Question regarding Madara?

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Fair enough! I can agree with this. except for shishu part lol... Shishu knew Itachi would not use them for evil so he entrusted them to itachi. It is also not like Itachi used the eye
Alright fine, perhaps the Shisui part was harsh but Madara never had anyone lend him power. He had a goal and went and made it happen.

Not everyone is lucky to be born with power and regardless of how much one trains, they will always be weaker than those blessed with certain qualities at birth.

That's why Madara went and obtained power he couldn't achieve through training.
 

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Alright fine, perhaps the Shisui part was harsh but Madara never had anyone lend him power. He had a goal and went and made it happen.

Not everyone is lucky to be born with power and regardless of how much one trains, they will always be weaker than those blessed with certain qualities at birth.

That's why Madara went and obtained power he couldn't achieve through training.
so Izuna eyes wasn't lent power?
 

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so Izuna eyes wasn't lent power?
The only instance. Aside from curing blindness, EMS doesn't really do anything special. So it's not like he gained jutsu/power he previously didn't have.

Izuna was dead/dying when Madara took them anyhow. Why wouldn't he?
 
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so Izuna eyes wasn't lent power?
Your lord Itachi said Madara stole Izuna's eyes, while Obito said he borrowed them. So it's 50/100 probability, and arguing from Izuna is worthless.

OT: Prideful or not, he still fought to the absolute death to gain all those powers he stole. He's not like Itachi, who helps his best friend to kill himself to awake the Mangekyou. He's not like Naruto who needs Kyuubi's Chakra lent to him. He took every power he gained by force, so that doesn't make him a fodder.

I find it funny how everyone is mad at Madara, for humiliating their favourites, and try to use Black Zetsu's cheap shot as a counter argument. How sad.

He still stole people's powers by force, soloed everyone who stood on his way, and accomplished his dream which Itachi failed.
 
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Your lord Itachi said Madara stole Izuna's eyes, while Obito said he borrowed them. So it's 50/100 probability, and arguing from Izuna is worthless.

OT: Prideful or not, he still fought to the absolute death to gain all those powers he stole. He's not like Itachi, who helps his best friend to kill himself to awake the Mangekyou. He's not like Naruto who needs Kyuubi's Chakra lent to him. He took every power he gained by force, so that doesn't make him a fodder.

I find it funny how everyone is mad at Madara, for humiliating their favourites, and try to use Black Zetsu's cheap shot as a counter argument. How sad.

He still stole people's powers by force, soloed everyone who stood on his way, and accomplished his dream which Itachi failed.
except Black Zetsu and Hashirama.... who both acknowledged Itachi was invincible and stronger
 

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How many stolen powerups did it take for him to get 1 shot by black zetsu?

It's ironic the most prideful of the uchiha resorted to begging for other people powers just to make himself strong

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All the shinobi have borrowed or stolen power. All chakra came from the shinju, Kahuya and Hagoromo's blessing on the people as well as siring the senju and uchiha. This includes all sharingans and all bijuus.
 
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