Question

[lndra]

Minato created the Rasengan by watching the Bijuu form the Bijuudama right?

In the Movie, Bolt was learning how to create the Rasengan by watching Konohamaru do each step without verbal instruction. If you read the dailogue, it starts off with Boruto complaining and Konohamaru questioning where his enthusiasm went.

Konohamaru: Watch me carefully, then you do it like 'eh'
Boruto: I know! I know!
Boruto: But it isn't working like 'eh'
Konohamaru: Don't talk like me!
Boruto: No ... 'eh'... means this.
Boruto: "EH" means this in my hand
Konohamaru: Quit saying eh, eh, eh!
Boruto: Speak for yourself!

The rest of the conversation ends with Boruto getting mad at the fact that this training is proving difficult, and then Konohamaru tells the boy just how difficult the technique was to learn.

Anyway, I pointed out the conversation because Konohamaru is explaining to Boruto how to pop the ballon, without really showing him how to pop the ballon through language. He was just telling Boruto to follow in example, by forcing the ballon to explode. What's worse is that Konohamaru's useful tips involved the word "eh', as in "Do it like eh", which frustrated the kid when trying to ask Konohamaru for guidance.

Now take a look at Jiraiya explaining it to Naruto:

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Would this mean that Bolt also learned the Rasengan from watching, without really learning how to do the Rasengan itself with proper explanation? All criticism is welcome, thanks.

 

[ShiroT]

i doubt it, it honestly seemed like one of those "we dont have time to show it" moments. im sure he went through some from of proper training/explanation to learn it but it was trimmed/not included to shorten film

 

[lndra]

i doubt it, it honestly seemed like one of those "we dont have time to show it" moments. im sure he went through some from of proper training/explanation to learn it but it was trimmed/not included to shorten film

We actually saw the scene of Konohamaru explaining how to do the Rasengan.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

It helps to know that Naruto sucked as a verbal learner and Jiraiya was being too eloquent with his vocabulary, while Boruto seems more gifted than his father. Clearly a normal Jounin is better a teacher for a Genin than a wise Sannin.

 

[lndra]

It helps to know that Naruto sucked as a verbal learner and Jiraiya was being too eloquent with his vocabulary, while Boruto seems more gifted than his father. Clearly a normal Jounin is better a teacher for a Genin than a wise Sannin.

Yeah I never doubted the fact that he would be an overall learner when it comes to any explanation based on his talent alone.

The only problem he really had was with himself, the fact that he didn't want to try hard. Which led to a few problems along the road ... I guess the fact that Konohamaru did not properly show him the steps, led to the boy crafting his unique Rasengan unconsciously, on his own.

Which is why the boy did not realize that his Rasengan was special until Sasuke pointed it out.

 

[ShiroT]

We actually saw the scene of Konohamaru explaining how to do the Rasengan.

im not saying konohamaru didnt do anything im saying its possible alot of the fluff was cut out/not added. but i cant confirm so i wont say this is what happened

 

[Angelic.]

which way does bolts hair go ?

 

[lndra]

im not saying konohamaru didnt do anything im saying its possible alot of the fluff was cut out/not added. but i cant confirm so i wont say this is what happened

Yeah that's the problem, which is why I'm going solely on Movie information. The Novel which was based on the script pretty much has the same conversation, so I would assume if there was some sort of long explanation on the technique beforehand, the Novel at least would of put it down before, if the Movie could not.

/Shrugs

 

[Nick01]

Naruto>>>Bolt.

 

[lndra]

Naruto>>>Bolt.

Lmao it's funny because I sent you a private message on Naruto and Bolt, but this response here answered my question XD

 

[Warlocks]

in movie they explain everything short
if that was anime or manga they would've make a arc for training

Naruto>>>Bolt.

agreed

 

[lndra]

in movie they explain everything short
if that was anime or manga they would've make a arc for training

Did you read the OP? T-T

 

[Char Aznable]

The Rasengan is famous to us. We the audience know how it's done, so the movie wouldn't spend anytime on how create it.

The same way that everyone in DB can instantly perform the Kamehameha. Even though Roshi never taught it to any of his students.

 

[lndra]

The Rasengan is famous to us. We the audience know how it's done, so the movie wouldn't spend anytime on how create it.

The same way that everyone in DB can instantly perform the Kamehameha. Even though Roshi never taught it to any of his students.

Sigh. I'm not going to touch the first sentence because I explained that in the OP already, but the second part, the Kamehama isn't a strenuous technique with many different layer of steps (unless I'm mistaken).

I would hardly compare those two techniques on that alone, frightfully so considering that these are two different universes,

Apples and oranges here.

 

[Char Aznable]

Sigh. I'm not going to touch the first sentence because I explained that in the OP already, but the second part, the Kamehama isn't a strenuous technique with many different layer of steps (unless I'm mistaken).

I would hardly compare those two techniques on that alone, frightfully so considering that these are two different universes,

Apples and oranges here.

Well that's hype man. Kishi hyped the Rasengan to be a jutsu that only Minato and Jiraiya could do back in Part 1; (Search for Tsunade arc), spoken by Tsunade herself.

The complexities of the jutsu are lost on the audience, because it's famous to us. In-universe though the jutsu isn't impossible or difficult to pick up; Naruto, Kakashi, Konohamaru and Boruto all picked it up just as easily.


That's the point I was trying to illustrate. Once something is famous to the audience, it stops being special in-universe. Sharingan is supposed to be rare, and things like Mangekyou Susanno are even rarer. And yet every Uchiha with a name has these things. The same thing can be said about SSJ in DB. A rare, one in a thousand years transformation, but look at how many people have it and how easy it's attained. Or how things like blood, metal, and lightning bending were rare arts during Aang's era but even commoners have access to them during Korra's era.

Boruto picking up the Rasengan quickly falls in the same category.

 

[lndra]

Well that's hype man. Kishi hyped the Rasengan to be a jutsu that only Minato and Jiraiya could do back in Part 1; (Search for Tsunade arc), spoken by Tsunade herself.

The complexities of the jutsu are lost on the audience, because it's famous to us. In-universe though the jutsu isn't impossible or difficult to pick up; Naruto, Kakashi, Konohamaru and Boruto all picked it up just as easily.


That's the point I was trying to illustrate. Once something is famous to the audience, it stops being special in-universe. Sharingan is supposed to be rare, and things like Mangekyou Susanno are even rarer. And yet every Uchiha with a name has these things. The same thing can be said about SSJ in DB. A rare, one in a thousand years transformation, but look at how many people have it and how easy it's attained. Or how things like blood, metal, and lightning bending were rare arts during Aang's era but even commoners have access to them during Korra's era.

Boruto picking up the Rasengan quickly falls in the same category.

Was it easy though? It took Naruto a bit over a Month to actually learn the technique. Even then, there was a lot of complications. Naruto even sprung ideas from a cat hitting a yarn ball, which allowed him to continue training for the technique a different way.

Kakashi basically copied the technique without actually learning it, but I don't doubt he could have considering he was a Genius.

Boruto falls in the same talent category.

Konohamaru learned it un an unspecified amount of time, plus, we never really saw where he improved the size of his much small Rasengan like Bolt's. So we can't say it was easy too.

Even now none of the current shinobi make one handed Rasengan's bar Naruto, and Konohamaru. Both whom are adults, and both who relied on clones for years before making it. And by one hand, I literally mean one hand only.

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I feel like this thread lost meaning a bit with the comments. I'm just trying to ask if you think Bolt learned the technique by watching it explode only, as the movie showcases.

 

[Char Aznable]

Was it easy though? It took Naruto a bit over a Month to actually learn the technique. Even then, there was a lot of complicated situations where he fell into a rut, to where he even sprung ideas from a cat hitting a ball, which created ideas for him to continue training in a different way.

Kakashi basically copied the technique without actually learning it, but I don't doubt he could have considering he was a Genius.

Boruto falls in the same talent category.

Konohamaru learned it un an unspecified amount of time, plus, we never really saw where he improved the size of his much small Rasengan like Bolt's. So we can't say it was easy too.

Even now none of the current shinobi make one handed Rasengan's bar Naruto, and Konohamaru. Both whom are adults, and both who relied on clones for years before making it. And by one hand, I literally mean one hand only.

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I feel like this thread lost meaning a bit with the comments. I'm just trying to ask if you think Bolt learned the technique by watching it explode only, as the movie showcases.

Sure, since it's something we saw.

Movies move at the speed of plot, so Boruto's getting at the speed he did is fine. It wasn't a full sized Rasengan, but I attribute that to the way Konohamaru taught it.

Naruto learned the steps in speed, agitation, power and form. Jiraiya showed him what it was supposed to look like and what it wasn't supposed to look like. Boruto's pea sized rasengan is probably Konohamaru skimping on the details for power. There probably wasn't a rubber ball step.

 

[lndra]

Sure, since it's something we saw.

Movies move at the speed of plot, so Boruto's getting at the speed he did is fine. It wasn't a full sized Rasengan, but I attribute that to the way Konohamaru taught it.

Naruto learned the steps in speed, agitation, power and form. Jiraiya showed him what it was supposed to look like and what it wasn't supposed to look like. Boruto's pea sized rasengan is probably Konohamaru skimping on the details for power. There probably wasn't a rubber ball step.

There was a rubber step:

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Konohamaru at that point could already make the Full sized Rasengan, with one hand (shown in the earlier parts of the Movie). I think Bolt's Rasengan size falls prominently on his own. The minute that he formed the Rasengan, he immediately finished.

Konohamaru didn't question him either too. I guess even he was surprised that it only took him a few days to muster up one.

 

[Char Aznable]

There was a rubber step:

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Konohamaru at that point could already make the Full sized Rasengan, with one hand (shown in the earlier parts of the Movie). I think Bolt's Rasengan size falls prominently on his own. The minute that he formed the Rasengan, he immediately finished.

Konohamaru didn't question him either too. I guess even he was surprised that it only took him a few days to muster up one.

Ah, I forgot that part.

I need to rewatch the movie.

 

[Rohan]

Naruto>>>Bolt.

Himawari >>> Naruto>>>Bolt.

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