Question about TSB

[Xlad]

Someone got negged.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Someone got negged.

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No simply becuz you originally had no good counterargument...you arguments is like saying that the sun is, a spoon that eats coward doritos in middle of insane sunrise that is upsite when it sees the world

 

[Xlad]

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No simply becuz you originally had no good counterargument...you arguments is like saying that the sun is, a spoon that eats coward doritos in middle of insane sunrise that is upsite when it sees the world

be quite! why you copy and mok my reply when he has no counterargument for danzo wank? this has nothing to do wit u.

 

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Maybe

 

[Ansatsuken]

Lol, are you stupid? I'm trying not to insult you, but you are making it way too easy.

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PROOF That Kaguya's chakra was shared among her sons. They had the power of the Gudo Dama even before the Juubi, and Hagoromo has already shown that he can use the Gudo Dama and float without the Juubi. So all their power came from Kaguya, as the manga clearly states.



Then don't bring your dumbass theory to this discussion and get butthurt when I write it off as baseless speculation.


Already posted.



Already posted.



Lol, this is why I don't argue with illiterate retards.

1. Six Paths Chakra can grant Six Paths Senjutsu, as seen when Naruto got Hagoromo's chakra.

2. If you have Gudo Dama, you have the Senjutsu.

3. Hagoromo and Hamura had the Gudo Dama. Shown in the DB page I posted, and shown in the Manga when they fought Kaguya. Shown by the fact that Hagoromo can levitate without the Juubi.

4. Thus they got their power from Kaguya. Not the Juubi.

Let's also throw in the fact that Hamura never made any contact with the Juubi, yet he can still use the Gudo Dama. Let's also throw in the fact that Kaguya can fly and use the Gudo Dama. Use your tiny pea sized brain, if you can, and you'll come to the conclusion that their power came from Kaguya, not the Juubi. The only retort I've seen from you is your half assed, shitty, retarded, jacked up theory. You disguising a baseless assumption as a theory doesn't make it true or plausible.



The rest is irrelevant. Take your half assed theory and go shove it up your ass. When you are done denying manga fact reply. Lol, dumbass kid.

Already expected from you and anticipated also. You cant gave me any manga fact but jusy your assumption at best

Your arguments is weaker than me.

Sure Kaguya can fly, it because she is part of Juubi.

How do you know chakra fruit will granted you Six Path Senjutsu. Its just giving you Kekkei More(Bloodline encompassing). Its mean all elements plus Yin-Yang power.

The example of Kekkei Mora is Rinn Sharingan, Hagoromo's Rinnegan and all Kaguya's abilities. But it still not including Natural energy or Senjutsu. Its because to acquired Senjutsu you should learn how to absorb and control Natural energy.

But even though you can control Natural energy and obtaining Senjutsu power, you still unable to turned it into Six Path Senjutsu. Madara is the proof, he have Rinnegan(Kekkei Genkai with Six Path chakra) and Hashirama Senjutsu power but he still unable to obtained Six Path Senjutsu that granted you TSB, flight ability etc. Its when he becoming JJ, he got that abilities.

We can say the same to Kaguya also, she only obtained Six Path chakra(Kekkei Mora) from Chakra fruit but not Six Path Senjutsu. Its when she merged with Shinju she gained Six Path Senjutsu. Thats mean Shinju power is mixed with Kaguya's Kekkei Mora and gave her Senjutsu with TSB and flight ability etc. Its possible as Kishi not gave us clear manga fact to lock/put everything in its place. Blame Kishi not me.

For Hamura. Are you really sure he never make any contect with Juubi? Manga scan please.

I can give Obito case to Hamura also. But its hard for you to accept it because you're to weakLol

Sure Hagoromo can levitated because he have Rinnegan, by using Deva Path ability he can levitated.

Sure if you have TSB, thats mean you have Senjutsu. Its well known fact. But their black stuff still cant be said made from TSB, if their staff is made from TSB, where is the other balls. Whats your explanation on missing TSB? They has Senjutsu thats mean they should had TSB around them like Juubito and Madara shown.

Give me other of you simple facts and I try to connect them and explain them.

Its show you are weak at debating if you resulting to insult and name calling while I never insult you. Its tell you who is more matured between us when I act as mature person while you act like Kid. Typical person that I always expected to exist in here.

This id what you got if you dare to quote me

That neg rep also shows how weak you are actually. Just stick with your VS section.

I want complete manga fact but you failed to give me. SMHU_U

 

[KidGamer65]

Already expected from you and anticipated also. You cant gave me any manga fact but jusy your assumption at best

Your arguments is weaker than me.

Sure Kaguya can fly, it because she is part of Juubi.

Meaning it's because of her chakra (as the chakra of the Juubi grants Six Paths Senjutsu), which she passed on to Hagoromo and Hamura.

Then there's the fact that she had her abilities before merging with the Shinju. She doesn't have them because she is part of the Juubi. She has them because she got them from the chakra fruit.

How do you know chakra fruit will granted you Six Path Senjutsu. Its just giving you Kekkei More(Bloodline encompassing). Its mean all elements plus Yin-Yang power.

-DB says Gudo Dama only appear when you have Six Paths Senjutsu.
-Manga says and shows only those with Six Paths Senjutsu can fly. (Naruto, Hagoromo, and Kaguya have all shown this ability)
-Hagoromo had the Six Paths Senjutsu abilities even before he got the Juubi.
-Manga says that Kaguya's power was shared between her sons.
-Yet we have a fan who is too stupid to see the obvious correlation.

The origin of ALL of Kaguya's Rikudo abilities is the tree.

The example of Kekkei Mora is Rinn Sharingan, Hagoromo's Rinnegan and all Kaguya's abilities. But it still not including Natural energy or Senjutsu. Its because to acquired Senjutsu you should learn how to absorb and control Natural energy.

Already know this, and it's not relevant. Kekkei Mora not being Senjutsu doesn't mean shit when she in fact has Senjutsu, but it's separate. Lol.

-You claim she doesn't have Senjutsu.
-Yet she is the Juubi.
-You claim she doesn't have Senjutsu.
-Yet she has the Gudo Dama, which contain Nature Energy.

Lol. Amazing.

But even though you can control Natural energy and obtaining Senjutsu power, you still unable to turned it into Six Path Senjutsu. Madara is the proof, he have Rinnegan(Kekkei Genkai with Six Path chakra) and Hashirama Senjutsu power but he still unable to obtained Six Path Senjutsu that granted you TSB, flight ability etc. Its when he becoming JJ, he got that abilities.

Him not being able to unlock said abilities with the chakra he got only means that the chakra he got was insufficient or it means that he just couldn't do it. Obito took chakra from Madara and formed the Gudo Dama, yet Kakashi never showed the ability to form it despite having all of Obito's chakra along with his Six Paths Chakra. This proves nothing.

This whole post doesn't matter since it'd only be a counter if I said Six Paths Chakra gives you Six Paths Senjutsu 100% of the time, but it obviously doesn't. Madara and Sasuke got Rinnegan. Naruto got RSM. Lol. Read before you reply so you don't waste my time with irrelevant shit.

We can say the same to Kaguya also, she only obtained Six Path chakra(Kekkei Mora) from Chakra fruit but not Six Path Senjutsu. Its when she merged with Shinju she gained Six Path Senjutsu. Thats mean Shinju power is mixed with Kaguya's Kekkei Mora and gave her Senjutsu with TSB and flight ability etc. Its possible as Kishi not gave us clear manga fact to lock/put everything in its place. Blame Kishi not me.

-Kishimoto has shown Kaguya's kids with the Gudo Dama on multiple occasions.
-Kishimoto has stated that Hagoromo and Hamura got their mother's chakra.

So unless you are claiming that Hagoromo and Hamura got their power from the goddamn air, then it's obvious she had the Gudo Dama, thus some form of Senjutsu, from the start. Merging with the Shinju did one thing and one thing only as far as the Manga has shown us: Make her into the Juubi. End of story.

And even if she didn't have Senjutsu, it doesn't matter since Hagoromo and Hamura have already shown the ability to use the Gudo Dama, meaning my original claim: "You can get Six Paths Senjutsu via two methods" is 100% true, and you are only arguing at this point for the sake of making yourself look dumb.

For Hamura. Are you really sure he never make any contect with Juubi? Manga scan please.

1. If there is no manga panel of him making contact with the Juubi, then he didn't. You don't post a scan to prove that an occurrence didn't happen. Learn how to debate.

2. By "Contact" I obviously mean that Hamura received no power from the Juubi nor did he become it's Jin. That's a fact and please don't try to deny it like you've done the other manga facts that have been thrown in your face.

I can give Obito case to Hamura also. But its hard for you to accept it because you're to weakLol

I don't accept it because:

1. It's retarded.

2. It's idiotic.

3. You've yet to give me proof that it actually happened.

So when you can prove that Hamura got his Six Paths power from Hagoromo, we can talk. Until then, take your idiotic shit out of here. You don't make up shit and then try to say it's a fact. Seriously....no one can be this dumb. I've explained to you why your theory is garbage yet you keep bringing it up post after post after post.

Sure Hagoromo can levitated because he have Rinnegan, by using Deva Path ability he can levitated.

Deva Path has never shown to let the user levitate for an extended period of time, nor has it shown to let the user float and fly in the air in the manner Hagoromo, Naruto, Juubito, and Kaguya have done. See? This is all you do. You make up things and expect them to hold "Just Because". Lol.

Not to mention it doesn't explain him having the staff and the balls even after his loss of the Juubi.

Sure if you have TSB, thats mean you have Senjutsu. Its well known fact. But their black stuff still cant be said made from TSB, if their staff is made from TSB, where is the other balls. Whats your explanation on missing TSB? They has Senjutsu thats mean they should had TSB around them like Juubito and Madara shown.

Them not having the balls only means that they don't have the balls. Obito already showed that a staff can be formed without the need for the balls. Not to mention Hagoromo has the balls even after losing the Juubi, yet Obito and Madara lost all that power when they lost the Juubi, meaning Hagoromo had that without the Juubi.

Its show you are weak at debating if you resulting to insult and name calling while I never insult you. Its tell you who is more matured between us when I act as mature person while you act like Kid. Typical person that I always expected to exist in here.

My arguments are superior. Case in point. So it's odd that you of all people are calling me "weak at debating". You are acting like an idiot, so expect to be called an idiot. It's always the ones acting like idiots who claim the other is just insulting when their arguments go south, even though anyone reading this knows that you are just being an idiot, denying manga fact left and right in favor of theories with no proof. Lol.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Meaning it's because of her chakra (as the chakra of the Juubi grants Six Paths Senjutsu), which she passed on to Hagoromo and Hamura.

Then there's the fact that she had her abilities before merging with the Shinju. She doesn't have them because she is part of the Juubi. She has them because she got them from the chakra fruit.

As I told you before, Juubi chakra granted you TSB. What is the difference between my understanding and your understanding. I think no. You just wasting your time explaining the same shit that I already nowLol

-DB says Gudo Dama only appear when you have Six Paths Senjutsu.
-Manga says and shows only those with Six Paths Senjutsu can fly. (Naruto, Hagoromo, and Kaguya have all shown this ability)
-Hagoromo had the Six Paths Senjutsu abilities even before he got the Juubi.
-Manga says that Kaguya's power was shared between her sons.
-Yet we have a fan who is too stupid to see the obvious correlation.

The origin of ALL of Kaguya's Rikudo abilities is the tree.

First point is true
Second point is true
Third point. Prove it
Fourth point is true

Kaguya TSB is shown when she already merged with Shinju. Thats mean many thing happen there. You should show me the scan that Kaguya creating her TSB before she merged with Shinju to create Juubi.

Or in other word she used TSB when she only had Chakra fruit power(Kekkei Mora)

its can be that her TSB only can be created after she got Shinju power after the merger. Its like combining her Kekkei Mora(Six Path chakra) with Shinju natural chakra gathering ability and forming Six Path Senjutsu chakra.

After that she can created TSB. The mechanisme is same as Juubi jin. Its possible

Already know this, and it's not relevant. Kekkei Mora not being Senjutsu doesn't mean shit when she in fact has Senjutsu, but it's separate. Lol.

-You claim she doesn't have Senjutsu.
-Yet she is the Juubi.
-You claim she doesn't have Senjutsu.
-Yet she has the Gudo Dama, which contain Nature Energy.

Lol. Amazing.

You already know it, but act like not knowing everything. I never claimed anything you post there

I said her Kekkei Mora not giving him any Senjutsu, Just control over all elements and Yin-Yang elements similar to Hagoromo's Rinnegan. She can control Nature.

She can used Senjutsu after she merged with Shinju. Its all already been shown at Kaguya arc. That Kaguya is Kaguya with Shinju and not just chakra fruit. If you want to proof to me that Kaguya before she merged with Shinju can used TSB, show me the manga panel. Im just using logical thinking here.

Kaguya Massive TSB is called as Kekkei Mora because its highest form of TSB.

Him not being able to unlock said abilities with the chakra he got only means that the chakra he got was insufficient or it means that he just couldn't do it. Obito took chakra from Madara and formed the Gudo Dama, yet Kakashi never showed the ability to form it despite having all of Obito's chakra along with his Six Paths Chakra. This proves nothing.

This whole post doesn't matter since it'd only be a counter if I said Six Paths Chakra gives you Six Paths Senjutsu 100% of the time, but it obviously doesn't. Madara and Sasuke got Rinnegan. Naruto got RSM. Lol. Read before you reply so you don't waste my time with irrelevant shit.

You also making baseless assumption there without manga fact. Im not alone here. Thats what I said it previously that obito Six Path Senjutsu that he stole from Madara is temporary. Plus he and Kakashi is not senjutsu users like Naruto. Because of that he cant maintained Six Path Senjutsu power long enough. But he still can maintained some Six Path chakra.

-Kishimoto has shown Kaguya's kids with the Gudo Dama on multiple occasions.
-Kishimoto has stated that Hagoromo and Hamura got their mother's chakra.

So unless you are claiming that Hagoromo and Hamura got their power from the goddamn air, then it's obvious she had the Gudo Dama, thus some form of Senjutsu, from the start. Merging with the Shinju did one thing and one thing only as far as the Manga has shown us: Make her into the Juubi. End of story.

And even if she didn't have Senjutsu, it doesn't matter since Hagoromo and Hamura have already shown the ability to use the Gudo Dama, meaning my original claim: "You can get Six Paths Senjutsu via two methods" is 100% true, and you are only arguing at this point for the sake of making yourself look dumb.

First point, only in one occasion only. But that still can be doubt because in numbers panels Kishi never shown any TSB around Hago and Hamura. Consistency problem.

Second point, already know kid no need to post it again. My post is connected not separated like you.

I never claimed they got their power from air. If Kaguya not pass down any Senjutsu power they still can get it. Hagoromo can still get Six Path Senjutsu power by taking a portion of Juubi Senjutsu power and stored it inside his body. By using creation of all thing and other power he have, this can be done and its possible. Thats why Im using Obito case as example.

For Hamura it can be that Hagoromo give some of his Six Path Senjutsu power to Hamura like what Hagoromo did to Naruto. Thats why Hamura have 5 TSB.(Naruto case)

Its just a theory and not fact. Thats is what you failed to get here.

Even you also need to gave me new info not that same info again and again.

 

[KidGamer65]

As I told you before, Juubi chakra granted you TSB. What is the difference between my understanding and your understanding. I think no. You just wasting your time explaining the same shit that I already nowLol

Lol, once again, stop being an idiot and read my posts. My one and only point from the start is that there are two ways to get it. Why are you still replying even after we both made that fact clear? Lol.

Third point. Prove it

Already posted scans of him having the Gudo Dama staff. Already posted scans of him using it w/o Juubi, meaning Juubi wasn't a factor, meaning he had it before. Already posted a scan of Kaguya viewing Hagoromo through her memory.

Kaguya TSB is shown when she already merged with Shinju. Thats mean many thing happen there. You should show me the scan that Kaguya creating her TSB before she merged with Shinju to create Juubi.


Or in other word she used TSB when she only had Chakra fruit power(Kekkei Mora)

its can be that her TSB only can be created after she got Shinju power after the merger. Its like combining her Kekkei Mora(Six Path chakra) with Shinju natural chakra gathering ability and forming Six Path Senjutsu chakra.

After that she can created TSB. The mechanisme is same as Juubi jin. Its possible

It's already fact her kids had the Gudo Dama because of their chakra, which they got from her. So no, unless you believe Hagoromo and Hamura got their powers from the air, then Kaguya always had her Gudo Dama. Please stop ignoring portions of my post, once again, it makes you look like an idiot.


You already know it, but act like not knowing everything. I never claimed anything you post there

I said her Kekkei Mora not giving him any Senjutsu, Just control over all elements and Yin-Yang elements similar to Hagoromo's Rinnegan. She can control Nature.

Wrong. The fruit gave her Kekkei Mora+Chakra+Rinne Sharingan+Flight and Gudo Dama.

She can used Senjutsu after she merged with Shinju. Its all already been shown at Kaguya arc. That Kaguya is Kaguya with Shinju and not just chakra fruit. If you want to proof to me that Kaguya before she merged with Shinju can used TSB, show me the manga panel. Im just using logical thinking here.

Lol, my sides.

Read above.

Kaguya Massive TSB is called as Kekkei Mora because its highest form of TSB.

True, but not relevant.

You also making baseless assumption there without manga fact. Im not alone here. Thats what I said it previously that obito Six Path Senjutsu that he stole from Madara is temporary. Plus he and Kakashi is not senjutsu users like Naruto. Because of that he cant maintained Six Path Senjutsu power long enough. But he still can maintained some Six Path chakra.

Baseless? No. Assumption? Yes. But that's only for why he didn't get it. All that matters is that he didn't get it, and others did so your argument fails right there. Not going to waste my time debating "why?" with you when "why?" is irrelevant.

Bold is baseless. It lasted even after Obito's death. Lol.

The rest is a baseless assumption as there was no time limit shown on Obito and Kakashi's Rikudo Powers. Kakashi only had a time limit on Obito's powers in general, and Obito had no time limit. Stop making shit up to prove your arguments.

-Does this change the fact that you can get it from Hagoromo's Chakra? No. Naruto and Obito disagree with you.

First point, only in one occasion only. But that still can be doubt because in numbers panels Kishi never shown any TSB around Hago and Hamura. Consistency problem.

-DB page I posted shows Hamura with the Gudo Dama.
-Dead Hagoromo has the Gudo Dama despite not being the JJ.
-They both have the staffs during their fight with Kaguya.

Did they still have the Gudo Dama? Yes. So end of story. Stop trying to debate what is clearly shown in the panels. All you can doubt is the amount they had at any given point of time. Quit trying to deny that they had them when more than 3 panels show them with the Gudo Dama. It's ridiculous.

Second point, already know kid no need to post it again. My post is connected not separated like you.

I've had to repeat myself this whole time because of your inability to read, might as well start getting used to it. Lol.

I never claimed they got their power from air. If Kaguya not pass down any Senjutsu power they still can get it. Hagoromo can still get Six Path Senjutsu power by taking a portion of Juubi Senjutsu power and stored it inside his body. By using creation of all thing and other power he have, this can be done and its possible. Thats why Im using Obito case as example.

PROOF THAT THIS HAPPENED?

Oh wait, it doesn't exist. Next.

For Hamura it can be that Hagoromo give some of his Six Path Senjutsu power to Hamura like what Hagoromo did to Naruto. Thats why Hamura have 5 TSB.(Naruto case)

PROOF THAT THIS HAPPENED?

Oh wait, it doesn't exist. Next.

Its just a theory and not fact. Thats is what you failed to get here.

I know that your shitty theory is a shitty theory. That's why I'm telling your dumbass to STOP MENTIONING IT AS EVIDENCE.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Lol, once again, stop being an idiot and read my posts. My one and only point from the start is that there are two ways to get it. Why are you still replying even after we both made that fact clear? Lol.





Already posted scans of him having the Gudo Dama staff. Already posted scans of him using it w/o Juubi, meaning Juubi wasn't a factor, meaning he had it before. Already posted a scan of Kaguya viewing Hagoromo through her memory.




It's already fact her kids had the Gudo Dama because of their chakra, which they got from her. So no, unless you believe Hagoromo and Hamura got their powers from the air, then Kaguya always had her Gudo Dama. Please stop ignoring portions of my post, once again, it makes you look like an idiot.


You already know it, but act like not knowing everything. I never claimed anything you post there



Wrong. The fruit gave her Kekkei Mora+Chakra+Rinne Sharingan+Flight and Gudo Dama.



Lol, my sides.

Read above.


True, but not relevant.




Baseless? No. Assumption? Yes. But that's only for why he didn't get it. All that matters is that he didn't get it, and others did so your argument fails right there. Not going to waste my time debating "why?" with you when "why?" is irrelevant.

Bold is baseless. It lasted even after Obito's death. Lol.

The rest is a baseless assumption as there was no time limit shown on Obito and Kakashi's Rikudo Powers. Kakashi only had a time limit on Obito's powers in general, and Obito had no time limit. Stop making shit up to prove your arguments.

-Does this change the fact that you can get it from Hagoromo's Chakra? No. Naruto and Obito disagree with you.




-DB page I posted shows Hamura with the Gudo Dama.
-Dead Hagoromo has the Gudo Dama despite not being the JJ.
-They both have the staffs during their fight with Kaguya.

Did they still have the Gudo Dama? Yes. So end of story. Stop trying to debate what is clearly shown in the panels. All you can doubt is the amount they had at any given point of time. Quit trying to deny that they had them when more than 3 panels show them with the Gudo Dama. It's ridiculous.



I've had to repeat myself this whole time because of your inability to read, might as well start getting used to it. Lol.



PROOF THAT THIS HAPPENED?

Oh wait, it doesn't exist. Next.





PROOF THAT THIS HAPPENED?

Oh wait, it doesn't exist. Next.


I know that your shitty theory is a shitty theory. That's why I'm telling your dumbass to STOP MENTIONING IT AS EVIDENCE.

There is no point to argue with you anymore here because you misinterpreted many of my points and you make me feel like your intelligence is low.

You even avoided to gave manga fact or DB facts to prove you're right.

I want you explain to me where was their Sphere shaped TSB not their black staff. Where does all that balls go? Juubi jin has both Black stuff and TSB with them but there no where to be found when Hago and Hamura fought Juubi, only their black stuff. Even current Hago shows us he had both every time. You cant said they turn off their TSB. You must give an evidence.

Hagoromo and Hamura when fighting Juubi

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Current Hagoromo

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I check in Wiki, no where it stated that chakra fruit gave Kaguya some of the abilities like TSB and Senjutsu. All translation or information is simple and to vague.

But with all that you still believe what you think is true without giving me any proof like Hagoromo words , Wiki or DB. Its because you cant and also you doesnt have enough materials to used. And I think Wiki gets it facts from Databook.

Im waiting for your joke response if you have it.

 

[KidGamer65]

There is no point to argue with you anymore here because you misinterpreted many of my points and you make me feel like your intelligence is low.

You even avoided to gave manga fact or DB facts to prove you're right.

Already did. If you don't have the mental capacity to put the dots together, then it's clear how much of an idiot you are and how much of my time I wasted on you.

I want you explain to me where was their Sphere shaped TSB not their black staff. Where does all that balls go? Juubi jin has both Black stuff and TSB with them but there no where to be found when Hago and Hamura fought Juubi, only their black stuff. Even current Hago shows us he had both every time. You cant said they turn off their TSB. You must give an evidence.

I don't give a giant flying fuck what happened to them. As long as those staffs are Gudo Dama, then my point stands. As long as there are panels of them using the Gudo Dama despite not having the Juubi, then my point stands.

I check in Wiki, no where it stated that chakra fruit gave Kaguya some of the abilities like TSB and Senjutsu. All translation or information is simple and to vague.

All of Kaguya's abilities came from the fruit as chakra didn't even exist in anything besides the Shinju until then. Stop whining about translations and use your brain.

But with all that you still believe what you think is true without giving me any proof like Hagoromo words , Wiki or DB. Its because you cant and also you doesnt have enough materials to used. And I think Wiki gets it facts from Databook.

Im waiting for your joke response if you have it.

-Already proved that Hagoromo and Hamura can use the Gudo Dama w/o the Juubi. Already posted a DB scan for Hamura. Already posted 2 Manga scans for Hagoromo.

Yet your retarded ass tells me that there is no proof?

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Deal with it.

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Deal with it.

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Deal with it.

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Deal with it. Dumb bitch.