[Question] Helping blind people see colors.

[Takure]

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, as in we know it's doing it, and

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. We know emotion affects the way we feel about color; we know that blind people dream, but not in the same sense as us with vision. Instead of visual dreams, they dream in sound and texture because that is their world. Have you ever noticed, that senses other than vision do not work in your dreams. Though,

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is an exception to this.

The "dream world" is an unconscious playground, and we know that it can be controlled, in a sense by lucid dreaming. During a lucid dream, would it be possible to "build a bridge" (using the ties between music, color, emotion, the conscious and the unconscious mind) between the conscious and the unconscious that would allow us to show and/or allow a blind person to see/feel/perceive the emotion of a color, thus allowing them to "see it" in a sense?

You might not understand, because I don't really don't know how to convey my own thoughts in a way that would be understandable. It's something that I've never been able to do.

I just feel that there is alot of unlocked potential in music.

This is the best I can so, soz not soz.





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[ShishaMastah420]

You can't build a bridge with your unconscious mind, it is not something you are in control of.

All my senses work in my dreams...

There is plenty of unlocked potential in music Ofcourse which is why it's so strictly regulated and monitored, as far as mainstream music goes.

 

[Forest]

probably only if they had vision / hearing prior to going blind / deaf.

 

[Tomato God]

No I get you. You want to use a 40hz stimulant in the front of a blind persons brain and then use vairous musics to stimulate different parts of the brain that affect color through different hormones in the brain.

Not to far-fetched.

But dont get all hippy about it

And FWI normal dreams have other senses too. I used to have the same nightmare as a child, where I was being buried alive. But I was the sand. And I could feel my own blood pouring through me and I remember it being warm. I remember feeling hot like it was a desert and I remember hearing tire skidd away and the smell of my own blood.

It was always before and after moments of sped up cognition that are usually associated with Bi-polar disorder though I dont have it, which is weird cause it happened alot.

To this day I am terrified of the desert.

But annecdote aside normal dreams have all the senses and the notion that blind people (If they arent genetically predispoded to blindness) cant see colors in their dream is rediculous. They cant convey the message that what they are seeing is color. Brain scans indicate that they do. We just can't discribe colors with out using colors.

 

[Takure]

You can't build a bridge with your unconscious mind, it is not something you are in control of.

All my senses work in my dreams...

No they don't. When you're asleep, you're senses don't turn off. You're still receiving information and that is relayed in your dreams. This information isn't lost, it's just misinterpreted by the brain. Dreams are the conscious mind trying to make sense of the subconscious (this is the best guess human have atm), that's why dreams are seemingly random.

Lucid dreaming allows your to interact with your subconscious (your unconscious mind) because your know your dreaming... so it would make sense that you could "build a bridge". You also need to understand, I'm not talking about a literal bridge, but a connection... a connection between emotion, color and music that would allow us to explain, to a blind person, the color of a color, without using the color to describe the color.

 

[Tomato God]

No they don't. When you're asleep, you're senses don't turn off. You're still receiving information and they is relayed in your dreams.

Lucid dreaming allows your to interact with your subconscious (your unconscious mind)... so it would make sense that you could "build a bridge". You also need to understand, I'm not talking about a literal bridge, but a connection...

The electrical signals that your brain uses are mimiced during dreaming.

Well we should atleast admit that no one can really explain dreams at this time in modern science.

 

[Takure]

. We just can't discribe colors with out using colors.

Which is why emotion comes in. The connections between music, color and emotion are too real to deny. I was just trying to purpose a way to describe color without using color.

If you could somehow build a connection in the brain, using all of the factor, you might be able to show a blind (since birth) person color through sound, using dreams as a medium.

That's what I was trying to get at. Considering we don't really know how the brain works, it's not that unrealistic to think that this could be done somehow.

Sure, it wouldn't happen instantly, but over time those connections would become stronger.

 

[Tomato God]

Which is why emotion comes in. The connections between music, color and emotion are to real to deny. I was just trying to purpose a way to describe color without using color.

If you could somehow build a connection in the brain, using all of the factor, you might be able to show a blind (since birth) person color through sound, using dreams as a medium.

That's what I was trying to get at. Considering we don't really know how the brain works, it's not that unrealistic to think that this could be done somehow.

I already agreed. How ever. They couldnt ever tell you what they saw. Ever. Because can you tell me what red looks like? Cause I am Red-Green Color blind.

 

[Takure]

I already agreed. How ever. They couldnt ever tell you what they saw. Ever. Because can you tell me what red looks like? Cause I am Red-Green Color blind.

I know that. But, I can tell you what anger is. You know what anger is. I feel/perceive that red is angry. You might not feel/percive that, because you're consciousness is not mine. But, I've described it in way you can partially and objectively understand.

Using music however, (as said in the research paper: the way music with similar tempos, beats etc affect all people in similar ways), surely we can use the strong connection between it, and color to describe color without using color?

I'm not saying it'll be ever be done, or that it'll be an easy thing to accomplish. I just think that's is somehow possible.