[Discussion] Rank the Espada
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Lord of Akatsuki
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Starrk has the faster speed feats with Sonido
In fact, both Barragan and Ulquiorra seem faster than Zommari.
kotoamatsukami
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Lol grimmjow seemed like he got stronger when he fought Ichigo in heuco mundo lol even you don't believe that,bankai Ichigo was able to put up more of a fight in hueco mundo meaning Ichigo got stronger grimmjow stayed the same.Dude, like I said before, Arrancar/Hollow's are naturally stronger in Hueco Mundo because of the greater gathering of spirit particles compared to the Living World. This is a manga fact, don't ague against the WoG.
Um, I don't know about that, Grimmjow definetly seemed stronger in Hueco Mundo. *_*
Lol.
You mean R1 Ulquiorra shat on a heavily tired (I'm pretty sure he was heavily injured as well) Ichigo
Shikai Kyoraku alongside Shikai Ukitake can take on old man Yamamoto in his Shikai....are you smoking something?
Yeah, Wonderwiess didn't have much of a role in their fight, besides taking out Ukitake.
Starrk did very well all things considered, not once did it appear that he'd lose to those two senior captains. He managed to take on two Vizard captains and beat them as well, so he clearly had plenty of power to spare.
R2 Ulquiorra is hard to gauge, but I'd place him at least at Barragan's level.
R2 Ulquiorra would definitely give Kyoraku quite a fight, but he'd still get stomped.
Edit: Well anyway, I'm of too bed, we can continue this conversation when I wake up, so merely reply when you can and in the morning I'll reply.
Heavily tired no heavily injuried no seeing as he sat an watched a whole zaraki an notitora battle while being healed.
So you saying starkk Is on shikai Yama level lol gtfo then that means starkk is as strong or stronger than shinigami aizen lol when aizen himself stated he was stronger than all espada combined so no...an Yama was not fighting them with a serious intent to kill like he was fighting the quincy with if so he would have wasted them an again Yama was fighting them way longer than what starkk did..like I said ulquiorra can easily last as long as starkk did versus thoes 2 seeing as he fought them for a very short time who knows how much longer starkk would have lasted..
An seeing as ukitake ability works well for someone like Yama I can see why they lasted in that fight for some time..but yea ulquiorra will last thanks to his speed an his ability to regenerate.
He took out a senior captain that's good enough.
O he would have lost if they wanted to go all out an use bankai but they had no intentions of doing so sense they were fighting together,starkk really could not do much but stay on the defense 80% of the time vs the senior captains that is....as for the vizards it was the same way until he decided to use his wolves an I dont rate them to far above Ichigo when they are only in their shikai forms.
R2 ulquiorra vs shikai kyoraku will problem be a tie or ulquiorra will win..kyoraku better have a lot of cutting power In order to get threw ulquiorra skin seeing as a hollofied getsuga tensho failed to leave a scratch you also have to watchout for ulquiorra wings..an his green stick things are very dangerous I wonder if kyoraku sword an counter one of thoes or will his sword just brake.
Lord of Akatsuki
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That was a joke dude. He did seem stronger cause he went all out however.
Ichgio indeed is stronger in Hueco Mundo as well, its the same thing with the Soul Society, except Hueco Mundo has special qualities for Hollow's.
Don't keep repeating the same thing over and over, the WoG (Word of God) states that Hollow/Arrancar's are more powerful in Hueco Mundo. Which means its manga fact.
Chad even felt stronger when he felt the atmosphere of Hueco Mundo.
Its kinda canon brah.
Orihime didn't get to heal him fully at all, and he was still very tired, he wasn't resting for that long at all.
No I'm not saying Starrk is on Shikai Yamamoto's level, he's still comfortably below Aizen.
It was directly stated in the Manga that together Kyoraku and Ukitake are the two strongest captains in the Soul Soceity behind Yamamoto and that they are the only ones capable of taking him on.
Its canon.
And Ulquiorra gets shat on if he tries to fight both Shunsui Kyoraku and Juushiro Ukitake.
Ulquiorra is slower than Starrk so nope, why is his regeneration so wanked? :hyper:
Who? Wonderwiess? He did that by cheating.
Starrk did well all things considered against those two in Shikai, it doesn't matter that they didn't go Bankai, in Shikai they're still the two strongest Captains behind Old Man Yamamoto.
Base Kyoraku can shit on Ichigo until after Ichigo fights Ulquiorra and gains that power up that allowed him to take on Gin. Gin can shit on Ulquiorra too. :yeah:
The ****? :bouncy:
:Omg:
Ulquiorra wont even register to Kyoraku if he goes all out from the start.
Kyoraku can beat Ulquiorra easily, please, just please stop wanking.
Forbidden Tale
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No. When it comes to Sonido, Zommari is fastest. What Starrk and Ulq make faster is raw speed.Starrk has the faster speed feats with Sonido
In fact, both Barragan and Ulquiorra seem faster than Zommari.
Lord of Akatsuki
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Byakuya matched Zommari in speed, whereas Barragan with his Sonido was keeping up with (and arguably blitzing) Soi Fon....
Starrk's speed feats are indeed better dude. He crossed all of Las Noches, and kept up with Shunsui Kyoraku and Juushiro Ukitake.
Ulquiorra went up against a much faster fighter than Byakuya, Ichigo, who's Shunpo is faster than Byakuya. Though Byakuya is more skilled.
kotoamatsukami
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If chad felt stronger than wouldn't everybody feel stronger so it's all the same.That was a joke dude. He did seem stronger cause he went all out however.
Ichgio indeed is stronger in Hueco Mundo as well, its the same thing with the Soul Society, except Hueco Mundo has special qualities for Hollow's.
Don't keep repeating the same thing over and over, the WoG (Word of God) states that Hollow/Arrancar's are more powerful in Hueco Mundo. Which means its manga fact.
Chad even felt stronger when he felt the atmosphere of Hueco Mundo.
Its kinda canon brah.
Orihime didn't get to heal him fully at all, and he was still very tired, he wasn't resting for that long at all.
No I'm not saying Starrk is on Shikai Yamamoto's level, he's still comfortably below Aizen.
It was directly stated in the Manga that together Kyoraku and Ukitake are the two strongest captains in the Soul Soceity behind Yamamoto and that they are the only ones capable of taking him on.
Its canon.
And Ulquiorra gets shat on if he tries to fight both Shunsui Kyoraku and Juushiro Ukitake.
Ulquiorra is slower than Starrk so nope, why is his regeneration so wanked? :hyper:
Who? Wonderwiess? He did that by cheating.
Starrk did well all things considered against those two in Shikai, it doesn't matter that they didn't go Bankai, in Shikai they're still the two strongest Captains behind Old Man Yamamoto.
Base Kyoraku can shit on Ichigo until after Ichigo fights Ulquiorra and gains that power up that allowed him to take on Gin. Gin can shit on Ulquiorra too. :yeah:
The ****? :bouncy:
:Omg:
Ulquiorra wont even register to Kyoraku if he goes all out from the start.
Kyoraku can beat Ulquiorra easily, please, just please stop wanking.
She basically heals him all the way seeing as e took of to the palace at full speed an was able to fight on par with base ulquiorra...if he was barely heals he would have been dealt with Ichigo with out having to use his r1 form.
You basically put stark on shikai Yama level by saying he was taking thoes 2 on an it did not look as if he was going to lose..thoes two aren't capable of taking him on if he's serious like nanao said even with two captains it's impossible for them to beat him.
the only reason starkk lived as long as he did vs them was the fact they weren't useing bankai an going all out an that's the same reason ulquiorra will last against them for as long as starkk did.
He's slower than starkk really? Where's the proff?...an its regenaration it allow him to heal wounds an grow back body parts Thats why it's being wanked an without knowing the correct spots to hit so he can't regenarate it will just make things that much harder for kyoraku.
There is no cheating on war an besides ukitake was looking at him an he was still able to take ukitake out from that distance...an the whole point was that he took out a captain an then allowed starkk to take kyoraku down which allowed starkk to have the chance to fight with two more captain level opponents.
They are not the two strongest captains behind Yama back then just useing their shikai's cuz unohana was still around then an as for current time shikai kyoraku would get destroyed by mutiple captains...of course base kyoraku can beat Ichigo but not the way r1 ulquiorra was...an yea bankai gin would beat shikai kyoraku aswell so what are you saying?
Bankai kyoraku can beat ulquiorria easily but shikai kyoraku no he will most likely lose if ulquiorra easily beat bankai hollofied Ichigo then that's saying he's stronger than most captains already at that point in time only captains being stronger than him are kyoraku Yama ukitake an unohana...kyoraku an ukitake being are stronger than him only thanks to bankai.
Just because an espada number is higher don't mean the lower level one won't put up a good fight or won't win for that matter seeing as grimmjow bested ulquiorra in their little fight they had....lol shikai kyoraku struggling with that one old quincy guy an you saying he can beat ulquiorra just useing shikai lol ok.
Lord of Akatsuki
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No, Hueco Mundo specifically enhances Hollow's, the only others with Hollow powers in their little group is Ichigo.
Dude, Starrk interrupted her from healing Ichigo fully.
No, he's no where near Shikai Yamamoto's level.
Oh right, now your using Nanao as a statement. Lol.
I never said they could beat Yamamoto, merely that together, they are the only Captains who can take him on without getting shat on within seconds.
Even together, neither Shunsui or Juushiro's power are even close to Yama's Shikai, but they're still strong enough that they can take him on when together and working as a team.
Basically. Yamamoto>>>Aizen>>>>>>>>Starrk>Baragan and Ulquiorra>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Harribel.
I'd have to say that the top three Espada (Starrk, Barragan and Ulquiorra) are all pretty close in power. The only reason why Ulquiorra loses comfortably to Kyoraku is because unlike Starrk, he doesn't have some of the hax abilities that Starrk has, and he indeed has lower speed.
Starrk has 1000 Cero's attack which he never got to use, has hax soul wolves that are un-killable, can adapt to different combat types effortlessly, quite a bit better when it comes to effectively figuring out his opponents abilities, I'd have to say a bit more Reiatsu as well, and more.
No, I don't get what is with you and Bankai shit, but even in Shikai Kyoraku and Ukitake are comfortably above almost every captain even when those Captains are in Bankai.
Ulquiorra wouldn't last nearly as long as Starrk did.
Starrk has better speed feats, blitzed Ichigo even worse than R2 Ulquiorra ever did, took on two senior captains Shunpo, must I continue on?
Ulquiorra can't regenerate inner organs, and Kyoraku is perfectly capable of turning Ulquiorra into paste from the inside out.
I still consider it cheating.
I said together mate, as a duo they were directly stated as the two strongest captains behind old man Yamamoto himself. Base Kyoraku would stomp Ichigo even worse than R1 Ulquiorra ever did.
Yeah sure, Gin could beat a Shikai Kyoraku after an extremely hard fight (one where he'd have to actually get serious).
:hyper:
Oh my gosh, what the **** did I just read????????
Why do you rate H2 Ichigo so high?
Also, you must've been reading something else, because H2 Ichgio was stomping Ulquiorra comfortably.
Grimmjow technically cheated and never fought Ulquiorra, anyway, Grimmjow himself seemed as strong, if not stronger than Noritora (did I spell that right?).
Yep, Starrk and Barragan are pretty close.
Shikai useless?
Oh my gosh, so I guess Aizen and Yamamoto, Kenpachi Zaraki and current Ichigo are all useless in their Shikai?:Omg::dunno:
Espada are now currently barely mid tier in current series, don't bring up shit that has nothing to do with this debate.
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Forbidden Tale
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When he kept up with Kyoraku and Ukitake it was his raw speed, which is different than sonido.
Is Ichigo faster than Byakuya is debetable. Because when these two were matching their speed in SS arc, Byakuya didn't used Utsetsumi. Which would tip scale in his favor. If you want to say that Byakuya matched Zommari in speed, it was only because of Utsetsumi, if you exclude that technique, Byakuya is also slower than Zommari, just like he is slower than Ichigo.
And it's debetable because it's not clear was Ichigo that fought Ulquiorra strong as Ichigo that fought Byakuya. Ichigo that fought Ulquiorra was mental unstable because of his hollow powers.
Also you are making mistake, because Ichigo's shunpo is not faster than Byakuya's. What Ichigo use is raw speed (it's not shunpo) and that speed comes from his bankai. Ichigo use shunpo while he is using Shikai and it was seen in SS that Ichigo in shikai (with shunpo) is not as fast as Byakuya.
kotoamatsukami
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Just give it up grimmjow ain't get no stronger so...No, Hueco Mundo specifically enhances Hollow's, the only others with Hollow powers in their little group is Ichigo.
Dude, Starrk interrupted her from healing Ichigo fully.
No, he's no where near Shikai Yamamoto's level.
Oh right, now your using Nanao as a statement. Lol.
I never said they could beat Yamamoto, merely that together, they are the only Captains who can take him on without getting shat on within seconds.
Even together, neither Shunsui or Juushiro's power are even close to Yama's Shikai, but they're still strong enough that they can take him on when together and working as a team.
Basically. Yamamoto>>>Aizen>>>>>>>>Starrk>Baragan and Ulquiorra>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Harribel.
I'd have to say that the top three Espada (Starrk, Barragan and Ulquiorra) are all pretty close in power. The only reason why Ulquiorra loses comfortably to Kyoraku is because unlike Starrk, he doesn't have some of the hax abilities that Starrk has, and he indeed has lower speed.
Starrk has 1000 Cero's attack which he never got to use, has hax soul wolves that are un-killable, can adapt to different combat types effortlessly, quite a bit better when it comes to effectively figuring out his opponents abilities, I'd have to say a bit more Reiatsu as well, and more.
No, I don't get what is with you and Bankai shit, but even in Shikai Kyoraku and Ukitake are comfortably above almost every captain even when those Captains are in Bankai.
Ulquiorra wouldn't last nearly as long as Starrk did.
Starrk has better speed feats, blitzed Ichigo even worse than R2 Ulquiorra ever did, took on two senior captains Shunpo, must I continue on?
Ulquiorra can't regenerate inner organs, and Kyoraku is perfectly capable of turning Ulquiorra into paste from the inside out.
I still consider it cheating.
I said together mate, as a duo they were directly stated as the two strongest captains behind old man Yamamoto himself. Base Kyoraku would stomp Ichigo even worse than R1 Ulquiorra ever did.
Yeah sure, Gin could beat a Shikai Kyoraku after an extremely hard fight (one where he'd have to actually get serious).
:hyper:
Oh my gosh, what the **** did I just read????????
Why do you rate H2 Ichigo so high?
Also, you must've been reading something else, because H2 Ichgio was stomping Ulquiorra comfortably.
Grimmjow technically cheated and never fought Ulquiorra, anyway, Grimmjow himself seemed as strong, if not stronger than Noritora (did I spell that right?).
Yep, Starrk and Barragan are pretty close.
Shikai useless?
Oh my gosh, so I guess Aizen and Yamamoto, Kenpachi Zaraki and current Ichigo are all useless in their Shikai?:Omg::dunno:
Espada are now currently barely mid tier in current series, don't bring up shit that has nothing to do with this debate.
He was basically done healing so zaraki called her over.
What I can't use someone in the show statement someone that knows all their spirtual pressure lol ok...they only lasted that long thanks to him not really wanting to kill them..we don't really know where to rank r2 ulquiorra..an to say stark is faster is kinda hard to believe,he don't need thoes hax moves he will just fight on par or with greater strenght than kyoraku his games will be counter very quickly after ulquiorra regenerates...ulquiorra is not dumb he figures things out his wolves are kill able I guess sense kyoraku got rid of them...an ulquiorra green stick things are probably to powerful for kyoraku swords to clash with.
Like I said starkk barely fought them...an if ulquiorra in base is on par with bankai hollofied Ichigo then he's easily above most captains in their bankai state aswell back then..an in his release clearly boosted his physical feats way more than other espada did in their release forms.
Lol speed blitz Ichigo lol Ichigo won't even paying attention to him he did not even know starkk was around so what you saying?..an he took on one senior captain shunpo ukitake won't attacking with his sword he was just standing back useing his ability..an no kyoraku won't be getting any clean cuts on ulquiorra an if he does it most likely be the right spots.
Like I said ukitake was looking dead at wonderwiess an wonderwiess still took him out smh.
No r1 ulquiorra could have been destroyed Ichigo he was just playing around with him I don't see shikai kyoraku winning as easy as ulquiorra did..no gin bankai is just to fast plain an simple an shikai kyoraku is a close range fighter which is suicide vs gin.
What are you talking about first off h2 Ichigo>>>>>>>>>>>>>shikai kyoraku ukitake an ulquiorra all together....an I never said anything about h2 Ichigo being beat by ulquiorra so what are you saying?....I'm saying sense he beat bankai hollofied Ichigo with ease he already stronger than most captains.
No he fought with ulquiorra but it was very short.
Shikai useless? What when did I ever say shikai was useless no I'm saying kyoraku shikai was useless against that old quincy guy an he won't that strong seeing as byakuya stomped him an 3 others easily..
The top 4 espada were equal to most of the letter quincy just not the elite ones juha an jugram or gremmy.
Lord of Akatsuki
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You sure? I'm pretty sure he used Sonido in that battle and even shocked Kyoraku by his speed.
I actually forgot about Utsetsumi.
True, but he was still being amped by his Hollow powers which logically means he should be stronger than SS Bankai Ichigo.
I'm pretty sure I saw Bankai Ichigo use Shunpo in his battle with Byakuya and he blitzed him. :dunno:
I'd have to say that Zommari might be the most skilled at Sonido considering how many clones with it he can make, but actual distance movement, and fighting speed wise he's slower than Starrk and Barragan and probably Ulquiorra. At least feat wise, at the very least feat wise.
Lord of Akatsuki
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Manga fact>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you. WoG>>>>>>>>>>>>you. Hollow/Arrancar's naturally more powerful in Hueco Mundo>>>>>>>>you.
You lose this one when you go up against Manga fact.
Very well, I guess I'll concede (oh, by the way, didn't she say I'm not finished but Ichigo said it was fine to stop and heal Zaraki?). There you have it, I've conceded this one.
Yeah, you could, but its debunkable, because she has no idea of Yamamoto's powers and merely said. 'I don't think even two captains can defeat him.'
Interesting, are you saying Starrk if he was completely serious could've easily beaten Kyoraku and Ukitake?
Yes indeed. we don't know how to rank H2 Ichigo and R2 Ulquiorra, part of me thinks he's slightly above Barragan, another thinks he's just slightly below Barragan. Its hard to gauge Ulquiorra's power. Its why I ranked those two interchangeably in my rankings.
Yeah Starrk is.
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Starrk appears out of nowhere, but is clearly in Ichigo's and Zaraki's sight.
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Stops and talks a little, and also merely lazily stares.
And Bankai Ichigo (fully healed as per you) and Kenpachi charge, note that the distance between them was minuscule.
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Starrk blitzes both of them, in such a manner that they couldn't react to his movement or follow it, Ichigo bewildered says to himself that Starrk and Orihime are "gone." Here we see that Starrk did not need to move or build up speed in any way to blitz Ichigo, he simply disappeared from his awareness with a single step. Given this fact I feel confident saying that Starrk in base possess better speed than Ulquiorra all the way up to R1, and probably even when Ulquiorra is in Segunda Etapa.
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This is the Ichigo R2 Ulquiorra blitzed (and blitzes). :bouncy:
Note that Ichigo's coat is almost completely gone. Not even a half or quarter left.
Edit: Ichigo even that exhausted was still able to somewhat notice R2 Ulquiorra's movements, which means he should be slower than Starrk.
Also as for the wolves, they are un-killable, Shunsui got rid of them by getting them to explode on their own.
I'll give you that one than, Starrk didn't barely fight Kyoraku though. Edit, are you saying Starrk was barely trying and thus barely fought them?
Normal Bankai Holofied Ichigo gets shat on by Kyoraku in Shikai, and probably even in base.
Already showed above, Ichigo did indeed know Starrk was there, he was looking right at him, as was Zaraki.
Kyoraku used Shunpo plenty of times in that battle, and Starrk was easily keeping up with his movements with ease.
Sure. :dunno:
Kyoraku's hax as-pull Shikai games can be long ranged and should be able to take Gin out. Though Gin will win, it'll be close and hard fought.
Are you saying R1 Ulquiorra is above Shikai Kyoraku???? :hyper:
R1 Ulquiorra is below Harribel.
Sorry, I originally didn't notice the Bankai Hollofied Ichigo, I just noticed the none bold lol, and assumed you were talking about H2.
Yeah, and he was getting his ass kicked and was only just keeping up.
Sorry, I thought you meant all Shikai were useless.
Okay than.
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kotoamatsukami
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Manga fact>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you. WoG>>>>>>>>>>>>you. Hollow/Arrancar's naturally more powerful in Hueco Mundo>>>>>>>>you.
You lose this one when you go up against Manga fact.
Very well, I guess I'll concede (oh, by the way, didn't she say I'm not finished but Ichigo said it was fine to stop and heal Zaraki?). There you have it, I've conceded this one.
Yeah, you could, but its debunkable, because she has no idea of Yamamoto's powers and merely said. 'I don't think even two captains can defeat him.'
Interesting, are you saying Starrk if he was completely serious could've easily beaten Kyoraku and Ukitake?
Yes indeed. we don't know how to rank H2 Ichigo and R2 Ulquiorra, part of me thinks he's slightly above Barragan, another thinks he's just slightly below Barragan. Its hard to gauge Ulquiorra's power. Its why I ranked those two interchangeably in my rankings.
Yeah Starrk is.
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Starrk appears out of nowhere, but is clearly in Ichigo's and Zaraki's sight.
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Stops and talks a little, and also merely lazily stares.
And Bankai Ichigo (fully healed as per you) and Kenpachi charge, note that the distance between them was minuscule.
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Starrk blitzes both of them, in such a manner that they couldn't react to his movement or follow it, Ichigo bewildered says to himself that Starrk and Orihime are "gone." Here we see that Starrk did not need to move or build up speed in any way to blitz Ichigo, he simply disappeared from his awareness with a single step. Given this fact I feel confident saying that Starrk in base possess better speed than Ulquiorra all the way up to R1, and probably even when Ulquiorra is in Segunda Etapa.
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This is the Ichigo R2 Ulquiorra blitzed (and blitzes). :bouncy:
Note that Ichigo's coat is almost completely gone. Not even a half or quarter left.
Edit: Ichigo even that exhausted was still able to somewhat notice R2 Ulquiorra's movements, which means he should be slower than Starrk.
Also as for the wolves, they are un-killable, Shunsui got rid of them by getting them to explode on their own.
I'll give you that one than, Starrk didn't barely fight Kyoraku though. Edit, are you saying Starrk was barely trying and thus barely fought them?
Normal Bankai Holofied Ichigo gets shat on by Kyoraku in Shikai, and probably even in base.
Already showed above, Ichigo did indeed know Starrk was there, he was looking right at him, as was Zaraki.
Kyoraku used Shunpo plenty of times in that battle, and Starrk was easily keeping up with his movements with ease.
Sure. :dunno:
Kyoraku's hax as-pull Shikai games can be long ranged and should be able to take Gin out. Though Gin will win, it'll be close and hard fought.
Are you saying R1 Ulquiorra is above Shikai Kyoraku???? :hyper:
R1 Ulquiorra is below Harribel.
Sorry, I originally didn't notice the Bankai Hollofied Ichigo, I just noticed the none bold lol, and assumed you were talking about H2.
Yeah, and he was getting his ass kicked and was only just keeping up.
Sorry, I thought you meant all Shikai were useless.
Okay than.
An Ichigo vs grimmjow was also in the manga an grimmjow failed to get stronger..starkk suffers the same fate in an out of hueco mundo.
Yea so he was basically fine that's why he said it was ok,so he then went an fought ulquiorra with his full strenght an got dragged until you know what happend.
She has no idea of Yama powers lol what how does she not know of his power? An she also knows of kyoraku an ukitake power an that's why she said what she said....what are you saying? I'm saying starkk is no where close to shikai Yama
First off Ichigo did not use flash step him an zaraki arrived at the spot at the same time but we know Ichigo is faster than him.. no Ichigo did not notice r2 ulquiorra movements if ulquiorria was moving his fastest like when Ichigo was looking forward an out of nowhere ulquiorra was grabbing the side of his head while Ichigo was still looking Foward...he really could not even follow r1 ulquiorra ether,there was no need for ulquiorra to move his fastest the whole fight an if starkk was fighting Ichigo,Ichigo would also react to some of starkk attacks...no kyoraku never fought the Wolves in the manga that was only in the anime.
I'm saying starkk barely fought kyoraku an ukitake when they decided to fight together...I know shikai kyoraku will beat bankai hollofied Ichigo in shikai.
No Ichigo did not know starkk was there until he showed himself beside oriheme Ichigo,they weren't expecting anyone else to even be around...an I don't believe kyoraku is very very fast I just believe he's a very good fighter,seeing as nanao wasn't to far behind him an ukitake when they were running from Yama.
Yea he was looking at wonderwiess did you not see that part in the manga?
Lol what game of kyoraku shikai is long range? Lol stop making stuff up,like I said getting close to bankai gin is suicide unless ur very fast like aizen was...lol ulquiorra is above halibel period she in base was having an equal battle with shikai hitsugiya lol unless you think shikai hitsugiya is stronger than bankai hollofied Ichigo then there is no way halibel is stronger than ulquiorra an ask ur self this is shikai kyoraku stronger than halibel?
Who was getting their ass kicked not grimmjow?
An naw just shikai kyoraku was useless while fighting old man quincy.
super yang
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ranked only by their release:
starrk
barragan
Yammy
halibel
Ulquiorra
noitora
grimmjow jj
Zommari
A.A. + kaen
Szayel A.G.
starrk
barragan
Yammy
halibel
Ulquiorra
noitora
grimmjow jj
Zommari
A.A. + kaen
Szayel A.G.
Lord of Akatsuki
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My gosh, are you still going on about this???? :hyper:
If the Manga says that A is indeed B, than it is ****ing canon.
Don't fight Manga canon brah.
Otherwise I'm not going to take you even a little seriously.
Um, okay..........
She doesn't, no one has seen Yamamoto fight in a thousand years brah, she doesn't know his strengths, his weaknesses, nor his actual power. What she said, to quote, was 'I don't think even two captains can defeat him.' I love how your inclined to ignore that she said 'I think,' meaning that she doesn't know.
Starrk isn't close to Shikai Yama, I never said such a thing. Cause Yamamoto>>>Aizen>>>Starrk.
Ichigo was so close to Starrk that Shunpo would've been useless, not to mention the power of his Bankai isn't Shunpo speed, but actual, raw speed. Zaraki was far, far closer to Starrk than Ichigo was, thus, Ichigo had to cross more distance. Yeah, Ichigo was able to see a few of R2 Ulquorra's movements, reread the battle. There wasn't a difference between R1 and R2 Ulquiorra's speed.
Ichigo would be completely unable to follow any of Starrk's movements you dope.
I know, I'm saying he laid in wait, and allowed them to explode on their own before cheap attacking Starrk from behind (a cowards way of admitting inferiority to an opponent).
Shunsui would be able to do that in base as well. Ichigo at that point was weaker than Kenpachi.
Ichigo was looking right at Orihime, then Starrk appeared, and he was looking right at him.
I'm pretty sure it was stated Shunsui went slower so Nanao could catch up, and they weren't running from Yamammto. They were getting him to come to a place were they could fight properly.
Yes, but it was still a cheap shot.
I don't know why this is even relevant?
:erm: Shunsui's Shikai long range ability is Bushogoma, you have selective reading dude. Though I worded that paragraph wrongly, Shunsui's games are close to short mid range.
Ulquiorra is weaker than Harribel until he goes into Segunda Etapa. Harribel was stalling for time in her battle with Toshiro because their attacks kept cancelling each other out. And no, they weren't equal, she was crushing him for most of the fight, he only surivived because he was ice and she was water. And as such they cancelled each other out. In fact, she was able to easily handle Toshiro and two Vizard with ease.
You really do have selective memory, Toshiro was in Bankai against Harribel. Also, Toshiro was pissing himself when she was merely in base.
Shikai Toshiro was able to go up against Shikai Gin, but no, Ichigo beats a Shikai Toshiro. Bankai Toshiro? No idea, he's a mid level captain prodigy who is far more skilled than Ichigo, but no, I doubt it.
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Grimmjow was shitting himself and admitted inferiority to Ulquiorra.
So yes, indeed you ****ing numbskull.
This is irrelevant, the Quincy are the newer villains and are stronger than the previous ones, also, which one are you talking about? You've lost me there.
Starrk>>>Barragan and Ulquiorra in speed, combat ability, swordsmanship and hax (Barragan's hax is better however, was merely saying Starrk has better hax than Ulquiorra).
Speed is measured by distance crossed, and Starrk blitzed Ichigo and Kenpachi so bad that they were utterly shocked, couldn't follow his movements to the point where he simply 'disappeared,' and wasn't 'there any more.' Not only that but he crossed the entirety of Las Noches with a single step.
Okay, from now on I've decided to not give two thirds of a **** and not take you seriously.
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