[Theory] Putting some pieces together [Major Spoilers Inside]

[Necron]

A lot was revealed in the latest chapter, much more than what one can virtually see. I just put some of the pieces together, and here is my theory... Well, actually it's more like 3 theories, but I didn't feel like creating a different thread for each...

Gedo Mazo and Susano

I know something simular must exist, but I want to present my own version:

When Madara fought Hashirama, Hashirama had to come up with something simular to Susano-o perfect form... Remember how Madara sayed something about "Battle with Hashirama is on a whole different scale"? I think he was much more literal than what we initially thought. So, to fight Susano, he enveloped himself in Wood Release, and created: Gedo Mazo!!! Everyone has seen how Gedo Mazo resmbles being made of wood. "Gedo" means "outer path" in Budism, which could also hint the fact that it's an Exoscelet!

Ofcource, everyone knows how Hashirama defeated Madara, so he could not possibly be inside the Gedo Mazo... or could he?

Then, you might ask, who was that, summoned by Orochimaru. Imo, that makes perfect sence. I mean, remember how Hashirama was nothing in comparison to his hype?

My explaination is this: The original Tobi, was indeed Madara. He let everyone belive Hashirama won, and, with the DNA he aquired, he made a clone of Hashirama, who would lead the village, and report he won against Madara. That said, he would be the Kage undirectly, as everyone from his clan betrayed him. At some point though, something must have gone wrong, and the clone died. That clone was what Orochimaru summoned, thinking it was Hashirama. That would also explain why the Hashirama Orochimaru summoned was not as powerfull as his hype... As a mere clone of Hashirama, he was propably way weaker, just like Yamato's power is nothing compared to Hashirama...

Then, if Hashirama who is sealed inside the Shinigami is a clone, were is the original Hashirama? IMO, he is still in the Gedo Mazo, that's how Tobi found the DNA to create Zetu!

Susano-o Perfect Form
As everyone has seen, before releasing the perfect form, Madara managed to create the Susano-o, or, if you prefear, a Susano with a whole body, very simular to a Biju. So, in my oppinion, the EMS upgrade of Susano, is this Full body Susano, wile the Perfect Form is propably a Rinengan upgrade!

Sasuke's Susano
And, here we are, back at the EMS user Sasuke. If you ask me, for now he will get the Susano-o with the full body (from EMS), and unlock the Rinnengan latter, to grant him Susano-o Perfect form.. But, Madara clearly saied that, the only thing that could have a chance against Susano-o perfect form, is a Biju... Now, depending on if you can reverce the statment or not, here are the 2 possibilities I see:

Option A: Susano-o Perfect form can fight on equal terms with a Biju:
That would propably hint Sasuke will get the Rinengan before his fight with Naruto. The fight will be epic, and will be on equal terms, that is for sure. So, if this is the case, Sasuke might be weaker than Naruto right now, and will unlock the Rinengan soon.

Option B: Susano-o Perfect form is way more powerfull than a Biju:
If that was the meaning of Madara's words, it would mean that, a biju has a slight chance to beat Susano-o perfect form, but is much weaker than it. In that case, Naruto and Sasuke are equal in power right now, and will have a fight betwin Sasuke's Susano-o and Naruto's Biju mode. That, however won't be the final battle: Sasuke will get the Rinnengan, and, just like fans predict, Naruto will become the Jinchuriki of all 9 biju soon, and possibly even unlock a Jubi Mode... In that case, round one will propably end up as a draw, and round two (Perfect Form vs Jubi) will have a clear winner!

Now, I might be wrong, and Sasuke might be able to use the perfect form with EMS as well, but I highly doupt it U_U

Please comment, rate the theories etc...

PS: Comments like "Didn't read, lol" etc WILL be reported as spam, so, if you are about to do that, just don't! U_U

 

[IzunaUchiha2]

Very good theories + rep

 

[Sir Blades]

then how is hashirama related to the rinnegan and the gedo mazo, that makes no sense.

 

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Just kidding Necron, I read it all, and it seems very interesting. +Rep for the creativity.

 

[LostForver06]

I think your theories are valid and can defenately be possibities. We will see what happens.

 

[Annoying7218]

I don't understand it.
But i think the masked man might be madara's brother or the sage of 6 paths

 

[Lucidus]

nice.... some of it didnt make perfect sence but gd work for coming up with something different to everyone else

 

[p0002q]

I can easily agree with the part about Hashirama coming up with a counter to Susano.

But the other seems far fetched in my mind.

Edo Tensei pulls a soul from the "dead world" into a sacrifice of a living person.
A clone would not have a soul, and maru would not be able to edo it.

Hashirama and his brother both apologized to the 3rd for causing trouble.

That means that they both were able to restrict themselves from going 100% against the 3rd and imo wanted to be stopped.

Maru also likes to "play" with his prey.... so he was not going for the kill right away - also my opinion, but maru and 3rd spent a lot of time talking proving that maru wasn't just aiming to kill.

 

[MRMichael]

+ rep in deed not convinced on the idea as whole but nice tidbits

 

[Necron]

then how is hashirama related to the rinnegan and the gedo mazo, that makes no sense.

Good question: If, like Tobi sayed, he was the one that gave Rinnengan to Nagato, there is propably some connection betwin it and the Gedo Mazo... Also, the most hinted theory is that, to unlock the Rinengan, you need both Uchiha eyes and Senju DNA. It's highly possible that, the Rinengan Nagato had is in fact Madara's, and was passed to him, when he died, by Tobi. If the Senju part was that of Hashirama, it's highly propable that it made a connection betwin Hashirama's body (inside Gedo Mazo) and Madara's/Nagato's/Tobi's Rinengan!

Also, thank you everyone!

 

[Dark Matter Thief]

I was thinking the same thing about Hashirama creating the Gedo Mazo to counter. That Gedo Mazo that was used in the battle could have been powered by the eight Bijuu that Hashirama had possession of. But then I ask myself, how exactly was Nagato able to summon that shit? :0

Lol I also think that Sasuke will get that stabilized perfect form and help Naruto, who will have his full Bijuu form, to battle Tobi when he revives the Juubi.

 

[Sonin]

but but.. Hiruzen is the strongest shinobi ever because iruka said so ;D. Nah man, great thinking. Not sure if agree 100% on all of it but good +rep

 

[ComeOnPpl]

Its interesting for sure, I think your definately close with the Gedo Mazo as the 1st we saw fighting Sarutobi wasnt anywhere near the level of Madara here. It also ties in with its ability to seal the tailed beasts (As Wood style is used frequently to supress the 9 tails during Naruto's training).

I think the Senju arnt as clean as people like to think, i mean come on!! If Gedo Mazo was created by the 1st then why does it look like a monster? and also who came up with that controversial technique Edo Tensei??? the 2nd!!
I dunno for the good side of the SO6P they sure seem to do some questionable things lol

 

[Necron]

I can easily agree with the part about Hashirama coming up with a counter to Susano.

But the other seems far fetched in my mind.

Edo Tensei pulls a soul from the "dead world" into a sacrifice of a living person.
A clone would not have a soul, and maru would not be able to edo it.

Hashirama and his brother both apologized to the 3rd for causing trouble.

That means that they both were able to restrict themselves from going 100% against the 3rd and imo wanted to be stopped.

Maru also likes to "play" with his prey.... so he was not going for the kill right away - also my opinion, but maru and 3rd spent a lot of time talking proving that maru wasn't just aiming to kill.

A very philosophical question indeed, weather a clone would have a soul or not... U_U In my oppinion, even having the same DNA does not make you the same person, so, I think a clone has a different soul, as in the consept of consiusness... This is extended to my belief in the real world cloned, not just the Narutoverse. Also, identical twins have the exact same DNA, but, does that make them the same individual? No U_U

As, about the rest, and just like I said before, the clone would have a soul of his own. However, if a strong genjutsu, or the very loyalty of Hashirama's clone towards Madara was in play, he would serve his master to death, and even after that. A great example to it is the Wight Zetsu Clones, who seem to put Tobi's (their creator's) life beyond their own. So, if the plan, as stated from Madara was "Portrait as Hashirama for ever", it would make sence for the clone to act like Hashirama would even after death! I hope I helped you see my percpective!

 

[stinkey]

i like the sasuke vs naruto part but not the gedo theory

 

[apple pie of doom]

Just one thing.
If the perfect Susanoo is a rinnegan upgrade...then how in the blazes did Madara use it against Hashirama?
Since he awakaned it just before he died and stuff.

 

[samehadamist]

It is said that Hashirama distributed several Bijuu to the other countries when the shinobi countries were being founded. I'm sure he controlled multiple Bijuu in his fight against Madara in order to defeat him. I speculate that Hashirama got weakened after his fight with Madara and that's why when Oro summoned him he was not so strong

 

[DarkerThenBlack]

i enjoyed the theory about tobi a lot, several things that could be true. Or, that i wish will be true haha

 

[Necron]

Just one thing.
If the perfect Susanoo is a rinnegan upgrade...then how in the blazes did Madara use it against Hashirama?
Since he awakaned it just before he died and stuff.

Hmmm... good thinking...

Then, he propably fought against the Susano-o, and not the perfect form...

That, or I was wrong, and Perfect form is actually an EMS teach... U_U