do with levels, its as simple as that.

But anyway and even if we assume that you are correct, isn't it inconsistent to say that yonko are above all other pirates but mihawk is the strongest swordman and therefore is stronger than shankes............who is a yonko...........?
Isn't it inconsistent to say Mihawk is the strongest of all the swordsmen, but then say that there is a swordsman stronger than him?

Conclusion: I can also say that shankes>mihawk since all the yonko are above other pirates
Go for it.
 

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Thanks for proving my point further. If Diamente can be in the swordsman category despite using a DF, firearms and terrain, then Shanks can as well if he uses other things than just his sword.


One attack is a horrible basis to go by. Sengoku punched Luffy once and it didn't do significant damage. Does that boost Luffy to Sengoku's level, or does it reduce Sengoku to Luffy's?



If World's Strongest Swordsman means Mihawk completes the standards for being considered a swordsman better than anyone else, then being World's Strongest Man means Whitebeard completes the standards to being a man better than anyone else. It has nothing to do with levels, its as simple as that.


Isn't it inconsistent to say Mihawk is the strongest of all the swordsmen, but then say that there is a swordsman stronger than him?


Go for it.
Isn't it inconsistent to say that shanks in one of the four strongest pirates and then say that Mihawk is stronger than him.
 

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Thanks for proving my point further. If Diamente can be in the swordsman category despite using a DF, firearms and terrain, then Shanks can as well if he uses other things than just his sword.


One attack is a horrible basis to go by. Sengoku punched Luffy once and it didn't do significant damage. Does that boost Luffy to Sengoku's level, or does it reduce Sengoku to Luffy's?



If World's Strongest Swordsman means Mihawk completes the standards for being considered a swordsman better than anyone else, then being World's Strongest Man means Whitebeard completes the standards to being a man better than anyone else. It has nothing to do with levels, its as simple as that.


Isn't it inconsistent to say Mihawk is the strongest of all the swordsmen, but then say that there is a swordsman stronger than him?


Go for it.
Well, that's what I'm saying if you know that both statements are inconsistent, why not wait for some feats from shankes and then judge, rather than just assuming that mihawk > a yonko merely because of the fact that both of them are swordsmen?

At least in my case, I believed that they were both equal and after shankes lost his arm, people assumed that he was the strongest.
 
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Isn't it inconsistent to say that shanks in one of the four strongest pirates and then say that Mihawk is stronger than him.
Not everyone consider shichibukais as pirates since they work for the world government. Because of this, the yonko title doesn't apply to them. It's just like the revolutionaries who are in reality pirates but fighting against the government(unlike other pirates), but the yonko title doesn't apply to Dragon
 

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1. Never said he could tank many Yonkos, tf did you get that from?

2. A bisento isn't a sword though...so no, it doesn't apply to Whitebeard.

3. Mihawk can definitely give WB a hard time since he's stronger than Shanks by portrayals so far.
1. Putting mihawk above shanks,BM,BB implies that he can tank many younkous
2. Any sharp object can be use as a sword, mihawk used knife as sword on his first encounter with zoro.
3. :lmao:
 

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Not everyone consider shichibukais as pirates since they work for the world government. Because of this, the yonko title doesn't apply to them. It's just like the revolutionaries who are in reality pirates but fighting against the government(unlike other pirates), but the yonko title doesn't apply to Dragon
:lol don't even go there bro, it clearly states that they are still piraates here
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Not everyone consider shichibukais as pirates since they work for the world government. Because of this, the yonko title doesn't apply to them. It's just like the revolutionaries who are in reality pirates but fighting against the government(unlike other pirates), but the yonko title doesn't apply to Dragon
The revolutionaries are not pirates. They are rebels. They have a different aim than that of pirates. they seek to establish a new government. It was said that pirates do not generally pick a fight with the WG and that only the revs do that. And yes they are pirates, every single one of them is viewed as a pirate by the marines. The English term might be privateer who is a pirate who is allowed to take on pirating activities from the government that they work for. Historically they were still considered pirates and many viewed them the same way as they did pirates. In one piece this is the same. When they were first introduced it was even said that the shichibukai were a collection of 7 pirates.
 

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:lol don't even go there bro, it clearly states that they are still piraates here
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I didn't say they weren't. I said they aren't always considered as such. It's for that reasons the marines sometimes think they are ally to them since they both work for the government.

1- They work for the government
2- They have no bounty

The yonko title is for those who are actually pirates in daily basis and work against the governments as pirates

The Shichibukai don't conquer territories to become yonko
 
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Well, that's what I'm saying if you know that both statements are inconsistent, why not wait for some feats from shankes and then judge, rather than just assuming that mihawk > a yonko merely because of the fact that both of them are swordsmen?

At least in my case, I believed that they were both equal and after shankes lost his arm, people assumed that he was the strongest.
I fully understand and accept that Shanks can be revealed later to be stronger. But for now, the portrayal leans towards Mihawk or is inconclusive at best, so we go by how we choose to interpret.

1. Putting mihawk above shanks,BM,BB implies that he can tank many younkous
2. Any sharp object can be use as a sword, mihawk used knife as sword on his first encounter with zoro.
3. :lmao:
1. You have no idea what the word tanks mean. If Mihawk wins any of those match-ups, it'd be extreme diff and he'd be near death.

2. Nope. Just because it has a blade doesn't make it a sword. A sword is just one type of bladed weapon. That's like saying every gun is a pistol. Mihawk and Zoro even called the knife for what it is, a knife, not a sword. Mihawk uses it as a dinner knife.

3. Mihawk and Shanks had legendary spars and battles. How could they if Mihawk is below Shanks so far, saying they're close makes you laugh? Maybe try using your words next time.
 

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The revolutionaries are not pirates. They are rebels. They have a different aim than that of pirates. they seek to establish a new government. It was said that pirates do not generally pick a fight with the WG and that only the revs do that. And yes they are pirates, every single one of them is viewed as a pirate by the marines. The English term might be privateer who is a pirate who is allowed to take on pirating activities from the government that they work for. Historically they were still considered pirates and many viewed them the same way as they did pirates. In one piece this is the same. When they were first introduced it was even said that the shichibukai were a collection of 7 pirates.
Robin said they are pirates, but pirates who attack the world government

 

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I didn't say they weren't. I said they aren't always considered as such. It's for that reasons the marines sometimes think they are ally to them since they both work for the government.
Excatly and therefore they are
1- They work for the government
Wrong, they are allied with the WG, they don't work for them. Prime example of this is seen when hancock refused to help them at the beginning.
2- They have no bounty
Their bounties are frozen, it doesn't simply disappear.
The yonko title is for those who are actually pirates in daily basis and work against the governments as pirates
No you just made that upXD, any pirate, whether it's former or current is still inferior to the yonko(aside form former yonko and roger)
The Shichibukai don't conquer territories to become yonko
How does that weaken the point that they are pirates and thus are inferior to yonko?
 

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Excatly and therefore they are

Wrong, they are allied with the WG, they don't work for them. Prime example of this is seen when hancock refused to help them at the beginning.

Their bounties are frozen, it doesn't simply disappear.

No you just made that upXD, any pirate, whether it's former or current is still inferior to the yonko(aside form former yonko and roger)

How does that weaken the point that they are pirates and thus are inferior to yonko?
Long story short, you realize Don Krieg was considered the most powerful pirate in East Blue?
 
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