Question about Madara and hashirama

[Uchicha Macho]

1.Before Madara and Hashirama form konoha other alliacne used to hire the uchiha clan to fight their battles against the senju,rite?If madara and hashirama faught several times why not madara die during those battle?
Madara should know all of hashirama capabilities during that battle therefore he will avoid those attack.
Madara and Hashirama final battle after they form konoha,i feel madara did survive similar to his previous battles with hashirama.Therefore i believe he know how to plan his death maybe by izanagi or something like that .
2.We saw that madara fires jutsu is strong enough to burn down mokuton

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Therefore the great mokutan/wood release is not strong against fire jutsu?

3 Yamato and hashimara only shown to use wood release only in the manga.Yamato was technically a clone of hashirama made form orichimaru experiment.

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However we saw that hashirama dna with madara power produce flower which have status effect(sleeping effect)along with it.I want to know if it is madara knowledge of hashirama abilities from previous battle from his sharingan cause him to incooperate into his rinnegan to form the flower jutsu or hashirama could have done it by himself?.


I ASKING QUESTION .NOT ASKING FOR FLAME

 

[Flame Alchemist]

no. yamato's power are way below hashirama's he said it himself.
that technique could be used by hashirama too. kabuto said that "his powers were unbelievable people started believing they were just a fairy tale."

it seems hashirama was way more poweful than the hype he has

 

[Uchicha Macho]

Another question.Madara was lying about taking hashirama dna?The way have it looking fromt the manga ,orichimaru and kabuto give him mokuton ,rinnegan and other stuff .Basically madara was a lab rat or Kabuto donot alway say the truth?

 

[Blaze Release]

This is what i believe.
Before madara had the ems, he had the ms and with that had fought on par with hashirama many times. Now you would say with the ems he should be stronger but along with the fox he should beat hashirama.

The reasons i believe he lost with the ems and the fox is because he totally disregarded everything else like intelligence and skill and just went into the fight with raw power thinking thats all thats needed to defeat hashirama and with this thinking lost.

Also its true katon > mokouton, but hashirama was also a master of suiton and doton

 

[Flame Alchemist]

Another question.Madara was lying about taking hashirama dna?The way have it looking fromt the manga ,orichimaru and kabuto give him mokuton ,rinnegan and other stuff .Basically madara was a lab rat or Kabuto donot alway say the truth?

I think he had hashirama's dna but not to this extent. it was like danzo's version. but kabuto/orochimaru took it the level we see it now.

 

[TrollingSage]

Another question.Madara was lying about taking hashirama dna?The way have it looking fromt the manga ,orichimaru and kabuto give him mokuton ,rinnegan and other stuff .Basically madara was a lab rat or Kabuto donot alway say the truth?

Two possibilites
1. Madara needed Hashi's dna for something other than wood.
2.Madara was after wood but he wasnt successful in combining his dna with Hashi's.

 

[3MESSIAH]

I think that madara did take hashirama`s DNA,for he created zetsu(at least i think so) but then orochimaru/kabuto strengthened it`s power and completely joined hashirama with madara.

 

[Draegod]

Ummmm... NO! Hashirama wasnt the killing type! Since he developed a rival in Madara he didnt kill him (remember Madara wasnt evil back then, it was simply buisness!). Similar to MINATO AND "A" they fought plenty times and never killed one another. It was just Buisness!

At the valley of the end is when it wasnt buisness and hashi had to go all out to protect the Village and his loved ones, That right there gives him a reason to go all out!

I doubt your a dc fan, but when superman fought DARKSIDE BRAINIAC he went all out for the first time in his life because he had a reason too!

I know your a huge UCHIHA tip ryder, But it has Been confirmed that Hashi is everybit away better then EMS madara!

 

[Ambriel]

Madara got his wood release after there last battle, decades past madara awaken rinnegan somehow

 

[Flame Alchemist]

kabuto: "you were completed beyond your prime."
madara: "you know about my prime?"

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after today's episode I think that in his fight against hashirama, madara obtained hashirama's DNA, and then (how long it took is unclear) he obtained rinnegan. and he reached his prime. but soon he died.

before resurrecting him kabuto used oro's researches and worked on madara to make his wood powers this powerful.


now in here,

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kabuto talks about his fight with the 1st. he implies madara stole hashirama's cells. realizing that madara takes a look at his chest feeling that kabuto did something. when he saw hashirama's face he realized he now has all of his powers. (he didn't have it when he was alive and after being resurrected he didn't realize he could use them to this extent until he saw this)

after that he says "there is jutsu I wanna try out", a wood technique

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this means he neved had done it before, and this proves my theory up above.


and in today's chapter, kabuto said "what orochimaru created is way beyond danzo's"

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this proves that what kabuto was talking about "being completed beyond his prime" was abling madara to use wood element on hashirama's level


so in short,

madara vs. hashirama, hashirama wins, madara obtains some of his dna.
(madara is able to use mokuton on danzo's level)
madara obtains rinnegan.
madara dies
kabuto takes madara's body and makes some improvements.
(and now) madara is able to use mokuton on hashirama's level

 

[stu21]

I have a feeling that this Edo Madar is not more than a experiment, a lab rat 100% created by orochimaru, with Madara's and Harashirama's DNA. Maybe Tobi is really the original Madara... I dunno

 

[spike00spiegel]

I have a feeling that this Edo Madar is not more than a experiment, a lab rat 100% created by orochimaru, with Madara's and Harashirama's DNA. Maybe Tobi is really the original Madara... I dunno

right orochimaru shit-ed a soul, EMS and Rinnegan,

 

[Uchicha Macho]

if edo madara is the experimental rat ,then tobi could be the original madara.Edo madara could be a combination of different DNA and experiments (not the real madara)

 

[stu21]

right orochimaru shit-ed a soul, EMS and Rinnegan,

He could have cloned Madara and then enhanced him.

 

[Uchicha Macho]

This is what i believe.
Before madara had the ems, he had the ms and with that had fought on par with hashirama many times. Now you would say with the ems he should be stronger but along with the fox he should beat hashirama.

The reasons i believe he lost with the ems and the fox is because he totally disregarded everything else like intelligence and skill and just went into the fight with raw power thinking thats all thats needed to defeat hashirama and with this thinking lost.

Also its true katon > mokouton, but hashirama was also a master of suiton and doton

i feel the same way u thinking also.Kabuto not 100% sure about the battle.He just assuming stuff

 

[arv993]

This is what i believe.
Before madara had the ems, he had the ms and with that had fought on par with hashirama many times. Now you would say with the ems he should be stronger but along with the fox he should beat hashirama.

The reasons i believe he lost with the ems and the fox is because he totally disregarded everything else like intelligence and skill and just went into the fight with raw power thinking thats all thats needed to defeat hashirama and with this thinking lost.

Also its true katon > mokouton, but hashirama was also a master of suiton and doton

madara i think realized during his times with ms he needs to be more powerful cause of hashirama's power. But once he gained ems he was on a equal footing seeing how neither died after many fights.

See madara+ kyubi is actually a bad match up we know madara doesnt have control over the fox for long and madara has the perfect jutsu to nullify nine tails its not that madara was much weaker they are along the same strength obviously hashirama having the edge but its just nine tails can be suppressed and after losing control over it is no longer useful.

 

[Uchicha Macho]

madara i think realized during his times with ms he needs to be more powerful cause of hashirama's power. But once he gained ems he was on a equal footing seeing how neither died after many fights.

See madara+ kyubi is actually a bad match up we know madara doesnt have control over the fox for long and madara has the perfect jutsu to nullify nine tails its not that madara was much weaker they are along the same strength obviously hashirama having the edge but its just nine tails can be suppressed and after losing control over it is no longer useful.

Hashirama and madara faught numerous time before they finally decide to form konoha.Other ninja alliance hire the uchiha to counter the senju allaince force .Both Madara and hashirama never did die from their several encounter in the pass.This mean they could killed each other (they equal).When madara get ems ,people praise him to be the most power ninja (itachi said so) ,the senju wanted them to them to form konoha.
Even when madara had ems the elders and the senju were fear of the clan that why they put uchiha clan in a remote area.They also made them become the police force inorder for the senju to keep an eyes on them.
The senju also use itachi to kill the uchiha clan rather than themselve because they were afraid

 

[arv993]

Hashirama and madara faught numerous time before they finally decide to form konoha.Other ninja alliance hire the uchiha to counter the senju allaince force .Both Madara and hashirama never did die from their several encounter in the pass.This mean they could killed each other (they equal).When madara get ems ,people praise him to be the most power ninja (itachi said so) ,the senju wanted them to them to form konoha.
Even when madara had ems the elders and the senju were fear of the clan that why they put uchiha clan in a remote area.They also made them become the police force inorder for the senju to keep an eyes on them.
The senju also use itachi to kill the uchiha clan rather than themselve because they were afraid

different sources say different things but truth is hashirama and madara ems were close in power but hashirama had the edge and clearly won and he is stronger. rinnegan is a different story however