Raikage Ay vs 4TK Naruto

[NarutoX28]

Not sure why Kirin is relevant since that idiot is inferring Ay hurts KN4 Naruto in the same way Hebi Sasuke does. But yea, Sasuke can definitely get Kirin off without much trouble.

Oh shit, I got sidetracked by Brother Numpsay's statement.

 

[EZQ]

Just what i wanted, to create another thread that goes beyond page 1 lmao.

I don't think Ay stomps. Ligher bombo could happen if Ay actually could grab Naruto and restrain him, but if naruto gets grabbed like that, he does this

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Ay wins med diff

 

[KidGamer65]

Not sure how it's not a stomp when Ay can literally rush him and Karate Chop him in the neck and end this whole match, maybe it'll take 2 Karate Chops, but :lol. This is low diff or a stomp.

 

[Curse Mark]

I just don't really see Sasuke firing fire balls and manipulating the lightning before 4TK bisects him

 

[Lord Tywin]

Goddamn, Ay shits

 

[Apêx1]

Not sure how it's not a stomp when Ay can literally rush him and Karate Chop him in the neck and end this whole match, maybe it'll take 2 Karate Chops, but :lol. This is low diff or a stomp.

1 chop should obliterate Naruto since the force is taken by Naruto's neck/spine as well. Seeing how Orochimaru could make v2 Naruto's neck move backwards with 1/100t of Ay's speed and strength, Ay's chop makes it go in loops.

I just don't really see Sasuke firing fire balls and manipulating the lightning before 4TK bisects him

Sasuke can easily react to his speed. Plus, Manda easily buys Sasuke enough time, or Sasuke uses Genjutsu.

 

[Curse Mark]

1 chop should obliterate Naruto since the force is taken by Naruto's neck/spine as well. Seeing how Orochimaru could make v2 Naruto's neck move backwards with 1/100t of Ay's speed and strength, Ay's chop makes it go in loops.



Sasuke can easily react to his speed. Plus, Manda easily buys Sasuke enough time, or Sasuke uses Genjutsu.

IMO restrict genjutsu and naruto wins.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Raikage can break through Susanoo. Raikiri nor Chidori have shown feats on this level. The bold doesn't even begin to make sense and I really don't want to explain why.

Not sure how your getting to that conclusion I can do the same exact circular reasoning:

Ribcage has zero durability feats to match KN4. Its best feat was blocking a Kunai strike and failed against Raikage's chop. KN4 tanked Kusanagi and Raikiri.

Anyway if we want to talk about feats. A Raiton Kunai was able to pierce KCM Naruto, which was implied he wouldnt tanked it.

Rikiri>Chakra Kunai.

Yet we seen here that rib cage and KCM was portray as durability = [

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]. And V2 is clearly superior armor then KCM.

 

[Apêx1]

Lol at the v1 Susano=KCM durability portrayal, not everything side by side implies parallelism. Otherwise I'd be claiming FRS=Yasaka Magatama=TBB. But yea, v2>KCM.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not sure how your getting to that conclusion I can do the same exact circular reasoning:

Ribcage has zero durability feats to match KN4.

-Blocked Liger Bomb.

:lol Try again buddy.

Its best feat was blocking a Kunai strike and failed against Raikage's chop.

Read above.

KN4 tanked Kusanagi and Raikiri.

Bold isn't a feat, underlined is irrelevant as any of Ay's attacks>>Raikiri. Especially Liger Bomb. Like I said above, try again.

Anyway if we want to talk about feats. A Raiton Kunai was able to pierce KCM Naruto, which was implied he wouldnt tanked it.

Not relevant. Rakiri Kunai being able to pierce KCM Naruto literally means nothing here since you assumed that KCM Naruto is as durable as Ribcage Susanoo.

Rikiri>Chakra Kunai.

False once again. Raikiri Kunai is the name for that, and that is Raikiri itself channeled onto a Kunai. The amount of chakra is the same but more focused because the tip of the Kunai is far smaller than the tip of Kakashi's hand. Please don't ignore what is stated here and bring up Chidori Katana (Which I know is what you were going to do) when the amount of lightning on Sasuke's hand>the amount of lightning on his blade in terms of size.

Yet we seen here that rib cage and KCM was portray as durability = [

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]. And V2 is clearly superior armor then KCM.

Lol cut the BS. It's too late in the evening for this. Apex already addressed this anyway.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Lol at the v1 Susano=KCM durability portrayal, not everything side by side implies parallelism. Otherwise I'd be claiming FRS=Yasaka Magatama=TBB. But yea, v2>KCM.

Good thing this parallelism applies. Obito applied the same amount of power in striking them both simultaneously.

Against CT, Itachi said to use whatever your strongest move you have got. Implying each have their own strongest move not each use the same power as each other.

 

[KidGamer65]

Wtf? Obito using the same amount of power to strike them is 100% irrelevant. First of all, if "Ribcage=KCM" based on that scan made any type of sense, then Naruto wouldn't be uninjured when he got grabbed as his supposed equal in durability was smashed.

Second of all, your point makes zero sense because Naruto isn't meant to take damage from that attack since Juubito merely grabbed him. The only reason Susanoo was smashed through is because Susanoo wasn't grabbed like Naruto was.

Stop grasping at straws.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

-Blocked Liger Bomb.

:lol Try again buddy.

Your right but I was making a driving point.

Bold isn't a feat, underlined is irrelevant as any of Ay's attacks>>Raikiri. Especially Liger Bomb. Like I said above, try again.

Rikiri and LB are too different damage output. BUt anyway Im on the fence if LB would work because V2 doesnt stop internal damage and I dont know how much V2 will block the attack.

-Not relevant. Rakiri Kunai being able to pierce KCM Naruto literally means nothing here since you assumed that KCM Naruto is as durable as Ribcage Susanoo.

Ill wait until im disproven its not

-False once again. Raikiri Kunai is the name for that, and that is Raikiri itself channeled onto a Kunai. The amount of chakra is the same but more focused because the tip of the Kunai is far smaller than the tip of Kakashi's hand. Please don't ignore what is stated here and bring up Chidori Katana (Which I know is what you were going to do) when the amount of lightning on Sasuke's hand>the amount of lightning on his blade in terms of size.

I didnt know it had a DB entry Lol. Either way it still drives my point.

-Lol cut the BS. It's too late in the evening for this. Apex already addressed this anyway.

Not for me it isnt . Addressed to him

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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Wtf? Obito using the same amount of power to strike them is 100% irrelevant. First of all, if "Ribcage=KCM" based on that scan made any type of sense, then Naruto wouldn't be uninjured when he got grabbed as his supposed equal in durability was smashed.

This is what you call grasping straws. It wasnt just a grab otherwise they wouldnt have been pushed back. Their was force behind him, as it needed to break open Ribcage. The force behind Obito's "grab" riped open and reduce the power from getting his neck lopped off. Same as against Raikage V2 chops. The force behind Obito's grab was protected reduce by Naruto's cloak. Same way Naruto's cloak helped reduced the attack from Han'd kick.

 

[KidGamer65]

Your right but I was making a driving point.

Your point is terrible.

Rikiri and LB are too different damage output. BUt anyway Im on the fence if LB would work because V2 doesnt stop internal damage and I dont know how much V2 will block the attack.

Whether or not Liger Bomb works is irrelevant to me.

Ill wait until im disproven its not

Already did.

I didnt know it had a DB entry Lol. Either way it still drives my point.

It doesn't.

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This is what you call grasping straws. It wasnt just a grab otherwise they wouldnt have been pushed back. Their was force behind him, as it needed to break open Ribcage. The force behind Obito's "grab" riped open and reduce the power from getting his neck lopped off. Same as against Raikage V2 chops. The force behind Obito's grab was protected reduce by Naruto's cloak. Same way Naruto's cloak helped reduced the attack from Han'd kick.

Lmfao, what is with all the stupidity in the air? Just when I think you can't get anymore retarded than you already are, you surprise me with some dumb shit like this.

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Unless your next argument is going to be "Shin can tank PS's physical strikes" I highly suggest you drop this nonsense argument. If PS had reached towards a giant glass panel like that the panel would be broken, yet Shin is literally uninjured. I can show you the same thing with Danzo too. Shall I record a video of myself grabbing something in the same manner Obito did too? :lol. Whole post is irrelevant since I literally just explained why Obito's grab didn't hurt Naruto but busted Ribcage.

Was their force? Obviously. Is it being applied to Naruto and Susanoo in the same way? No.

And lol @ the last sentence. He was hurt from Han's kick. If his cloak capped out at Ribcage level durability, the force used to bust a Ribcage would injure him you dumbass as that's all his cloak can take. The cloak wouldn't magically take no damage because "lol magic". Jesus. Gtfo with this BS.

 

[Curse Mark]

You guys let this get way too personal. You should just stick to debating i really dont get it. You make it not fun to discuss stuff like adults

 

[Apêx1]

You guys let this get way too personal. You should just stick to debating i really dont get it. You make it not fun to discuss stuff like adults

No it can genuinely be irritating debating that guy because of how much he twists the manga to form unsubstantiated claims which he will then treat as proven evidence. I don't recall you ever debating him so I don't expect you to understand.

 

[Curse Mark]

No it can genuinely be irritating debating that guy because of how much he twists the manga to form unsubstantiated claims which he will then treat as proven evidence. I don't recall you ever debating him so I don't expect you to understand.

I've talked with EJ a lot, and remember him from back before I took a break from the base. Either way, you can discuss things without making personal insults. If he's wrong, destroy his arguments. If he disagrees, but everyone agrees with you, you own. Case closed, no irritation.

Edit: and it's not like I have to be the one debating with him to read the discussions he's in

 

[Apêx1]

I've talked with EJ a lot, and remember him from back before I took a break from the base. Either way, you can discuss things without making personal insults. If he's wrong, destroy his arguments. If he disagrees, but everyone agrees with you, you own. Case closed, no irritation.

Edit: and it's not like I have to be the one debating with him to read the discussions he's in

NB isn't a place where all the Gandhi's reside and meditate. When you continuously disprove baseless things someone else says but feel like you are getting absolutely nowhere due to the other person's illogical line of reasoning you will begin to get somewhat annoyed. It's not about people agreeing with you, it's about the other person dropping his subpar arguments.

 

[Lord Tywin]

EJB has proven to be quite fallacious