[Discussion] Question for OP fans or sabo fans

[chopstickchakra]

So being that doffy has shown 3 types of Haki means he has shown all his cards/techs that logic :|


Vergo broke sanji leg which is way stronger then anything sabo has broken since coming to dressrosa and that's without Haki u have no proof that states sabo has stronger Haki then vergo is even at tht level in terms of Haki lmfao your logic :|

If sabo grabs doffy strings which r like ****ing swords cuz they cut what ever it touches he will get his hands chopped off -_- logia or not also ur comment contradicts it's self u state tht if u bring down metors what do u think will happen -_- metors >>>>> sabo hand I'll use ur logic against u if u touch something that has cut through the leg mass of a giant what do u think will happen to ur human hand

Again ur logic :|

He stopped jozu first off jozu is a commander in a war if your not paying attention that is your fault secondly jozu has enough defense than no one should've have stopped him jn his track like tht not even mihawk slash did anything to him and doffy just stopped him and then made him hurt his own ppl so for u to clown his feat again ur logic :|
Fodderize is when u completely just beat someone and that person being sanji he is stronger by feats then majority that sabo clashed with bar Fuji so again ur logic :|

Omg ur Fuji logic u just said he clashed with Fuji cuz Fuji couldn't hit him back if tht is case Fuji would've let doffy hit him instead of raising his sword against doffy again ur logic :|

Pica only resurfaced the palace that has nothing to do with the strings around entire island and the fact that no one can get out that is all doffy doing pica has nothing to do with the move bird cage again ur logic :|

U haven't proven anything except the fact tht u r a sabo fanboy who just runs along with the hype and and has no solid evidence to prove otherwise

Hell even sabo fans like my bro Mr Outside Atleast put up good arguement a benefiting sabo mixing his hype with his feats etc but dnt overrate him

U r someone who is simply illogical and can only talk out of your ass which all the talk is based on assumption
Also who cares about your eyes if u read what I asked in the thread you wouldn't be making stupid statements like this
GG

"Vergo broke sanji leg which is way stronger then anything sabo has broken since coming to dressrosa" Dressrosa colosseum stage survived Chinjao's head which could break Sanji's leg and Sabo shattered it into multiple pieces.

"So being that doffy has shown 3 types of Haki" Please show him using Observation Haki because Op Wiki says he only has Kings and armament. btw Sabo's only showed one doesn't mean he's showed us all he has either. If Doffy hasn't shown everything with Birdcage and clones and haki razors than Sabo who just got into the manga by far hasn't showed us more than the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

"So I think it's safe to say he knows about sabo also sabo doesn't really know anything about doffy abilities or anything he has done because he has kept it secret for 10 years"

You misunderstood my point. Sabo was a child who was trained in secret from the world by Dragon for the last 12 years or so, that entire time Doffy was a world known pirate, people including Dragon knew about his DF powers(the basics if not more from researching all of his fights leading up to his shichibukai title etc.) Therefore Sabo and the revs would have intel on Doffy's abilities and some skills so they can set up a counter measure for when they inevitably have to fight him. Doffy on the other hand has no knowledge nor anyway of obtaining any knowledge on the fighting style or abilities of Sabo.

Ivan isn't nor never was out of the rev army so your rebuttal is invalid. Ivan was imprisoned but he went right back to the revs once he was freed. Sabo also joined the revs the day Dragon saved him which Ivan was there that day. Ivan has also been back since MF and Sabo is STILL intro'd as #2 now, if Ivan was stronger he'd have taken the position upon his return.

Also Doffy doesn't have Observation haki not shown yet anyway so that is invalid.

Oh I thought he had it fair enough ok
While doffy is well known u can't really say tht ppl will know his ability cuz there's no real proof stating how u said the rev prob gathered
Knowledge on doffy is probable so fine but the same can b applied for doffy and getting information via underworld not saying tht he has gotten info on sabo cuz I agree sabo was hidden but u can also speculate (because tht is what ur doing) tht doffy may know stuff about army through via CP0 which was stated to be the highest intelligence in one piece seeing as he is so chummy with them
Also how doffy is hiding everything about his business and how he put false information out tht he retired he could've done the same thing when giving out information about his abilities etc then again this is all specualtion nobody can say what sabo knows about doffy or what doffy knows about sabo until it's revealed

As for the Ivan thing I seriously doubt sabo is tht much stronger if not weaker then him going by abilities alone to put him > him

And he has not went back to army cuz he was on island that sanji trained on so that whole thing about sabo still being number 2 is invalid because we dnt know if he went back

 

[shon93]

Hell even sabo fans like my bro Mr Outside Atleast put up good arguement a benefiting sabo mixing his hype with his feats etc but dnt overrate him

loll @ going out of your way to compliment Mr.Outside unneccessarily my good sir I'm sure he'll be proud of u sport...Fugitora diesn't have more feats than DD either I guess Doflamingo is stronger than him too ..then?

My logic is beautiful if Sabo is not stronger than Doflamingo @ this point in the series then the RA is irrelevant garbage and they might as well quit

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

"Vergo broke sanji leg which is way stronger then anything sabo has broken since coming to dressrosa" Dressrosa colosseum stage survived Chinjao's head which could break Sanji's leg and Sabo shattered it into multiple pieces.

"So being that doffy has shown 3 types of Haki" Please show him using Observation Haki because Op Wiki says he only has Kings and armament. btw Sabo's only showed one doesn't mean he's showed us all he has either. If Doffy hasn't shown everything with Birdcage and clones and haki razors than Sabo who just got into the manga by far hasn't showed us more than the tip of the iceberg.

Wasn't raging with u but free country well Atleast mine is ok I made mistake about the 3 Haki big whoop for u to comment read entire convo and then see why I said tht

As for stage that shit was cracking when Bellamy was doing his spring shit so idk where ppl say that the stage is super durible and when did the forehead guy (can never spell his name) hit the floor with his forehead ? Also if remember correctly they had to keep changing floors I think dnt quote me on tht cuz every one kept destroying them


Lastly never said once that sabo has shown everything I'm saying tht neither has shown everything but feats doffy has shown more yet you ppl continue ally say tht sabo beats him he mid diff him etc (not saying u specifically) as far as doffys feats go he's main villain he has to show some feats but has he shown all we dnt know until either oda says in announcement or he does we dnt know what else he has up his sleeve and seeing the type of person doffy is u should believe or even remotely think that he always has back up plans and his age suggest that he has many abilities as all old one piece characters have bar garp lol he's just a beast

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

loll @ going out of your way to compliment Mr.Outside unneccessarily my good sir...Fugitora diesn't have more feats than DD either I guess Doflamingo is stronger than him too ..then?

Lol take whole paragraph when quoting and I just use him as an example Atleast he comes up with decent arguments on sabo behalf why r u bringing Fuji in this it has nothing to do with hype it has to do with ppl like u overrating hype and acts that arnt even that impressive and putting them >characters I haven't seen one person overrate Fuji if anything he gets disrespected
I've seen ppl say luffy can beat
Sabo mid diffs him
Zoro of all ppl mid diffs him >_> lik Tf

Sabo fanboys r rapidly replacing the idiocy of the Zoro fanboys by far

 

[shon93]

Lol take whole paragraph when quoting and I just use him as an example Atleast he comes up with decent arguments on sabo behalf why r u bringing Fuji in this it has nothing to do with hype it has to do with ppl like u overrating hype and acts that arnt even that impressive and putting them >characters I haven't seen one person overrate Fuji if anything he gets disrespected
I've seen ppl say luffy can beat
Sabo mid diffs him
Zoro of all ppl mid diffs him >_> lik Tf

Sabo fanboys r rapidly replacing the idiocy of the Zoro fanboys by far

I'm using Fuji because you act like feats is the end all be all of a characters strengthn. We can use rankings and logics to to come to the conclussion that Sabo beats Doflamingo handily

2nd in command of the revolutionary-Since the RA is an organization and not a pirate crew this position is the revolutionaries version of an admiral. He commands over a ton of strong fighters and he's the command of a massive army thats taking on the WG. Ace and Sabo has always been even. Whiles Ace was sailing Sabo was training all his life with one the strongest characters on the series. Ace has died and Sabo has 2 years in addition over Ace...and we saw what Luffy could do in 2 years...and don't forget Sabo's brother died too

Ace level or stronger since he trained with Dragon =Base Sabo
2 Years Later-He is even stronger because he trained even more= Dressrosa Sabo
Then he eats the Mera Mera to upgrade his strength which was already significantly stronger than Ace because of the 2 years

How can you compare Doflamingo to that now ...lets be real and don't beat around the bush..and btw I was only messing with u with the Mr.Outside comment..loll =D

 

[Hexuze]

First off, I don't think that Sabor nor Doflamingo are stronger than Marco... That's just f*cking stupid to me. They can't be stronger than one of WB's first mate. Anyways, moving on...

It's all pure speculation. OFC Doflamingo has more feats. than Sabo cause he was introduced much earlier and we've seen enough of what he can do at MF & PH/DR. Doflamingo's range in attacks is simply amazing, we've all seen his attack stretch from the Sunny to some random building at Dressrosa. It's insane. I just feel Sabo is stronger, simply because Sabo has showed much better Haki use than Doflamingo in the short span that we was introduced. Not only that, he obtained the MMnM which adds to his arsenal. Also Sabo has been training with Dragon as it seems. He's been a lot more training from Dragon than Luffy did from Rayleigh.


Sabo can defeat Doflamingo IMO (high-diff.)

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

First off, I don't think that Sabor nor Doflamingo are stronger than Marco... That's just f*cking stupid to me. They can't be stronger than one of WB's first mate. Anyways, moving on...

It's all pure speculation. OFC Doflamingo has more feats. than Sabo cause he was introduced much earlier and we've seen enough of what he can do at MF & PH/DR. Doflamingo's range in attacks is simply amazing, we've all seen his attack stretch from the Sunny to some random building at Dressrosa. It's insane. I just feel Sabo is stronger, simply because Sabo has showed much better Haki use than Doflamingo in the short span that we was introduced. Not only that, he obtained the MMnM which adds to his arsenal. Also Sabo has been training with Dragon as it seems. He's been a lot more training from Dragon than Luffy did from Rayleigh.

Kinda off-topic but I've noticed you placed Luffy over Doflamingo AND Sabo in another recent thread? Mind explaining that lol? That would mean that Luffy can fodderize Sanji & most likely Zoro as well. Doflamingo already fodderized Smoker who is seen as someone that is near Luffy's power level as well. There's quite a big gap between Doflamingo/Sabo and Luffy.

Thank u for detailed opinion without overrating his hype and barely using it lol

As for luffy >> doffy hell no until he beats him u will have to link me to this thread cuz I would never do tht

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I'm using Fuji because you act like feats is the end all be all of a characters strengthn. We can use rankings and logics to to come to the conclussion that Sabo beats Doflamingo handily

2nd in command of the revolutionary-Since the RA is an organization and not a pirate crew this position is the revolutionaries version of an admiral. He commands over a ton of strong fighters and he's the command of a massive army thats taking on the WG. Ace and Sabo has always been even. Whiles Ace was sailing Sabo was training all his life with one the strongest characters on the series. Ace has died and Sabo has 2 years in addition over Ace...and we saw what Luffy could do in 2 years...and don't forget Sabo's brother died too

Ace level or stronger since he trained with Dragon =Base Sabo
2 Years Later-He is even stronger because he trained even more= Dressrosa Sabo
Then he eats the Mera Mera to upgrade his strength which was already significantly stronger than Ace because of the 2 years

How can you compare Doflamingo to that now ...lets be real and don't beat around the bush..and btw I was only messing with u with the Mr.Outside comment..loll =D

Never said tht feats end anything but feats doffy shows better hype I still choose doffy because his age experience and what he has done on the side

As for cammanding we dnt know who he commands if it's anything like the marines it will b couple of strong faces and then fodder that's it

Doffy had his own country nuff said in terms of cammanding and had his own crew and crews under him like bellemys

 

[shon93]

First off, I don't think that Sabor nor Doflamingo are stronger than Marco... That's just f*cking stupid to me. They can't be stronger than one of WB's first mate. Anyways, moving on...

It's all pure speculation. OFC Doflamingo has more feats. than Sabo cause he was introduced much earlier and we've seen enough of what he can do at MF & PH/DR. Doflamingo's range in attacks is simply amazing, we've all seen his attack stretch from the Sunny to some random building at Dressrosa. It's insane. I just feel Sabo is stronger, simply because Sabo has showed much better Haki use than Doflamingo in the short span that we was introduced. Not only that, he obtained the MMnM which adds to his arsenal. Also Sabo has been training with Dragon as it seems. He's been a lot more training from Dragon than Luffy did from Rayleigh.

Kinda off-topic but I've noticed you placed Luffy over Doflamingo AND Sabo in another recent thread? Mind explaining that lol? That would mean that Luffy can fodderize Sanji & most likely Zoro as well. Doflamingo already fodderized Smoker who is seen as someone that is near Luffy's power level as well. There's quite a big gap between Doflamingo/Sabo and Luffy.

Sabo can defeat Doflamingo IMO (high-diff.)

Great points bro xD and regarding Marco I kind of agree with u even though I don't want to because of that annoying yonko level regenration...loll

 

[Sherlock.]

Sabo > Doffy comes from his rank in the RA, his impressive Haki and him being a Logia.

If RA's second in command can't even beat Doffy at this point in the story then all of them including Dragon should just commit suicide. They'd be a bunch of useless thrash wasting OP world's oxygen. The world would do better off without all of them including Dragon.

Even 10 year old kids are more realistic than RAs if they think they have a chance to bring down WG even in a 1000 years if their second in command cannot defeat even Doffy.

 

[Hexuze]

Thank u for detailed opinion without overrating his hype and barely using it lol

As for luffy >> doffy hell no until he beats him u will have to link me to this thread cuz I would never do tht

I was referring to this thread:

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You said:

Luffy
Ace (pre skip)
Sabo (post mera mera)
Doffy
Marco
Kuma
Hancock


If it's kuma with brain
Then
Marco>=doffy=kuma>sabo>=Hancock=luffy>ace (I think luffy is stronger then ace at this point even tho ace has more destructive capabilities luffy can use Haki to block his attacks and he is way faster then anything ace has shown

If it's kuma without brain then
Marco>=doffy>sabo>=Hancock=luffy>ace>kuma

But I ignored the bold LOL cause I thought the first list was yours but it was actually the OP's. Maybe you copied it by mistake or forgot to quote him properly? Yeah your list is solid on that thread. Sorry about that, I'll edit the post

 

[shon93]

Sabo > Doffy comes from his rank in the RA. His impressive Haki and him being a logia.

If RA's second in command can't even beat Doffy at this point in the story then all of them including Dragon should just commit suicide. They'd be a bunch of useless thrash wasting OP world's oxygen. The world would do better off without all of them including Dragon.

Even 10 year old kids are more realistic than RAs if they think they have a chance to bring down WG even in a 1000 years if their second in command cannot defeat even Doffy.

+1 Thats my thinking towards the situations...xD Doflamingo is a small fish in the ocean ..if we are looking at the RA's goal...and for there goal to make sense to me Sabo without the DF has to be able to beat doffy atleast high diff or mid diff..not sure

 

[chopstickchakra]

Thank u for detailed opinion without overrating his hype and barely using it lol

As for luffy >> doffy hell no until he beats him u will have to link me to this thread cuz I would never do tht

He pretty much said everything I did that you argued with only he said some good things about Doffy in there as well.

 

[shon93]

He pretty much said everything I did that you argued with only he said some good things about Doffy in there as well.

loll I said the exact same thing...looks like you only need to compliment DD to be regarded as fair

 

[ultraChalk]

Well... Doflamingo made light work of Luffy and is evidently strong enough to make Law run away... and if we take ranks into consideration, one of his strongest subordinates has the potential to destroy the whole island, so he should be able to do that as well. He actually can with bird cage if he draws it towards the center and just slices everything into tiny little pieces.

Sabo can bust a colleseum arena easily, so he could probably do much, much more damage if he wanted to, so I'm unsure how to guage his power. He's also strong enough to beat Burgess and he's one of he original Blackbeard pirates, probably his first mate, so that's also impressive... and he's the 2nd strongest in the rev's if we go by rank (iirc?).

So as far as power goes Doflamingo is stronger than him... but since power alone isn't always enough to triumph the opponent and they each have the potential to one shot another, I think a battle could go either way since Sabo has a much more diverse set of skills.

But at this point I don't know who would win. Neither of them have gone all out, so it's extremely hard to say when both of them have beaten all their opponents easily. They haven't showed their true power yet.

 

[Voodoo People]

he is the second strogest revolutionary, that should be enough

 

[Red Swag]

doflamingo is the best devil fruit user ive seen yet.

fuji was blabbering about destroying the shichiubukai until he felt doffy... oh... lets be friends? =)

anyway sabo is very strong indeed. but im still goin with doflamingo winning high diff. Im still not satisfied with sabo.

 

[Uchiha Samater]

I see your point.


I do respectfully disagree though
The fanbase assumption of Sabo's power level is based on how Oda is portraying his return, which can be compared to the great Shanks.



E.g. Shanks's most popular feats so far are:

1. Stopping Akainu's fist with his sword [presumably with Haki]

2. Respectful clash with WB

3. Haki damaging ship [first physical damage of Kings Haki seen]


All in all, it is not quite special, [and i say that as a very big Shanks fan, and I say not special because I would expect multiple characters to be able to use Armament to surprise Akainu with armament haki, and dominate many with kings haki, the whitebeard clash stands out in exception]

His hype comes from the brilliant way in Oda has written the hype around him, i.e, daily duels with Mihawk, being a Yonko, Marineford etc


Sabo falls into this to an extent, [however cannot be compared fairly as he has only been recently introduced]


for example:

1. Easily defeats a Yonko's vice captain in a clash of Armaments Haki

2. Is named as No.2 in the revolutionary army, [which makes us assume he is very powerful considering how Dragon is the most wanted man, and previously had powerful fighters in lower ranks such as Kuma and Ivankov]

3. Holds back multiple vice admirals, and is now clashing with an Admiral [all with a smile on his face, and has not shown a moment of fre]

4. Demonstrated very powerful offense, BEFORE acquiring a logia DF




All these are cleverly written to not give us the full story on Sabo, however when addressing the story as a whole it is a common writing practice of Oda in developing some of his characters





As for Law, i honestly believe Luffy is above Law

I think Oda has left Law handcuffed for Doffy's appearance to give Luffy the disadvantage, because Luffy post time skip is going for Yonkos, [ not that he is that level Yet], however i do place him in the following:


Law < Doffy < Luffy

 

[Red Swag]

I see your point.


I do respectfully disagree though
The fanbase assumption of Sabo's power level is based on how Oda is portraying his return, which can be compared to the great Shanks.



E.g. Shanks's most popular feats so far are:

1. Stopping Akainu's fist with his sword [presumably with Haki]

2. Respectful clash with WB

3. Haki damaging ship [first physical damage of Kings Haki seen]


All in all, it is not quite special, [and i say that as a very big Shanks fan, and I say not special because I would expect multiple characters to be able to use Armament to surprise Akainu with armament haki, and dominate many with kings haki, the whitebeard clash stands out in exception]

His hype comes from the brilliant way in Oda has written the hype around him, i.e, daily duels with Mihawk, being a Yonko, Marineford etc


Sabo falls into this to an extent, [however cannot be compared fairly as he has only been recently introduced]


for example:

1. Easily defeats a Yonko's vice captain in a clash of Armaments Haki

2. Is named as No.2 in the revolutionary army, [which makes us assume he is very powerful considering how Dragon is the most wanted man, and previously had powerful fighters in lower ranks such as Kuma and Ivankov]

3. Holds back multiple vice admirals, and is now clashing with an Admiral [all with a smile on his face, and has not shown a moment of fre]

4. Demonstrated very powerful offense, BEFORE acquiring a logia DF




All these are cleverly written to not give us the full story on Sabo, however when addressing the story as a whole it is a common writing practice of Oda in developing some of his characters





As for Law, i honestly believe Luffy is above Law

I think Oda has left Law handcuffed for Doffy's appearance to give Luffy the disadvantage, because Luffy post time skip is going for Yonkos, [ not that he is that level Yet], however i do place him in the following:


Law < Doffy < Luffy

nothing special about luffy as well. except that hes the main char of the series. and maybe kings haki.