Raikage + Tobirama V.S MS Sasuke + Kakuzu + Sasori

[Law Enforcer]

Team 1 takes this.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Does that mean he's using Jiton. No. It's already been explained how Gaara controls his sand. Via Chakra. Nothing else. I suggest we stop making up the manga.

Im not making anything up

Gaara control is base on Shukaku's chakra influence
Mother's will is what makes it auto defense

Shukaku's chakra nature is what controls manipulates surrounding sand.

Are these made up? No.

Baseless assumption.

How is this baseless? Jiton create magnetic forces in different properties and usages. Fact. In what shape or form, according to you since my claim is baseless, is this jutsu part Jiton?

Lol. You can pick apart the wording to try and prove your point just like that other guy I debated with. Sand isn't controlled via Jiton. There is nothing in the manga that begins to support that. So I have no reason to believe the sand in the Rasengan was created by Jiton.

This isnt nitpicking this is reading the scans correctly. I hope I dont need need to teach you how to read a sentence properly. Because yours clearly not, and in denial about it.

Do the laws of magnetic forces mean that the Kazekage can extend a magnetic force wherever he wants? Obviously not. Lol.

How is this even close of me implying that its field holds no limit to what it can extend?

Does manga support Kazekage has repellent properties for magnetic force manipulation? YES. Fact.
Does manga support Kazekage being able to use magnetic polarities? Yes. Fact.

These follow the laws of magnetic forces.

Yes, it does. He puts his chakra (magnetic force) in the sand, and controls it. What makes no sense is you saying he can control whatever he wants with no contact just because you feel like it. You have no real proof or even evidence.

Chiyo made it clear as day, what do you mean no proof/evidence?

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Iron Sand and Gold Dust were made to imitate Shukaku. Doesn't change the fact that Shukaku, and it's Jin, don't control sand via Jiton.

If you can correct me how Im wrong, from Naruto's usage example. Ill concede that point.

Manga fact 3: He puts his chakra into the sand to control it. When you can tell me how he'll put his chakra into Ay's bands w/o touching them, with some proof instead of nonsense explanations, then we can talk.

Even if you dont accept the fact that Kazekage doesnt really control magnetic forces, as Im interpreting it, Last scan I post even states using the IS itself as a living magnet.

 

[KidGamer65]

Im not making anything up

Gaara control is base on Shukaku's chakra influence
Mother's will is what makes it auto defense

Shukaku's chakra nature is what controls manipulates surrounding sand.

Are these made up? No

Shukaku's chakra. Please stop twisting what has been said and shown. Shukaku's chakra controls sand, just like Gaara's.

Not to mention Gaara doesn't even have the Jiton nature, so I'm not sure how we're claiming that his sand is controlled via Jiton.

How is this baseless? Jiton create magnetic forces in different properties and usages. Fact. In what shape or form, according to you since my claim is baseless, is this jutsu part Jiton?

The jutsu is Jiton due to the Curse Mark. Simple as that.

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This jutsu was used by Gaara, then used by Gaara w/ Shukaku's help. The latter is the reason it's classified as Jiton as per Databook 4, I'll get the article when I have time. Now, why would it become Jiton w/ Shukaku's help? Oh wait, I know.

Because the curse mark he added is due to Jiton.

This isnt nitpicking this is reading the scans correctly. I hope I dont need need to teach you how to read a sentence properly. Because yours clearly not, and in denial about it.

Oh I'm understanding it correctly, it's you who consistently likes to make shit up. Like Gaara's sand being controlled by Jiton.

How is this even close of me implying that its field holds no limit to what it can extend?

Does manga support Kazekage has repellent properties for magnetic force manipulation? YES. Fact.
Does manga support Kazekage being able to use magnetic polarities? Yes. Fact.

These follow the laws of magnetic forces.

Does that support him being able to attract whatever he wants w/o having to make some kind of contact? No. Shown in the manga. No amount of fanfiction is gonna help you this time pal.

Chiyo made it clear as day, what do you mean no proof/evidence?

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Read. Him being able to use magnetism to accelerate his Iron Sand spikes doesn't mean he can create a magnetic field where he can pull any metal object he wants towards him. We've already seen how Jiton attracts metal objects, and that's after they make contact with each other. FACT.

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Same as above.

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Yes. If they make some kind of contact, as shown by Toroi in the War Arc. As shown by IS failing to attract any kind of metallic object from Sakura or Chiyo, including the former's headband, which is metal, towards itself.

If you can correct me how Im wrong, from Naruto's usage example. Ill concede that point.

Read above. Gaara does not have Jiton. Yet he controls sand. Manga has explained how his sand is controlled, and it's via chakra. So the only way Naruto used Jiton in that Rasengan, is the curse mark pattern. That simple.

Even if you dont accept the fact that Kazekage doesnt really control magnetic forces, as Im interpreting it, Last scan I post even states using the IS itself as a living magnet.

Lol, IS was never stated to be a living magnet. It stated that the Kazekage uses magnetic forces to manipulate it in different ways. That's just you not reading the databook correctly cause you know it'll obliterate your point.


IS vs. Metal Objects is no different from Toroi's usage and there's no reason it should be. If there was a powerful living magnet, simply being close to it with a metal headband or a pouch of Kunai would be dangerous, yet nothing happened to Sakura.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Alright ill concede.

I still fail to understand how Jiton, to create magnetic forces in different properties and usages, has something to do with Juinjutsu, used to restrict movement or unseal objects either from within something or someone.

 

[Mugen Onsa]

Tobirama solos low diff... Rofl

 

[Zexion~]

Gaara's sand has nothing to do with Jinton.

But KG Comparing a how two people utilize the same kind of jutsu is irrelevant, especially if they're from different villages.

I mean I didn't read everything but there clearly is a magnetic force if the IS itself is being controlled at all Lol nothing states this force is limited to IS?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Honestly, this match up can go either way for me, as I see Team 2 being underestimated here. OP stated they end up meeting each other in 1/2miles. This is plenty of time for T1 and T2 to prepped themselves before encountering each other, as I expect Team (Tobirama) start planting and tagging Ay, for preparation.

By manga intel, Team 2 know that these are the fastest characters here, so why even bothering running towards them and meet them half way to encounter each other, by starting the match? How about waiting for them to come to them? With that said, Manga intel is shared and will have to win base on strategy. All of these characters are intelligent/battle strategist, to begin with.

Sasori can have Kazkage out, with IS ready to use.

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Kakuzu can have 2 hearts out. Share intel knows Wind style is his best bet to be out, and 2nd his featless heart out of the 5 he has, can hide and arm underground for worst case scenario.

Inbetween the forest, is a perfect chance for Sasori and Kakuzu to use Sand Drizzle+Wind style combo. Sasori changing its repellent properties is much more lethal and superior then

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, yet alone Kakuzu's wind style is more destructive force, behind the attack of wind,

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The force behind IS drizzle attack can definitely barrage through the forest and reach 1/2 miles in secs, wither its slow down, it can still be an opportunity to attach sand particles on Tobirama's armored plate, or Ay's belt, either one of them. Lacking manga intel on these attacks, might gain a chance to work, yet alone Sasuke in the air as decoy. Its also possible that the sand reaches to where planted Kunais Tobirama set up.

Successfully having to attach magnetic properties on

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is crucial to win this match up. They can work from there to make such they successfully land hits.

 

[Zexion~]

Honestly, this match up can go either way for me, as I see Team 2 being underestimated here. OP stated they end up meeting each other in 1/2miles. This is plenty of time for T1 and T2 to prepped themselves before encountering each other, as I expect Team (Tobirama) start planting and tagging Ay, for preparation.

By manga intel, Team 2 know that these are the fastest characters here, so why even bothering running towards them and meet them half way to encounter each other, by starting the match? How about waiting for them to come to them? With that said, Manga intel is shared and will have to win base on strategy. All of these characters are intelligent/battle strategist, to begin with.

Sasori can have Kazkage out, with IS ready to use.

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Kakuzu can have 2 hearts out. Share intel knows Wind style is his best bet to be out, and 2nd his featless heart out of the 5 he has, can hide and arm underground for worst case scenario.

Inbetween the forest, is a perfect chance for Sasori and Kakuzu to use Sand Drizzle+Wind style combo. Sasori changing its repellent properties is much more lethal and superior then

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, yet alone Kakuzu's wind style is more destructive force, behind the attack of wind,

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.

The force behind IS drizzle attack can definitely barrage through the forest and reach 1/2 miles in secs, wither its slow down, it can still be an opportunity to attach sand particles on Tobirama's armored plate, or Ay's belt, either one of them. Lacking manga intel on these attacks, might gain a chance to work, yet alone Sasuke in the air as decoy. Its also possible that the sand reaches to where planted Kunais Tobirama set up.

Successfully having to attach magnetic properties on

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is crucial to win this match up. They can work from there to make such they successfully land hits.

This is NB. Akatsuki are always underestimated while Kages are always overestimated Lol

 

[BenjerminGaye]

This is NB. Akatsuki are always underestimated while Kages are always overestimated Lol

You know damn well that's not the reason we under estimate these specific akatsuki members.

 

[Zexion~]

You know damn well that's not the reason we under estimate these specific akatsuki members.

Lol its evident. Kishi killed them so swiftly it makes them seem weak in comparison to those protagonists who have nothing but hype to their name

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Lol its evident. Kishi killed them so swiftly it makes them seem weak in comparison to those protagonists who have nothing but hype to their name

Don't make me say the true reason dawg. It's not gonna b nice.

 

[Zexion~]

Don't make me say the true reason dawg. It's not gonna b nice.

Lol....kage are booty

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Lol....kage are booty

Kages don't get bamboozled by pre sage mode naruto and sanbagging sakura.

And in sasori's cased they DEFINITELY don't get blitzed by the likes of sai. which even juubi clones reacted to.

#UmadeMeDoIt.

 

[Zexion~]

Kages don't get bamboozled by pre sage mode naruto and sanbagging sakura.

Wow low blow

Plot trolls the both of them. Kishi literally contradicted his Data book it states in the DB that when in long range mode Kakuzu has no blind spots.....

As for Sakura how she avoided ISWO with just a scratch on the shoulder is a troll in itself

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Wow low blow

Plot trolls the both of them. Kishi literally contradicted his Data book it states in the DB that when in long range mode Kakuzu has no blind spots.....

As for Sakura how she avoided ISWO with just a scratch on the shoulder is a troll in itself

I told you not to make me do it.

I'm out here tryna Be politically correct.

 

[KidGamer65]

Gaara's sand has nothing to do with Jinton.

But KG Comparing a how two people utilize the same kind of jutsu is irrelevant, especially if they're from different villages.

I mean I didn't read everything but there clearly is a magnetic force if the IS itself is being controlled at all Lol nothing states this force is limited to IS?

Then there's nothing more for me to say. Read everything and then you'll realize why it makes zero sense to say Iron Sand is some kind of magical magnet. Being manipulated by magnetic force=/=Being a magnet, as the manga shows.

 

[Zexion~]

Then there's nothing more for me to say. Read everything and then you'll realize why it makes zero sense to say Iron Sand is some kind of magical magnet. Being manipulated by magnetic force=/=Being a magnet, as the manga shows.

What? Its not IS that would magnetize the metal items of the opponent it would be the force itself..

 

[KidGamer65]

What? Its not IS that would magnetize the metal items of the opponent it would be the force itself..

The force itself is limited to the control of the sand, as the manga shows. If there was some strong magnetic field pulling metallic objects towards the Iron Sand, then it would've happened in the manga. Toroi (Even if he's from another village, same exact nature transformation we are talking about) wouldn't have needed to touch his opponent's metal items to attract them, he would've just had to use the magnetic field around his own weapons to attract them.

 

[Zexion~]

The force itself is limited to the control of the sand, as the manga shows. If there was some strong magnetic field pulling metallic objects towards the Iron Sand, then it would've happened in the manga. Toroi (Even if he's from another village, same exact nature transformation we are talking about) wouldn't have needed to touch his opponent's metal items to attract them, he would've just had to use the magnetic field around his own weapons to attract them.

Yeah but notice how Toroi has to still manually move around his weapons himself

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Look closely at how the magnetic force is merely around the shurikan itself (bottom right) Unlike Sasori's which is a large AoE field constantly pumped out of the third

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That is why the weapons must touch in Toroi's case as the magnetic field is only around said weapons, when in Sasori's its covering the battlefield. Its like the difference between an AoE and a Proctile fuuton element attack my man Lol

 

[KidGamer65]

Yeah but notice how Toroi has to still manually move around his weapons himself

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Look closely at how the magnetic force is merely around the shurikan itself (bottom right) Unlike Sasori's which is a large AoE field constantly pumped out of the third

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That is why the weapons must touch in Toroi's case as the magnetic field is only around said weapons, when in Sasori's its covering the battlefield. Its like the difference between an AoE and a Proctile fuuton element attack my man Lol

Except Sasori's isn't a large AoE field. That field was only shown in the compartment where the Kazekage fires the IS spikes. Nowhere else. Sasori's doesn't even begin to cover the whole battlefield. Not even close. Nor does that change the rest of my post.