[Question] Destruction of Konoha

[Masakari]

Hi.


Only just came to realize I have no clue who the Kazekage actually was back in Episode 60-80 of Naruto Season 1, and was wondering if anyone else had an answer? Or, if it's protected by the simple plot-no-jutsu..


Why am I asking ? Because, Orochimaru clearly killed the Kazekage and later on disguised as him, and then tricked the entire Sand Village to join the attack against Konoha. However, the Kazekage before Gaara was the 4th Kazekage, his dad. And he had been dead for a long time. Which leads me to believe that there's these options:

1. Plot no Jutsu
2. Sand Village had no Kazekage since the 4th Kazekage died until the Shippuuden Started ???
3. Gaara should be the 7th Kazekage with the 5th being killed by Orochimaru and taken over by disguise, and a 6th being chosen after the failure of the Konoha invasion


Were the Sand Village really "Kazekage-Less" throughout the entire Season 1 and even before that?

 

[mikeeozua]

im assuming they must have had a leader, so i dunno maybe he got killed in a a battle?

 

[Masakari]

Well Elders is kind of beside the point. Every village has those, but having no Kage in your Village (As stated by several characters in the Anime & Manga) is kind of like opening your gates for an attack. The Village has no leader, and no one to dearly protect it. That's why I'm asking, it makes no sense for the Sand to go by for so many years without being attacked and taken over.

And it also makes no sense that Orochimaru did kill one of the Kazekages when clearly the 4th had already been dead for a long time. The Anime shows Oro killing "some" Kazekage, but its definitely not the 4th. And the 5th = Gaara, so who the hell did Oro kill <.<

 

[l Sasuke Uchiha l]

Gaara is the 5th Kazekage, and his father was the 4th Kazekage. But from how Gaara speaks it sounds like his father had been gone awhile. Which makes no sense, the way I think and the way I see as the only possible way is that the Elders of the village never officially selected the kage.

Like Danzou, he was a "to-be-kage" but he was killed before he could get the title fully. I think that happened, since the Kazekage that Oro killed seemed weak, which might be because he simply was a regular ninja on his way to assume the full role of Kazekage but was killed by Oro before he could do that.

 

[Masakari]

Gaara is the 5th Kazekage, and his father was the 4th Kazekage. But from how Gaara speaks it sounds like his father had been gone awhile. Which makes no sense, the way I think and the way I see as the only possible way is that the Elders of the village never officially selected the kage.

Like Danzou, he was a "to-be-kage" but he was killed before he could get the title fully. I think that happened, since the Kazekage that Oro killed seemed weak, which might be because he simply was a regular ninja on his way to assume the full role of Kazekage but was killed by Oro before he could do that.

But that still doesn't make any sense. The guy we watched Oro killed was even dressed as the Kazekage. And regardless if your theory is right about a temporary-kage, that person would've been chosen years before the invasion seeing as the 4th was killed so many years before that, and he can't be a temporary-kage for that many years.

 

[-Haku Yuki-]

Well Elders is kind of beside the point. Every village has those, but having no Kage in your Village (As stated by several characters in the Anime & Manga) is kind of like opening your gates for an attack. The Village has no leader, and no one to dearly protect it. That's why I'm asking, it makes no sense for the Sand to go by for so many years without being attacked and taken over.

And it also makes no sense that Orochimaru did kill one of the Kazekages when clearly the 4th had already been dead for a long time. The Anime shows Oro killing "some" Kazekage, but its definitely not the 4th. And the 5th = Gaara, so who the hell did Oro kill <.<

konoha could have protected teh village and suna could have lied about him being dead,same happened with the third kazekage ( but no one said he was dead)

 

[dirklyn]

Cool pic @ Sasukes Uchiha

 

[Superior]

Well, that is interesting.
Only way I can explain it: Kishimoto messed up

 

[l Sasuke Uchiha l]

But that still doesn't make any sense. The guy we watched Oro killed was even dressed as the Kazekage. And regardless if your theory is right about a temporary-kage, that person would've been chosen years before the invasion seeing as the 4th was killed so many years before that, and he can't be a temporary-kage for that many years.

Ehm.. Danzou got the Hokage hat before becoming a full Hokage... -__-

Also we don't know when the 4th Kazekage was killed, for all we know Oro could have posed as the Kage for years.
I still think that the Kazekage Oro and Kimmimaro killed was a "To-Be-Kazekage" and that he might never have recived the title at all. He was just a figure for the Council of Elders to remain the peace in the village. The Kazekage that Oro killed might have been the leader of the Elders or someone that stood high up in the council. Who was given the title as Kazekage temporary.

That or the Elders covered up the death of the 4th Kazekage and gave the title to someone else to later when they selected a new kage the current "To-Be-Kage" would "die" as the 4th Kazekage. Which would explain why he were using a Mask all the time.

 

[9th Raikage]

I think Orochimaru was pretending to be the Kazekage until the attack on the leaf village. After that I guess they were Kage less until Gaara was appointed. Konoha was Kageless for a brief while until Tsunade arrived. The elders assumed responsibility until she got there. I'm sure the samecan be assumed for the sand.

 

[l Sasuke Uchiha l]

I think Orochimaru was pretending to be the Kazekage until the attack on the leaf village. After that I guess they were Kage less until Gaara was appointed. Konoha was Kageless for a brief while until Tsunade arrived. The elders assumed responsibility until she got there. I'm sure the samecan be assumed for the sand.

That or the elders covered up the 4th's death.... :/

 

[thegame]

Where exactly did you get that information? I am certain that the one Oro killed was the 4th kazekage, and Kabuto even said it, when he tried to cheer on Oro. I can understand if you wonder who was kazekage till Gaara became the 5th, and if they just didn't have any... The 4th kazekage had been kazekage for long btw, since we know a lot about the 3rd kazekage and when he he disappeared.

 

[l Sasuke Uchiha l]

Where exactly did you get that information? I am certain that the one Oro killed was the 4th kazekage, and Kabuto even said it, when he tried to cheer on Oro. I can understand if you wonder who was kazekage till Gaara became the 5th, and if they just didn't have any... The 4th kazekage had been kazekage for long btw, since we know a lot about the 3rd kazekage and when he he disappeared.

That makes the one fact, but the way Gaara talks about his father is makes it sound like he had been gone a while... -__-
Also from what the Anime shows Kimmimaro was the one that killed the Kazekage while Oro watched and maybe helped a little... But I need to read the Manga of that again anyways... c:

 

[thegame]

That makes the one fact, but the way Gaara talks about his father is makes it sound like he had been gone a while... -__-
Also from what the Anime shows Kimmimaro was the one that killed the Kazekage while Oro watched and maybe helped a little... But I need to read the Manga of that again anyways... c:

Well that may be explained in another way, cause Gaaras father was never a father to him. He couldn't get himself to kill Gaara, so he tried to make others do it. He couldn't even look his son in the eyes and never spoke to him. He never was a father to Gaara.

 

[l Sasuke Uchiha l]

Well that may be explained in another way, cause Gaaras father was never a father to him. He couldn't get himself to kill Gaara, so he tried to make others do it. He couldn't even look his son in the eyes and never spoke to him. He never was a father to Gaara.

It was to my info that Gaara's father tried to make Gaara as strong as possible, at least that is why he is saying.
Also Gaara still talked about him as his father.

 

[TurrinB]

He was Gaara's Father, Yondaime Kazekage.

 

[Masakari]

Ehm.. Danzou got the Hokage hat before becoming a full Hokage... -__-

Also we don't know when the 4th Kazekage was killed, for all we know Oro could have posed as the Kage for years.
I still think that the Kazekage Oro and Kimmimaro killed was a "To-Be-Kazekage" and that he might never have recived the title at all. He was just a figure for the Council of Elders to remain the peace in the village. The Kazekage that Oro killed might have been the leader of the Elders or someone that stood high up in the council. Who was given the title as Kazekage temporary.

That or the Elders covered up the death of the 4th Kazekage and gave the title to someone else to later when they selected a new kage the current "To-Be-Kage" would "die" as the 4th Kazekage. Which would explain why he were using a Mask all the time.

Yes, Danzo did get the hat and whatnot, but we were actually followed through that temporary-hokage-story. We know nothing about the Kazekage.

And yes, the Fourth Kazekage had been long since dead. (The flashbacks of Gaaras past can be taken as evidence of that). Additionally, the Fourth Kazekage was used by Sasori, whom was part of Akatsuki. And, as you may already know, Akatsuki was formed before the Series even started. (As in before Itachi even killed of the Uchiha clan)

I think Orochimaru was pretending to be the Kazekage until the attack on the leaf village. After that I guess they were Kage less until Gaara was appointed. Konoha was Kageless for a brief while until Tsunade arrived. The elders assumed responsibility until she got there. I'm sure the samecan be assumed for the sand.

Orochimaru couldn't have 'posed' as the Kazekage for that long, because we saw him kill the "Kazekage" as a recent-event-flashback.

Where exactly did you get that information? I am certain that the one Oro killed was the 4th kazekage, and Kabuto even said it, when he tried to cheer on Oro. I can understand if you wonder who was kazekage till Gaara became the 5th, and if they just didn't have any... The 4th kazekage had been kazekage for long btw, since we know a lot about the 3rd kazekage and when he he disappeared.

Provide evidence where Kabuto says that. Let me put it this way; If Orochimaru killed the Fourth Kazekage, then how do you explain Sasori using the Fourth as a Pet? Sasori and Oro don't get along, hence why Sasori sent Kabuto over to Oro in the first place, as a spy. Highly unlikely they'd do a deal where Sasori gets the fourth's body.


So it's still unclear, we don't know who the Kazekage was from the start up until Shippuuden, and we don't know who the Kazekage Orochimaru killed. We don't even know if Gaara really is the 5th.

 

[thegame]

Provide evidence where Kabuto says that. Let me put it this way; If Orochimaru killed the Fourth Kazekage, then how do you explain Sasori using the Fourth as a Pet? Sasori and Oro don't get along, hence why Sasori sent Kabuto over to Oro in the first place, as a spy. Highly unlikely they'd do a deal where Sasori gets the fourth's body.


So it's still unclear, we don't know who the Kazekage was from the start up until Shippuuden, and we don't know who the Kazekage Orochimaru killed. We don't even know if Gaara really is the 5th.

Tbh, I can't find it at the moment, however, Sasoris "pet" is the 3rd kazekage, and I am not gonna prove that everyone knows. 3rd = Iron sand , 4th = golden sand

Kishi just never mentioned it in part 1, so there is nothing unclear, since he did mention it in part 2:

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Clearly the one in the image is Gaaras father. And when he was revived in edo tensei, he said that he was the 4th kazekage. End of discussion U_U