Raikage + Tobirama V.S MS Sasuke + Kakuzu + Sasori

[Chronicles of Sasuke]

team 1 wins

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Well...
Im obviously speaking on a no knowledge scenario. Unless you are arguing that the Raikage always take of his gauntlets before each fight.

Each team has basic intel on EACH INDIVIDUAL

Did you not read the OP?

 

[Zexion~]

Lol. Why do people think that Sasori can magically attract all metallic weapons? Magnetism only takes effect when he hits the metal item, as shown during the War Arc. That leads us to the question of whether or not he can hit Ay.

Considering he had trouble hitting and old lady and Sakura from the beginning of part 2....I'm gonna go ahead and say that his Iron Sand is never touching Ay. Including World Method. Easily evaded.


Tbh, Tobirama would rape this dude even w/o having to mark his Kunai. Stop putting Kakuzu on people like Tobirama and Minato's level when the manga, by feats and by portrayal, clearly shows that he's a million tiers below them. It's ridiculous.

-Shunshin he can't react to.

-Clones.

-Hiraishin.

He can teleport to hand marked areas or to his clones. No need for Kunai.

Kakuzu landing a hit on either one of them is nothing but a joke. His moves are not top tier in speed or destructive power. Kakashi evaded one at almost point blank range. Kakashi intercepted the fastest one with ease. Kakashi is not on Tobirama's speed tier.



All 3? Ay AND Tobirama. Tobirama takes out Sasuke, and Ay takes out Sasori and Kakuzu with no more than mid-high difficulty. Probably mid. They can't hurt him with anything but Gian, which isn't going to hit him.

If OP meant the Third Raikage, then this is a stomp.

*sigh* my man my man,

We all know why Kakashi did what he did, you realize Pre-Cog is an added bonus right? He saw the Raiton coming while he was avoiding the Fuuton heart and merely avoided it at the Raiton. Im not saying Tobirama can't avoid the jutsu head on, but clone FTG is useless against Kakuzu thanks to long range mode lml.

Ill be happy to oblige you with clear cut arguments.

Anyone who managed to fight that last fight merely gets hyped to no end lml.

All 3? Ay AND Tobirama. Tobirama takes out Sasuke, and Ay takes out Sasori and Kakuzu with no more than mid-high difficulty. Probably mid. They can't hurt him with anything but Gian, which isn't going to hit him.

And you assume it would be split up why? Major reason why team battles can't be debated seriously is that assumption Lol.

Anyways fuuton>raiton my man... last time I checked Ay's body wasn't the thirds....

 

[KidGamer65]

*sigh* my man my man,

We all know why Kakashi did what he did, you realize Pre-Cog is an added bonus right? He saw the Raiton coming while he was avoiding the Fuuton heart and merely avoided it at the Raiton. Im not saying Tobirama can't avoid the jutsu head on, but clone FTG is useless against Kakuzu thanks to long range mode lml.

Pre cog is irrelevant, because it doesn't make Kakashi faster than Tobirama, nor does it mean Kakashi reacts faster than Tobirama, unless we have scans of the former reacting to Juubito's Shunshin.

Kakuzu's long range mode is only good if he can hit his opponent or keep them away with his threads, considering Tobirama is fast enough to literally dance around his attacks, he gets his main body just like the slower Naruto did and tags him, and subsequently ends his life.

Ill be happy to oblige you with clear cut arguments.

I'll be waiting.

Anyone who managed to fight that last fight merely gets hyped to no end lml.

Nah, it's just being able to tell who's at the top, and who's not. Lol. Anyone reading the manga should be able to tell that the participants of the last fight are at a level far above that of the mere Akatsuki, bar people like Itachi and Obito. Simple reading comprehension should tell you that. Feats show it even more. These guys aren't anything to Tobirama. He slays Kakuzu with ease.

And you assume it would be split up why? Major reason why team battles can't be debated seriously is that assumption Lol.

It's split up because logically that's how this battle would go. If you don't think it'll be split up, explain to me how they can stop Ay and Tobirama from singling them out and picking them off that way. Team battles are truly team battles when the people fighting together have a moveset that works well with the other teammate. That is not the case here.

Anyways fuuton>raiton my man... last time I checked Ay's body wasn't the thirds....

Fuuton>raiton doesn't mean that Kakuzu's attack can hurt him. Lol. Not being his father's doesn't

 

[Zexion~]

Pre cog is irrelevant, because it doesn't make Kakashi faster than Tobirama, nor does it mean Kakashi reacts faster than Tobirama, unless we have scans of the former reacting to Juubito's Shunshin.

Kakuzu's long range mode is only good if he can hit his opponent or keep them away with his threads, considering Tobirama is fast enough to literally dance around his attacks, he gets his main body just like the slower Naruto did and tags him, and subsequently ends his life.



I'll be waiting.


Nah, it's just being able to tell who's at the top, and who's not. Lol. Anyone reading the manga should be able to tell that the participants of the last fight are at a level far above that of the mere Akatsuki, bar people like Itachi and Obito. Simple reading comprehension should tell you that. Feats show it even more. These guys aren't anything to Tobirama. He slays Kakuzu with ease.



It's split up because logically that's how this battle would go. If you don't think it'll be split up, explain to me how they can stop Ay and Tobirama from singling them out and picking them off that way. Team battles are truly team battles when the people fighting together have a moveset that works well with the other teammate. That is not the case here.



Fuuton>raiton doesn't mean that Kakuzu's attack can hurt him. Lol. Not being his father's doesn't

Lml Naruto struck him because he was in the air. And he didn't see him. but yeah if Tobirama has FTG Kunai now a days he wins but just like Minato an argument can be made for Kakuzu

 

[Lariatoo]

Did you not read the OP?

Welp. Then Team one definitly wins then...
But I could swear that was put later...

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Welp. Then Team one definitly wins then...
But I could swear that was put later...

That was there since day one. Along with the half mile start distance and the forest.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Lol. Why do people think that Sasori can magically attract all metallic weapons? Magnetism only takes effect when he hits the metal item, as shown during the War Arc. That leads us to the question of whether or not he can hit Ay.

Difference between Cloud ninja Magnet release and Sand ninja is that Sand "influence use" is base on how Shukaku controls sand/metal with its KKG.

Naruto pretty much confirmed that Sand is part of Jiton use. Does Gaara (or Shukaku) have to attach their "sand" to other sand for it to connect its chakra? Nope. Their Jiton use is base on creating their own magnetic field for manipulation.

 

[AmaniPaz]

Team 1 Mid diff

 

[KidGamer65]

Lml Naruto struck him because he was in the air. And he didn't see him. but yeah if Tobirama has FTG Kunai now a days he wins but just like Minato an argument can be made for Kakuzu

Lol, no argument can be made, but ok.

 

[KidGamer65]

Difference between Cloud ninja Magnet release and Sand ninja is that Sand "influence use" is base on how Shukaku controls sand/metal with its KKG.

Naruto pretty much confirmed that Sand is part of Jiton use. Does Gaara (or Shukaku) have to attach their "sand" to other sand for it to connect its chakra? Nope. Their Jiton use is base on creating their own magnetic field for manipulation.

Lol. Gaara controls his sand with chakra. So if there is Jiton in there, it's because of the chakra in the sand.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Lol. Gaara controls his sand with chakra. So if there is Jiton in there, it's because of the chakra in the sand.

Agree. Which doesnt = preexisting "sand" needs to touch non existent "sand" or another sense: Preexisting iron needs to touch non existing "metal objects" to gain control. The Kazkage uses his chakra to create mangetic field and controls it the same way Gaara controls any sand around him.

 

[KidGamer65]

Agree. Which doesnt = preexisting "sand" needs to touch non existent "sand" or another sense: Preexisting iron needs to touch non existing "metal objects" to gain control. The Kazkage uses his chakra to create mangetic field and controls it the same way Gaara controls any sand around him.

Ok, first of all. Gaara's sand isn't controlled via Jiton, it's controlled via pure chakra. His father uses Jiton. Shukaku uses Jiton only through the curse marks on it's body, that's how Jiton Rasengan binds the target. Second of all, Rasa and the Third Kazekage use Jiton to magnetize Gold Dust and Iron Sand allowing them to control it like Shukaku controls Sand. They have a finite amount of dust/sand, so they were able to magnetize it all. Doesn't change the fact that they can't magically magnetize something they haven't come in contact with. Doesn't make sense.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Ok, first of all. Gaara's sand isn't controlled via Jiton, it's controlled via pure chakra. His father uses Jiton. Shukaku uses Jiton only through the curse marks on it's body, that's how Jiton Rasengan binds the target. Second of all, Rasa and the Third Kazekage use Jiton to magnetize Gold Dust and Iron Sand allowing them to control it like Shukaku controls Sand. They have a finite amount of dust/sand, so they were able to magnetize it all. Doesn't change the fact that they can't magically magnetize something they haven't come in contact with. Doesn't make sense.

Gaara control is under the influence of his Buijuu (regardless if it was removed or not)
Jiton has nothing to do with Fuinjutsu, I have no idea how you got to that conclusion.
Everything else I agree with, but last sentence. How does it not make sense? Does Magneto need to make contact with metal he controls, to control other magnetic?

 

[KidGamer65]

Gaara control is under the influence of his Buijuu (regardless if it was removed or not)

And Shukaku controls sand via chakra.

Jiton has nothing to do with Fuinjutsu, I have no idea how you got to that conclusion.

Yes, it does. No reason to call it Jiton Rasengan if it has nothing to do with Jiton.

Everything else I agree with, but last sentence. How does it not make sense? Does Magneto need to make contact with metal he controls, to control other magnetic?

That's a different universe with different laws.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

And Shukaku controls sand via chakra.


Yes, it does. No reason to call it Jiton Rasengan if it has nothing to do with Jiton.



That's a different universe with different laws.

- His chakra manipulation is base on Jiton.

- Being called Jiton Rasengan doesnt mean Jiton has something to do with Fuinjutsu. "

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- The laws are the same. Kazekage converts his chakra

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. So if his chakra (not the sand itself) were to reach and attach things that are magnetic, it will.

 

[KidGamer65]

- His chakra manipulation is base on Jiton.

Yeah, when he's using Jiton techniques. Not when he's controlling sand. Nothing in the manga ever said that.

- Being called Jiton Rasengan doesnt mean Jiton has something to do with Fuinjutsu. "

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And what was the result? JITON Rasengan. Lol. Not debatable.

- The laws are the same.

The laws of NV and Comic book worlds are obviously not the same, nor can you prove they are.

Kazekage converts his chakra

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. So if his chakra (not the sand itself) were to reach and attach things that are magnetic, it will.

He converts his chakra to a magnetic force, which then occupies the Iron Sand. No proof his chakra can do what the bold is saying, so I highly suggest you stop trying to argue this point.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Yeah, when he's using Jiton techniques. Not when he's controlling sand. Nothing in the manga ever said that.

What? He needs sand to form a technique...

And what was the result? JITON Rasengan. Lol. Not debatable.

What are your talking about? Obviously its called that based on the tech.

Its called Jiton, based on the fact Naruto is using Jiton to form sand.
Its called Rasengan because Naruto is using Shape Manipulation to create it into that form.

Both need each other to create it, which gave it its name.

Shukaku stated he will add his sealing jutsu for support as the context stated. "Use MY chakra (Jiton), THEN I'll put a sealing JUTSU IN IT".

The laws of NV and Comic book worlds are obviously not the same, nor can you prove they are.

The laws of magnetic forces?

He converts his chakra to a magnetic force, which then occupies the Iron Sand. No proof his chakra can do what the bold is saying, so I highly suggest you stop trying to argue this point.

That doesn't need proof that magnetic force can only conduct IS, makes no sense.

Even then manga facts 1.: This jutsu is base on how Shukaku control/manipulate sand itself.
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[Bogard]

Danzo fight Sasuke was really impulsive, so i expect him to start spamming MS attacks really quick, but given the opponents' speed, it would prove to be useless. He is still the most dangerous here however, but Tobirama can corner him with 3 clones the time to take out the weaker targets. Given how Sasori had trouble tagging early part1 Sakura with his attacks, but more importantly couldn't react to Sai's shunshin, speedsters like Raikage or Tobirama should take care of him really quick, especially considering he has the bad habit to hide in his weak puppet in starting battles.

A sensor and smart guy like Tobirama should directly analyse the chakra core only comes from one place, so he would go down pretty fast against either of them(when Tobirama will give the knowledge to the Raikage). Meanwhile, Tobirama can leave the clones play with Sasuke for a while, the time he tags Kakuzu and basically makes it game over for him, regardless of the number of hearts(5 in this case). They will kill him after few attacks. Alongside Raikage's lightning(doton domu < lightning), he'd go down even faster, leaving Sasuke alone for a rape in team1's favor

 

[KidGamer65]

What? He needs sand to form a technique...

Does that mean he's using Jiton. No. It's already been explained how Gaara controls his sand. Via Chakra. Nothing else. I suggest we stop making up the manga.

Its called Jiton, based on the fact Naruto is using Jiton to form sand.

Baseless assumption.

Its called Rasengan because Naruto is using Shape Manipulation to create it into that form.

Only thing correct.

Both need each other to create it, which gave it its name.

Shukaku stated he will add his sealing jutsu for support as the context stated. "Use MY chakra (Jiton), THEN I'll put a sealing JUTSU IN IT".

Lol. You can pick apart the wording to try and prove your point just like that other guy I debated with. Sand isn't controlled via Jiton. There is nothing in the manga that begins to support that. So I have no reason to believe the sand in the Rasengan was created by Jiton.

The laws of magnetic forces?

Do the laws of magnetic forces mean that the Kazekage can extend a magnetic force wherever he wants? Obviously not. Lol.

That doesn't need proof that magnetic force can only conduct IS, makes no sense.

Yes, it does. He puts his chakra (magnetic force) in the sand, and controls it. What makes no sense is you saying he can control whatever he wants with no contact just because you feel like it. You have no real proof or even evidence.

Even then manga facts 1.: This jutsu is base on how Shukaku control/manipulate sand itself.

Iron Sand and Gold Dust were made to imitate Shukaku. Doesn't change the fact that Shukaku, and it's Jin, don't control sand via Jiton.

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Manga fact 3: He puts his chakra into the sand to control it. When you can tell me how he'll put his chakra into Ay's bands w/o touching them, with some proof instead of nonsense explanations, then we can talk.