[Discussion] Rank the SHs and DD Pirates

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my only problem is that sanji above pica while by feats sanji would get crushed by pica but that just feats
but if we are going by hype then yeah sanji should be above pica after all i dont think zoro can low-mid sanji :bdpf:
 

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Oz gets crushed by Pica. Oz is nowhere near Pica.Sanji used one of his best moves to deflect Oz where as Zoro casually did it and same Zoro post TS was forced to use some of his best moves to beat Pica. Latest chapter pretty much conformed that it was Pica,Diamante and Trebol that trained Vergo and Joker means that Vergo and Joker learned haki from Pica.

Besides I said Sanji didn't display anything that makes him beat Pica so I don't give two craps about Pica not being able to see Sanji while using sky walk. All of Cp9 members can use it before TS still they didn't managed to do jack to SH's yet out of nowhere it makes a difference when Sanji uses sky walk? wow
when I say deflect oz I mean his kick had enough power to destroy the big body rock now Just imagine what he can do after time skip......yes exactly.By the way it's sated on wikia that sanji created sky walk which heavily implies that he learned it differently ,It also states that he demonstrated the technique .Just because they were older than him doesn't mean anything to vergo,Terbol stated that they were like family more than teachers.and anyway if we go by you logic their haki is suppose to be stronger than doffy's which is a compete nonsense. And that move wasn't even used ever again .......But still Ichidai sanze is one of zoros strongest attacks.

and you don't actually seem to understand how fast sanji is when using skywalk offensively .He traveled from derrsoa all the way to green bit(which is another freaking island) before doffy lands his attack
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and it was all a matter of minutes .
 

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when I say deflect oz I mean his kick had enough power to destroy the big body rock now Just imagine what he can do after time skip.

His kick doesn't have enough fire power to destroy Pica's golem. Not even attacks like Chinjao's head butt and king punch are capable of totally destroying his golem.



yes exactly.By the way it's sated on wikia that sanji created sky walk which heavily implies that he learned it differently ,It also states that he demonstrated the technique.

He uses the same principle as Cp9 and I don't even get how Sanji creating a move would make him look strong here.


Just because they were older than him doesn't mean anything to vergo,Terbol stated that they were like family more than teachers.and anyway if we go by you logic their haki is suppose to be stronger than doffy's which is a compete nonsense.

Never said his haki is above that of Vergo or Joker. Nothing actually hints that far below then either. My point is that he has decent mastery over haki.



And that move wasn't even used ever again .......But still Ichidai sanze is one of zoros strongest attacks.

I don't get your point here.


and you don't actually seem to understand how fast sanji is when using skywalk offensively .He traveled from derrsoa all the way to green bit(which is another freaking island) before doffy lands his attack
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and it was all a matter of minutes .


I know how fast Sanji is. You are a bit overrating him here. Nami and co are at the middle of Dressrosa and GB. The distance b/w Dressrosa & Sunny and green bit 7 Sunny was almost same. Sanji started before Joker yet they both reached Sunny at the same time.
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His kick doesn't have enough fire power to destroy Pica's golem. Not even attacks like Chinjao's head butt and king punch are capable of totally destroying his golem.





He uses the same principle as Cp9 and I don't even get how Sanji creating a move would make him look strong here.




Never said his haki is above that of Vergo or Joker. Nothing actually hints that far below then either. My point is that he has decent mastery over haki.





I don't get your point here.





I know how fast Sanji is. You are a bit overrating him here. Nami and co are at the middle of Dressrosa and GB. The distance b/w Dressrosa & Sunny and green bit 7 Sunny was almost same. Sanji started before Joker yet they both reached Sunny at the same time.
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His kick doesn't have enough fire power to destroy Pica's golem. Not even attacks like Chinjao's head butt and king punch are capable of totally destroying his golem
Now you're just talking shit. You habe no evidence of this and everything in the manga is counter intuitive to your claim. The Ice Continent is thicker and harder to break than Pica unless you believe Zoro could open it with his slash. King's Punch in it's unfinished form was able to break his arm off as a giant golem. They wouldn't destroy it in one hit but a bunch of those hits and they'd break it, it's just stone and many characters have shown to be able to overcome stone.

You know pre skip Sanji could kick through stone right?
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What makes you think new super Sanji couldn't blow apart Pica's stone golem it's just stone.
 

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Please tell me how anyone I put below him can beat him.
Well in fairness I did already mention how Usopp could beat him, by out sniping him from a greater distance and with more accuracy then Gladius has shown capable of and I still stand by my Brook > Gladius position but we've been over all that so no real need to re hash it.
 

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Well in fairness I did already mention how Usopp could beat him, by out sniping him from a greater distance and with more accuracy then Gladius has shown capable of and I still stand by my Brook > Gladius position but we've been over all that so no real need to re hash it.
Gladius can probably beat Usopp in a marksman battle. Usopp has more skills in marksmanship, but Gladius has deadlier attacks. Gladius beats Robin because he can use Metpunk, Blackium, or Fashion Punk to escape clutch. He beats Franky since he can just inflate Franky and blow him up. He beats Brook since he has great enough reaction speed to counter Brook's speed and has stronger attacks.
 

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Gladius can probably beat Usopp in a marksman battle. Usopp has more skills in marksmanship, but Gladius has deadlier attacks. Gladius beats Robin because he can use Metpunk, Blackium, or Fashion Punk to escape clutch. He beats Franky since he can just inflate Franky and blow him up. He beats Brook since he has great enough reaction speed to counter Brook's speed and has stronger attacks.
We don't know he has better reaction times than Brook's speed based on the few speed feats he's shown. Brook's music would put Gladius to sleep or in a trance if he got too close and if he had the upper hand Brook would start talking to him distracting him and use his humming slash and since Gladius would have been winning at thtat point he wouldn't assume Brook of being a risk.

Gladius can beat Usopp in a sniper battle? Now you're reaching that wank level. Usopp can hit from farther than the rifles in OP and he can hit from over miles away. Skull bombgrass is a stronger shooting attack than anything Gladius has shown. Burst Sleep Star and Impact Wolf Grassare also better attacks. Plus he has Karioseki handcuffs he can fire at an opponent and before you say "he'd dodge" Usopp is smart and an analytical fighter he would distract him or set him up like he did with Daruma. Usopp survived a Gastanet with little damage, Gastanet is = to or stronger than Gladius's bullets. And let's not forget Usopp has Observation Haki which Gladius doesn't and hasn't shown any signs of having.

I'm not talking about any of the others I said the two I meant, why bother bringing the others into it?
 

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We don't know he has better reaction times than Brook's speed based on the few speed feats he's shown. Brook's music would put Gladius to sleep or in a trance if he got too close and if he had the upper hand Brook would start talking to him distracting him and use his humming slash and since Gladius would have been winning at thtat point he wouldn't assume Brook of being a risk.

Gladius can beat Usopp in a sniper battle? Now you're reaching that wank level. Usopp can hit from farther than the rifles in OP and he can hit from over miles away. Skull bombgrass is a stronger shooting attack than anything Gladius has shown. Burst Sleep Star and Impact Wolf Grassare also better attacks. Plus he has Karioseki handcuffs he can fire at an opponent and before you say "he'd dodge" Usopp is smart and an analytical fighter he would distract him or set him up like he did with Daruma. Usopp survived a Gastanet with little damage, Gastanet is = to or stronger than Gladius's bullets. And let's not forget Usopp has Observation Haki which Gladius doesn't and hasn't shown any signs of having.

I'm not talking about any of the others I said the two I meant, why bother bringing the others into it?
He was able to easily react to Kabu, so that's enough for me since Brook doesn't have enough speed fears to suggest he could bypass Gladius's reaction speed. Brook's music only works in CQC, so Gladius can just keep his distance and win. If Gladius gets too close, he can just use his DF to wake himself up.
 
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