Question about TSB

[antwquan]

It says 5 basic Nature's and Yin/Yang release from the Databook. I heard it takes Senjutsu too.. But Toreni gain TSB and he didn't have Senjutsu.

Exactly it doesn't make sense.

 

[Chaosmark101]

I thought about this a couple months ago.

So the Naruto fanboys are wrong when they act like Naruto didn't have/use the Bijuus chakra during their battle. Well those guys always were unintelligent to begin with.

Lol. I think they were talking about how he couldn't use their chakra for bijuu damas, the bijuu KKG, or a combination bijuu ashura avatar (I was hoping to see that against kaguya honestly)

Well Sasuke have rikudo chakra directly from Hagoromo.

Obito did he also still had rikudo chakra left over but still wasn't able to make TSB the only reason Kakashi made PS was because of rikudo chakra.

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and the Kakashi point has nothing too do with the topic, TSB

 

[Ansatsuken]

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Doesn't say six paths senjutsu is needed tho if that's a requirement then its weird that it wasn't said but only the elements and yin and yang is

You are confused here, I see

BZ said Kaguya's TSB contained all that elements but not how to create it.

Having all elements including Yin-Yang doesnt mean you cant create it easily. How Hagoromo maintaining his Rikudou Senjutsu and TSB after Juubi is no more inside him?

He studied the Juubi body before and mastered it. And after all that is done, he released Juubi from his body and sealed it.

I told you before, two ways to obtain Rikudou Senjutsu and TSB

1. By being Juubi jin. By being Juubi jin, you will get access to Rikudou Senjutsu and already molded and shaped TSB.

2. By learning the secret of Juubi body. This is what Hagoromo did. Without learning and studying Juubi power, no way Hagoromo can maintained Rikudou power after juubi is no more and also after he die.

Sasuke is need to learn how to create TSB, but from who?

I sew you complicated your mind here by thinking on many thing, you take all info members gave you here at face value without trying to analyze it first.

 

[antwquan]

Lol. I think they were talking about how he couldn't use their chakra for bijuu damas, the bijuu KKG, or a combination bijuu ashura avatar (I was hoping to see that against kaguya honestly)

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and the Kakashi point has nothing too do with the topic, TSB

How is what I said nothing to do with the topic? You said rikudo chakra is needed for TSB Obito still had TSB even though he gave all that chakra he had to Naruto his rikudo chakra let Kakashi use PS but he still couldn't make TSB before that.

You are confused here, I see

BZ said Kaguya's TSB contained all that elements but not how to create it.

Have all elements including Yin-Yang doesnt mean you cant create it easily. How Hagoromo maintaining his Rikudou Senjutsu and TSB after Juubi is no more inside him?

He studied the Juubi body before and mastered it. And after all that is done, he released Juubi from his body and sealed it.

I told you before, two ways to obtain Rikudou Senjutsu and TSB

1. By being Juubi jin. By being Juubi jin, you will get access to Rikudou Senjutsu and already molded and shaped TSB.

2. By learning the secret of Juubi body. This is what Hagoromo did. Without learning and studying Juubi power, no way Hagoromo can maintained Rikudou power after juubi is no more and also after he die.

Sasuke is need to learn how to create TSB, but from who?

That's why I said in the OP if Sasuke learns how to combine his 5 elements and yin yang can he make them.

If only six paths senjutsu is needed then why is the elements yin yang need to be put into it? And said in the data book was needed for it.

 

[Chaosmark101]

How is what I said nothing to do with the topic? You said rikudo chakra is needed for TSB Obito still had TSB even though he gave all that chakra he had to Naruto his rikudo chakra let Kakashi use PS but he still couldn't make TSB before that.

You just said on the last page

Well Sasuke have rikudo chakra directly from Hagoromo.

Obito did he also still had rikudo chakra left over but still wasn't able to make TSB the only reason Kakashi made PS was because of rikudo chakra

I gave you scan of him making TSB.
Also what I meant by Rikudou chakra was along the lines of being a former juubi jin. Sasuke was never JJ so it's impossible for him. (Unless he becomes JJ)

 

[Ansatsuken]

How is what I said nothing to do with the topic? You said rikudo chakra is needed for TSB Obito still had TSB even though he gave all that chakra he had to Naruto his rikudo chakra let Kakashi use PS but he still couldn't make TSB before that.


That's why I said in the OP if Sasuke learns how to combine his 5 elements and yin yang can he make them.

If only six paths senjutsu is needed then why is the elements yin yang need to be put into it? And said in the data book was needed for it.

You think Six Path Senjutsu is same as normal Sage Mode?

If you think like that you are wrong.

I said countless of time before at Naruto fans, Even if Naruto absorbed all Natural chakra on earth he still unble to obtain Rikudou Senjutsu that gave you TSB, flight ability, etc

Rikudou Senjutsu not created like that, its special kind of Senjutsu only Juubi can give. Without being a Juubi jin, no way Hago can obtain Rikudou Senjutsu

Its not just normal Senjutsu but having Six Path power that we know containing Yin-Yang power manipulation also

Example of six path is Rinnegan that contained Hagoromo Yin-Yang chakra.


Six Paths Chakra

Hagoromo Naruto and Sasuke

Hagoromo giving his Six Paths Chakra to Naruto and Sasuke.
The Six Paths Chakra (六道チャクラ, Rikudō Chakura) is the unique chakra of Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki, otherwise known as the Sage of the Six Paths. Hagoromo's chakra can be acquired by combining the chakra of both his sons, Indra Ōtsutsuki and Asura Ōtsutsuki, which can evolve a Sharingan into Hagoromo's own dōjutsu, the Rinnegan.

Hagoromo transferred his Six Paths chakra to Naruto Uzumaki and Sasuke Uchiha when they were near death, causing them to gain the Six Paths Sage Mode and Rinnegan, respectively.[10] This chakra allowed Naruto and Sasuke to directly harm Madara Uchiha when he was the Ten-Tails' jinchūriki. Naruto's Truth-Seeking Balls contained the Six Paths Sage Chakra (六道の仙人チャクラ, Rikudō no Sennin Chakura), allowing him to damage Madara's shadows, and Sasuke utilised the Six Paths Power (六道の力, Rikudō no Chikara) with his Chidori in order to damage and even bisect Madara. Obito Uchiha was able to temporarily give this power to Kakashi Hatake when he transferred his chakra to him as a spirit during the battle against Kaguya Ōtsutsuki, allowing Kakashi to damage Kaguya. This power can amplify any technique and can also change its colour, as seen with Sasuke's Chidori and Kakashi's Lightning Cutter.

There are also Six Paths Yin and Yang powers, which can be transferred between individuals. Incredible feats can be achieved when the two powers are combined, such as unleashing a massive Chibaku Tensei capable of creating a moon and sealing a being as powerful as Kaguya.

 

[antwquan]

You just said on the last page

I gave you scan of him making TSB.
Also what I meant by Rikudou chakra was along the lines of being a former juubi jin. Sasuke was never JJ so it's impossible for him. (Unless he becomes JJ)

I said Obito had rikudo chakra left over which let Kakashi use PS

I also said after he gave all that chakra to Naruto.

Hagoromo was born while Kaguya was juubi jin and Naruto and Sasuke got his chakra directly doesn't make sense that only Naruto can use TSB when the data book says yin yang and all 5 elements is needed and if sage chakra is needed they both have that so it still doesn't make sense

 

[antwquan]

You think Six Path Senjutsu is same as normal Sage Mode?

If you think like that you are wrong.

I said countless of time before at Naruto fans, Even if Naruto absorbed all Natural chakra on earth he still unble to obtain Rikudou Senjutsu that gave you TSB, flight ability, etc

Rikudou Senjutsu not created like that, its special kind of Senjutsu only Juubi can give. Without being a Juubi jin, no way Hago can obtain Rikudou Senjutsu

Its not just normal Senjutsu but having Six Path power that we know containing Yin-Yang power manipulation also

Example of six path is Rinnegan that contained Hagoromo Yin-Yang chakra.

No I never said that or implied that

 

[Chaosmark101]

Az Eleon gets it.

Juubi=Nature or Senjutsu

Bijuu chakra = a form of Senjutsu chakra
that's why when it comes too power It goes like Juubi > Bijuu > Senjutsu > Normal Ninjutsu

 

[Chaosmark101]

I said Obito had rikudo chakra left over which let Kakashi use PS

kk.

I also said after he gave all that chakra to Naruto.

Obito didn't give Naruto Rikudou chakra, just Yin Kurama some of the one tails, and some of the eight tails.

Hagoromo was born while Kaguya was juubi jin and Naruto and Sasuke got his chakra directly doesn't make sense that only Naruto can use TSB when the data book says yin yang and all 5 elements is needed and if sage chakra is needed they both have that so it still doesn't make sense

1. Kaguya was not Juubi jin, She is the Juubi herself. After she noticed Her kids had chakra like her she got jelly, and wanted it back.

2.It does make sense because both were getting different power ups.
Sasuke/Indra represents (Eye's of the Sage) Doujutsu eg. Rinnegan

Naruto/Ashura represents the (Body of the Sage) Vitality, life force, senjutsu eg Juubi Jin, or pseudo in Narutos case

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol. I dunno what's being said in this thread, but Gudo Dama and Six Paths Sage Mode don't require the Bijuu's Chakra. Never once said or stated in the Manga. The only require Hagoromo's chakra, as seen by 3 people w/o Bijuu, possibly 4, using Gudo Dama. Hagoromo before he became the JJ. Hamura. Obito after he lost the Juubi, and possibly Ashura.

Rikudo's Chakra=Six Paths Sage Mode.

9 Bijuu=Juubi. Juubi=Rikudo's Chakra=Six Paths Sage Mode.

Rikudou Senjutsu not created like that, its special kind of Senjutsu only Juubi can give. Without being a Juubi jin, no way Hago can obtain Rikudou Senjutsu

Its not just normal Senjutsu but having Six Path power that we know containing Yin-Yang power manipulation also

Example of six path is Rinnegan that contained Hagoromo Yin-Yang chakra.

Wrong. Hagoromo is shown with his Rikudo Senjutsu even when he appears as a ghost. Thus no Juubi. Then there's the fact that Naruto has it and he got it from Hagoromo's chakra.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Lol. I dunno what's being said in this thread, but Gudo Dama and Six Paths Sage Mode don't require the Bijuu's Chakra. Never once said or stated in the Manga. The only require Hagoromo's chakra, as seen by 3 people w/o Bijuu, possibly 4, using Gudo Dama. Hagoromo before he became the JJ. Hamura. Obito after he lost the Juubi, and possibly Ashura.

Rikudo's Chakra=Six Paths Sage Mode.

9 Bijuu=Juubi. Juubi=Rikudo's Chakra=Six Paths Sage Mode.



Wrong. Hagoromo is shown with his Rikudo Senjutsu even when he appears as a ghost. Thus no Juubi. Then there's the fact that Naruto has it and he got it from Hagoromo's chakra.

I said countless of time in this thread alone that Hagoromo still have Rikudou Senjutsu after not being a Juubi jin Hagoromo and after he die and gave possible reason. But you chose to capture that post only without reading my other posts in here.

Im not wrong because Im using manga fact only and I have many thing to connect and explain here but chose to wait for right post to quote. SMH

And how do you know young Hago and Hamura had TSB when fighting with Juubi? Give me possible reason and not because their stuff are black in color.

 

[KidGamer65]

I said countless of time in this thread alone that Hagoromo still have Rikudou Senjutsu after not being a Juubi jin Hagoromo and after he die and gave possible reason. But you chose to capture that post only without reading my other posts in here.

Im not wrong because Im using manga fact only and I have many thing to connect and explain here but chose to wait for right post to quote. SMH

I only quoted the most recent post I saw, as that'd reflect your most recent views. Not my fault that you decided to state "Only Juubi can give Rikudo Senjutsu" and "Hagoromo can't have it without being Juubi Jin".

Lol. And then there's this:

1. By being Juubi jin. By being Juubi jin, you will get access to Rikudou Senjutsu and already molded and shaped TSB.

2. By learning the secret of Juubi body. This is what Hagoromo did. Without learning and studying Juubi power, no way Hagoromo can maintained Rikudou power after juubi is no more and also after he die.

Sasuke is need to learn how to create TSB, but from who?

Number 2 is fanfic. You get Gudo Dama by being the Juubi Jin, or by having Hagoromo's chakra. Not sure why people are coming up with all these different, unsupported by Manga, requirements. Hagoromo and Hamura had the ability to use the Gudo Dama before Hagoromo got the Juubi. Thus the Juubi is only another way, and Rikudo's Chakra is another way. There is no "learning the secret of the Juubi's body". If that were true, Hamura wouldn't have it, Ashura wouldn't have it, Hagoromo before becoming the Juubi Jin wouldn't have it nor would Naruto have it.

 

[antwquan]

Lol. I dunno what's being said in this thread, but Gudo Dama and Six Paths Sage Mode don't require the Bijuu's Chakra. Never once said or stated in the Manga. The only require Hagoromo's chakra, as seen by 3 people w/o Bijuu, possibly 4, using Gudo Dama. Hagoromo before he became the JJ. Hamura. Obito after he lost the Juubi, and possibly Ashura.

Rikudo's Chakra=Six Paths Sage Mode.

9 Bijuu=Juubi. Juubi=Rikudo's Chakra=Six Paths Sage Mode.



Wrong. Hagoromo is shown with his Rikudo Senjutsu even when he appears as a ghost. Thus no Juubi. Then there's the fact that Naruto has it and he got it from Hagoromo's chakra.

So basically Sasuke can have TSB since he have Rikudo chakra? Or he have to mix all his elements and yin Yang?

 

[KidGamer65]

So basically Sasuke can have TSB since he have Rikudo chakra? Or he have to mix all his elements and yin Yang?

Nope. That's like saying Naruto can have Rinnegan because he got Hagoromo's chakra, which is the only requirement. Different sides of the spectrum. Probably because one has Sage Mode and the other has EMS. The chakra probably evolved their respective abilities, in a sense.

EMS to Rinnegan.

Sage Mode to Six Paths Sage Mode.

And how do you know young Hago and Hamura had TSB when fighting with Juubi? Give me possible reason and not because their stuff are black in color.

Lol. The staff is the exact same staff Obito and Madara use in the War. There is no difference. you denying it doesn't change the facts.

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Besides. Hamura had the Gudo Dama. Never made contact with the Juubi outside of his fight with it.

 

[antwquan]

Nope. That's like saying Naruto can have Rinnegan because he got Hagoromo's chakra, which is the only requirement. Different sides of the spectrum. Probably because one has Sage Mode and the other has EMS. The chakra probably evolved their respective abilities, in a sense.

EMS to Rinnegan.

Sage Mode to Six Paths Sage Mode.



Lol. The staff is the exact same staff Obito and Madara use in the War. There is no difference. you denying it doesn't change the facts.

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Besides. Hamura had the Gudo Dama. Never made contact with the Juubi outside of his fight with it.

Well TSB isn't a "body" type power at least not from data book standpoint. Hamura had it he had rikudo chakra (I think) and byakugan Hagoromo had rikudo chakra with Rinnegan I don't think it's far fetched honestly.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Lol. I think they were talking about how he couldn't use their chakra for bijuu damas, the bijuu KKG, or a combination bijuu ashura avatar (I was hoping to see that against kaguya honestly)

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and the Kakashi point has nothing too do with the topic, TSB

Read below.

Well seem like you are smart to make thing up from almost nothing...
Know what ? Hype=/=Feat

Yes,you are right,Naruto did have and use chakra from all the Bijuu.

The Sage said Naruto had chakra from all the Bijuu twice.

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Months ago i would always post these pages when peoole would say Naruto didn't.Then after alittle while,it became well known that the Sage said Naruto had the Bijuus chakra,so what was Naruto fans counter?

Naruto had it,but he didn't use it cause he didn't have access to it.

LOL Naruto ran out of chakra multiple times in the battle,so Naruto ran out of chakra,yet didn't use a portion of it? How does that make sense? While i was on break from this site i figured that Naruto's new mode is made from the Sage's chakra + the Bijuus since Naruto got that made right when he got the Sage's chakra,and was able to use the Bijuus.

In The Last he is back to using Bijuu Mode,why? Because he used all the Bijuus chakra up against Sasuke in their battle.What sense does it make for Naruto to not have been using his strongest mode against Toneri while the world was at stake? He didn't use it cause he couldn't,cause he didn't have all the other Bijuus chakra.

Also here's a Viz scan of what Sasuke said to Naruto.

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This was after Naruto used multiple Bijuudama,Shadow clones,and Kyuubi avatars.Remember,the Sharingan,and Rinnegan can see chakra.Sasuke himself pointed how Naruto had chakra from the Bijuu.

 

[take it easy]

Sasuke fans keep saying that Naruto used other bijuu chakra against Sasuke ?

1. Naruto asked them for chakra everytime when he used jutsu.

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2. His jutsu when he uses other bijuu look different when he uses only Kurama

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add to this his lack of killing intent and we can say that Naruto used only Kurama against Sasuke.

 

[antwquan]

Sasuke fans keep saying that Naruto used other bijuu chakra against Sasuke ?

:| Don't bring this here

 

[Ansatsuken]

I only quoted the most recent post I saw, as that'd reflect your most recent views. Not my fault that you decided to state "Only Juubi can give Rikudo Senjutsu" and "Hagoromo can't have it without being Juubi Jin".

Lol. And then there's this:



Number 2 is fanfic. You get Gudo Dama by being the Juubi Jin, or by having Hagoromo's chakra. Not sure why people are coming up with all these different, unsupported by Manga, requirements. Hagoromo and Hamura had the ability to use the Gudo Dama before Hagoromo got the Juubi. Thus the Juubi is only another way, and Rikudo's Chakra is another way. There is no "learning the secret of the Juubi's body". If that were true, Hamura wouldn't have it, Ashura wouldn't have it, Hagoromo before becoming the Juubi Jin wouldn't have it nor would Naruto have it.

Thats is not a fan fic.

Just because you doesnt have direct and clear manga fact or data book, you called it fan fic.

This is Naruto manga and Mr. Kishimoto never gave us direct manga fact for most of the time. He most of the time like to connect something. Its either we awared or not.

But first where it stated/shown that young Hagoromo and Hamura has TSB when they fought Juubi? And from who they acquired that power in the first places?

If you said from Rinnegan, why Madara doesnt have TSB? Madara before he becamee JJ already have Hagoromo chakra that contain Six Path power(Rikudou) inside his body but not body power.

You said by having Hago chakra only and where is Madara TSB even just one.

Kaguya pass down her Six Path power to Hago and Hamura that she gained by eating Chakra fruit possibly/theoritically. But do you support this idea?

If not, how young Hago and Hamura obtàined Rikudou(six path) power if Kaguya not the source? from who? I want to see your answer about this.

And if you support my Idea, thats mean its not because of Hagoromo chakra that someone able obtained Six Path Senjutsu and TSB. Its Kaguya or Juubi.

You brought here Obito and Naruto cases. But you forgot/failed to looks around you. Non jin Obito able to manifest TSB stuff was because he stole Rikudou Madara chakra that have Rikudou Senjutsu and Rinnegan.

You brought here Naruto, but you forgot to take into consideration from who he got that RSM power. Its from Hagoromo himself.

When you want to used both of them as your case materials, you should take into consideration from who the case subjects got their power. You want to prove me wrong but first you must do some research or assesment.

Obito sure can temporarily create that TSB Shakujou because he connected and stole Rikudou Sage chakra from Rikudou Madara body and Naruto got power up from Six Path Senjutsu user directly. Hagoromo can do anything to him even giving non JJ Rikudou Senjutsu to Naruto. He is Hagoromo dude.

You should learn how to create theory of possibility, connected separated info piece by piece and turned it into one large picture. They are all info but separated with each others.

Last but not least, how Hinata that recieved Hamura chakra in the last doesnt have Shakujou or TSB.

Please dude if you dont have concrete info to denied me, dont mind to quote me.

You tried to used Fact, Fact, Fact many times here but you forgot that Naruto have many plot hole and retconning shit. And all those fact you shows me still have hole unless you can gave me concrete reason. You said Im denying but you just show me that Japanese text book and not prove anything there on how he obtaining it.

You cant said that stuff is there thats mean I must accept it at face value, no thats just a weak argument and you want to run from giving your reasons.