Raikri vs Nukite

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Raikiri doesn't have feats on that level. The only version of Raikiri that has cut through multiple large rocks at once is Raikiri Kunai, which is more penetrative than the original Raikiri. 3 Fingered Nukite can easily run through multiple Doton Walls (more durable than boulders) and through malleable rubber.
Are you talking about this?

Feat wise, even this is inferior to four fingered nukite because those doton walls had chakra in them and were thicker although the 3rd Raikage's superior strength and momentum is another factor in why his attack is stronger than ordinary Raikiri.

Where are the multiple rocks in that scan? I can't see them for some reason.
 

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Are you talking about this?

Feat wise, even this is inferior to four fingered nukite because those doton walls had chakra in them and were thicker although the 3rd Raikage's superior strength and momentum is another factor in why his attack is stronger than ordinary Raikiri.

Where are the multiple rocks in that scan? I can't see them for some reason.

Lmfao. Could've sworn it was more than one. Guess I was wrong. So yeah, 4 Fingered Nukite>Raikiri Kunai>Raikiri.
 

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^^There are multiple rocks in the scan. There's the obvious one, then there's the one in the far upper right corner that you can see Karachi sliced through earlier.
 

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Feats of something durable cut by 3-4 finger Nukite shall be waited for, accepting scans from anyone.
 

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Feats of something durable cut by 3-4 finger Nukite shall be waited for, accepting scans from anyone.

Cutting through thick Doton walls made by an army of earth shinobi.
Cutting through an elastic rubber wall.

What feat does Raikiri have that surpasses this?
 

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Why would Raikiri Kunai be more penetrative than the original Raikiri? It's the same exact shape manipulation but contains far less chakra so I don't see how you're coming to this conclusion.

The bold is obviously false.

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That pretty much ends most of the argumentation that can actually prove your point in this post. Then there's pure common sense, which would tell you that Kakashi has no reason to use a Kunai for Raikiri if it'd only result in a weaker attack. Reach is irrelevant, especially in the last case, since he shoved the Kunai through Obito's chest. Something he can easily do with raikiri.



Chidori put on a blade=Chidori. Kunai shouldn't be any different when it comes to Raikiri. The only way you can come to such a conclusion is if you are simply assuming Raikiri's lack of feats is evidence of its lack of ability to be as strong as a derived ability

Nope. Nope. and Nope. Chidori is irrelevant because Chidori on a blade doesn't contain the same amount of power as a regular Chidori does.

Pretty sure any Raiton sword can cut right through steel seeing how needles can penetrate 5mm of steel in the manga [ ], both 3 fingered Nukite and Raikiri>>>Raiton sword. Steel>>boulders in terms of pound for pound durability/density. Since we are talking penetrative power the force behind the jutsu should be irrelevant here, moving 3 fingered Nukite sluggishly slowly through the boulders would cut through them like butter as it passes, just like Raikiri would. Sandaime's feat just looks more impressive because of his sheer power. But in terms of genuine penetrative power nothing puts 3 finger Nukite at Kunai Raikiri level or Chidori penetrating v1 Ay level. Malleable rubber is a bad representative of a feat for a penetrative force since penetrative force is by far the most effective measure against it.

First of all, steel>Boulders in pound for pound durability, not chakra enhanced boulders. :lol And sluggishly? Are you joking? He was tearing through the doton walls with little effort and the only reason he was unable to get through in a matter of seconds is because the rubber wall blocked his 4 Fingered Nukite, but his 3 Fingered one ripped right through it.

Wasn't Raikiri unable to completely get past Kakashi's Doton Wall?
 

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Cutting through thick Doton walls made by an army of earth shinobi.
Cutting through an elastic rubber wall.

What feat does Raikiri have that surpasses this?

Doton walls are not as dense as steel, which regular Raiton sword/chakra sword can cut, which are <<<<<<<Raikiri. Being able to cut through 100 meters of Doton walls by running through with 3-4 finger nukite is no greater of a piercing feat than cutting 10cm of thick Doton wall with PURE piercing power. Think of it like this, Sasuke's Chidori cut through the whole wall by just being next to it [ ], but going through 10cm of it and 5 meters of it are the exact same thing in terms of piercing feats for his Chidori. Cutting through Ay's v1 armor>>>>cutting doton walls given Ay deflects Sasuke's sword without trying and can have Amaterasu on his hand for ~a minute without it melting off. Raikiri>Chidori.

The bold is obviously false.

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That pretty much ends most of the argumentation that can actually prove your point in this post. Then there's pure common sense, which would tell you that Kakashi has no reason to use a Kunai for Raikiri if it'd only result in a weaker attack. Reach is irrelevant, especially in the last case, since he shoved the Kunai through Obito's chest. Something he can easily do with raikiri.


Ok, then it's the same. No reason at all to say the derivation is stronger than the original when it's just a Raikiri being applied onto a kunai. Either way, Raiton sword>Doton walls<<<<Ay's durability in v1<Chidori<Raikiri. Nukite has nothing to put it past Ay's v1 durability.


Nope. Nope. and Nope. Chidori is irrelevant because Chidori on a blade doesn't contain the same amount of power as a regular Chidori does.

Based on nothing. Chidori Eiso is weaker, Chidori being put on the blade like this [ ] is not weaker by any means, unless you can support such a claim.

First of all, steel>Boulders in pound for pound durability, not chakra enhanced boulders. :lol And sluggishly? Are you joking? He was tearing through the doton walls with little effort and the only reason he was unable to get through in a matter of seconds is because the rubber wall blocked his 4 Fingered Nukite, but his 3 Fingered one ripped right through it.

Wasn't Raikiri unable to completely get past Kakashi's Doton Wall?

So now we're making up feats for chakra enhanced boulders? @bold, it was a hypothetical scenario for you to see why this feat isn't special in terms of penetrative power. He can walk and put his hand in front of him and he'll still cut right through them. Him being incapable of passing the rubber just means his 4 finger nukite is not that strong.

It pierced as far as his arm could extend . His arm was fully extended. Not being able to obliterate the wall like Sandaime does has nothing to do with piercing power, and everything to do with the difference in strength.
 
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Doton walls are not as dense as steel, which regular Raiton sword/chakra sword can cut, which are <<<<<<<Raikiri. Being able to cut through 100 meters of Doton walls by running through with 3-4 finger nukite is no greater of a piercing feat than cutting 10cm of thick Doton wall with PURE piercing power. Think of it like this, Sasuke's Chidori cut through the whole wall by just being next to it [ ], but going through 10cm of it and 5 meters of it are the exact same thing in terms of piercing feats for his Chidori. Cutting through Ay's v1 armor>>>>cutting doton walls given Ay deflects Sasuke's sword without trying and can have Amaterasu on his hand for ~a minute without it melting off. Raikiri>Chidori.

Doton infused with chakra is harder to pierce than steel which isn't enhanced by anything. Not even sure why you're bringing up steel or Part 1 Sasuke's chidori when neither is infused with chakra. While I can agree with the bold, your reasoning for Raikiri being stronger doesn't make sense. Piercing through the lightning armor itself is nothing special, it's Ay's actual body enhanced by his armor that makes him durable, and Chidori didn't even go very deep into the Raikage's body. Do you honestly believe, that three fingered Nukite can't replicate Chidori's feat considering Ay chopped off his own arm in one blow? Come on now. Add this to the fact that three fingered Nukite tore through Dodai's rubber wall, and it's pretty clear that Nukite is stronger.
 

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Doton infused with chakra is harder to pierce than steel which isn't enhanced by anything. Not even sure why you're bringing up steel or Part 1 Sasuke's chidori when neither is infused with chakra. While I can agree with the bold, your reasoning for Raikiri being stronger doesn't make sense. Piercing through the lightning armor itself is nothing special, it's Ay's actual body enhanced by his armor that makes him durable, and Chidori didn't even go very deep into the Raikage's body. Do you honestly believe, that three fingered Nukite can't replicate Chidori's feat considering Ay chopped off his own arm in one blow? Come on now. Add this to the fact that three fingered Nukite tore through Dodai's rubber wall, and it's pretty clear that Nukite is stronger.

peircing the lightning amour is special according to ay, and shown by 3rd raikage.

without armour temari's wind attack does actual damage, with armour he tanks frs with no damage.

where as ay cutting his arm off when its not armored is average tbh.

standard black rod peirced him with no armour.

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unless youre gonna sit here and bold face say black rod>raikiri.
 

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Doton infused with chakra is harder to pierce than steel which isn't enhanced by anything. Not even sure why you're bringing up steel or Part 1 Sasuke's chidori when neither is infused with chakra. While I can agree with the bold, your reasoning for Raikiri being stronger doesn't make sense. Piercing through the lightning armor itself is nothing special, it's Ay's actual body enhanced by his armor that makes him durable, and Chidori didn't even go very deep into the Raikage's body. Do you honestly believe, that three fingered Nukite can't replicate Chidori's feat considering Ay chopped off his own arm in one blow? Come on now. Add this to the fact that three fingered Nukite tore through Dodai's rubber wall, and it's pretty clear that Nukite is stronger.

Still nothing in front of Ay's v1 cloak. No idea what bold is supposed to mean. Temari's Wind Cast Net pierced Sandaime's body without cloak yet FRS barely damaged him with a cloak despite elemental advantage. The large majority of his durability is as a result of the cloak and not his own body. Sasuke's Raiton sword was deflected by Ay's body but Chidori pierced just fine. Raiton sword would chop the chakra infused boulders no diff, just like 3-4 finger nukite did/would. But Chidori>Raiton sword and thus NO FEAT or implication or anything at all puts 3 finger nukite ~ Raikiri's level or Chidori's level, seeing how Ay cut off his own arm un-cloaked.

Edit: Hopefully all of NB dislikes this post but fact remains that literally nobody can prove 3 Finger Nukite~Chidori/Raikiri when his feats can be replicated by a mere Raiton sword which is<Ay<Chidori<Raikiri.
 
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I swear 90% of the discussions on the vs sections are between apex and kg lol
 

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I swear 90% of the discussions on the vs sections are between apex and kg lol

Lmfao, I'm definitely right here though. Beans won't reply because there's nothing to refute, I gave straight facts. People will just dislike my post and act like it never happened in order to prevent the beloved Sandaime Raikage from losing feats. But I only give the facts fam
 

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peircing the lightning amour is special according to ay, and shown by 3rd raikage.

without armour temari's wind attack does actual damage, with armour he tanks frs with no damage.

where as ay cutting his arm off when its not armored is average tbh.

standard black rod peirced him with no armour.

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unless youre gonna sit here and bold face say black rod>raikiri.

Ridoku Rods aren't weak at all though, they stopped a giant Enton Arrow from Sasuke with no difficulty so they probably are > Raikiri.
 

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Ridoku Rods aren't weak at all though, they stopped a giant Enton Arrow from Sasuke with no difficulty so they probably are > Raikiri.

it took 3 of them to do so i wouldn't call that "no difficulty". mind you kakashi can break it with his bare hand. So no its not.
 

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Lmfao, I'm definitely right here though. Beans won't reply because there's nothing to refute, I gave straight facts. People will just dislike my post and act like it never happened in order to prevent the beloved Sandaime Raikage from losing feats. But I only give the facts fam

Honestly i haven't read the posts yet
 

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it took 3 of them to do so i wouldn't call that "no difficulty". mind you kakashi can break it with his bare hand. So no its not.

Kakashi breaking one has nothing to do with its penetrating power because its not like he caught it flying at high speed and broke it, it was in Pains hand, he grabbed it and broke it, that's all. They destroyed Enton Arrow when it was moving at high speeds and Raikiri isn't doing that, ever (except Ridoku Kakashi).
 

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Kakashi breaking one has nothing to do with its penetrating power because its not like he caught it flying at high speed and broke it, it was in Pains hand, he grabbed it and broke it, that's all. They destroyed Enton Arrow when it was moving at high speeds and Raikiri isn't doing that, ever (except Ridoku Kakashi).

kakashi breaking it is a reflection of how durable it is. Base kakashi can break it with his bare hand.
speed isnt a factor in any of the cases. raikiri kunai (or anything with the same durability as those rods) would net the same result if they were to clash.

Tbh that scan is irrelevant in this discussion. since it stopping the arrow isn't a reflection of penetrating power.
 

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If this is Kakashi without enhanced power he ties with four finger.
Sasuke after EMS gets to Two Finger without Ama.
VoTE 2 Sasuke destroys one finger.
 
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