PUREST form of white privilege available to date!

[Fresco]

I'm glad that you threw out those stats as if they meant something against white privilege. What does the incarceration rate for blacks have to do with what whites can gain simply by existing in society? You may have thrown the others for a loop, but I can see through your deflection. What are the reasons for all of those stats? Why are black men getting double the time a white man gets in jail for the same exact crime and with the same amount of strikes against t.

Lol, their logic is since blacks are supposedly doing the majority of crime, it leads to them getting racially profiled. Though, they have no answer for extra sentencing. I mean the guy pretty much acknowledged racism, but thinks we can solve every racial issue by blanketing it with fighting poverty. I guess we're just focusing so much on race, right?

 

[ZK]

It was a pointless post. We already knew poverty and race intersect at a certain point. We don't need anymore of that, "why do you americans care so much about race", shit.

The history of this country has been heavily affected by race. We fought a civil war over it. It was 50 years ago that blacks fully got the right to vote. It was during the seventies that blacks and whites finally got the right to marry. It was during the 80s and 90s that Reagan and Clinton policies that led to a rise in incarceration rates. Their drug policies disproportionately affected black people. For example, different convictions for different type of crack usage. Also in the 90s, police discrimination was brought to light by the Rodney King situation. There was a problem with predominantly white police forces presiding over predominately black urban area, which led to trust issues and discrimination. Police discrimination came back into light recently due to Ferguson, where a predominantly white police force presided over a predominantly black urban area. The US is still racially segregated, especially in population allocation. Because of segregation (note not de jure), this led to things like mortgage discrimination, which is commonly referred to as redlining. Even though everyone fully got the right to vote 50 years ago, there's still discrimination in some states because of voter-ID laws.

Poverty, of course, is the greatest problem the US faces at the moment, but there is also a racial aspect to everything because our history has been so defined by it. Race is deeply ingrained into our culture, and ignoring the problems that come along with it will not make the problems go away. There's systemic racism throughout our society, whether its in the criminal justice system, the housing market system, or the educational system, and trying to blanket it as a universal problem will not solve our brand of "social issues".

Like, I can't properly explain to you, and its even harder to understand if you don't live in, or understand, the southern US. Just the statement, " You're absolutely obsessed with race", infuriates me because it is so. ****ing. stupid. coming from someone who doesn't understand basic US history.

That's hilarious, but alright; I'll roll with it. If combating poverty and striving for a more egalitarian society won't solve the problem, what will? I mean, if you're a laissez faire capitalist you won't believe these things will help at all, but humor me. No, even better, let me ask you what is it that you want to achieve and how do you want to achieve it? I see the Black Lives Matter movement, I see the social justice movements, I see comments likes yours and all I can think is what do these people want? You tell me that whites are privileged just because of their race. You tell me this 'privilege' is some kind of fugazi booster-pack that society bestows upon them.
All I can do is smack my head against the wall, because, once again, all you focus on is race, as if this us-versus-them rhetoric isn't one of the most poisonous things in the world.
You want to talk about 'white privilege?' Let's talk about history instead. Let's talk about economics. Was there once a system in place that discriminated against blacks - and to a lesser degree against Asians, Irish people and Hispanics? Yes. Does this system exist anymore? No, not in the laws of the United States.

But hey, maybe I just don't understand US history, isn't that right? As if the US was an island with totally unique problems. Ever heard of South Africa? Does Zimbabwe ring a bell? Racist institutions have existed and do exist today. Let me hear you tell a Rumanian man or woman that they're privileged. I'm sure Ceausescu will laugh all the way to Hell. How about the Finns, who clawed their way tooth and nail from nothing to the absolute first-rate nation they have today. How about the Poles, the Moldovans?
You think whites are on top of the world? You think blacks are the first people to come from disadvantaged backgrounds? Ever heard of South Korea, of Botswana? Of China?
Oh, wait, that's not the same is it? Blacks are an ethnicity within a country that faces, according to you, 'systemic racism,' just like the Irish, the Jews and the Finns did.

You think I don't understand US history? I understand that your police forces recruit many of their new officers from ex-military guys who are trained not to solve problems, but to target and neutralize with deadly force. I know your police officers receive very little training compared to other Western nations. How's that for problems that you can do something about instead of just hollering some stuff about racism.

All I see you do is say "there's a problem and it's the white man's fault," as if the whites of today are to blame for what you perceive as their predecessors' sins. You're all so quick to condemn 'white imperialism,' as if it isn't completely historically accurate that when a nation state grows more powerful than its neighbours it almost always dominates them. Hell, the Western empires grew so powerful that when they clashed with each other twice in 30 years they irrevocably changed the world. Also they killed millions of each others' citizens and nearly collapsed.

If you want more blacks in the police force, why not encourage blacks to join? No laws can or will stop you. Diffusion takes time. SA has the same problems, it's just that blacks make up almost 80% of the population. It takes time to educate generations. It takes time to create egalitarian societies. You know what's not going to speed the process up? You trying to deepen the divide with your bullshit rhetoric.

I'm glad that you threw out those stats as if they meant something against white privilege. What does the incarceration rate for blacks have to do with what whites can gain simply by existing in society? You may have thrown the others for a loop, but I can see through your deflection. What are the reasons for all of those stats? Why are black men getting double the time a white man gets in jail for the same exact crime and with the same amount of strikes against them?

Spoiler

You're a fool to not understand that the police institution stems from a racist nature. As KRS-One stated,
"Now here's a little truth, open up your eyes
While you're checking out the boom-bap, check the exercise
Take the word "overseer," like a sample
Repeat it very quickly in a crew, for example
Overseer, overseer, overseer, overseer
Officer, officer, officer, officer
Yeah, officer from overseer
You need a little clarity, check the similarity
The overseer rode around the plantation
The officer is off, patrolling all the nation
The overseer could stop you what you're doing
The officer will pull you over just when he's pursuing
The overseer had the right to get ill
And if you fought back, the overseer had the right to kill
The officer has the right to arrest
And if you fight back they put a hole in your chest
(Woop) They both ride horses
After 400 years, I've got no choices"

[video=youtube;9ZrAYxWPN6c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZrAYxWPN6c[/video]

So once again, what do all of these stats have to do with the privilege of one group in the US? It's like arguing that black privilege doesn't exist by proceeding to list off stats about white incarceration rates. It's nonsensical.

You literally threw a KRS-One song at me. I think I know which one of us is deflecting and it ain't me.

 

[Fresco]

That's hilarious, but alright; I'll roll with it. If combating poverty and striving for a more egalitarian society won't solve the problem, what will? I mean, if you're a laissez faire capitalist you won't believe these things will help at all, but humor me. No, even better, let me ask you what is it that you want to achieve and how do you want to achieve it? I see the Black Lives Matter movement, I see the social justice movements, I see comments likes yours and all I can think is what do these people want? You tell me that whites are privileged just because of their race. You tell me this 'privilege' is some kind of fugazi booster-pack that society bestows upon them.

I think you're confused. @Bold, that's literally what we want to do. I mean, nearly your whole post is a pointless tirade because you made an assumption that we didn't know what we wanted to do. Also, I'm a social democrat, which a good percentage of the democrats in the US today are. I could go on a long rant of how politics has helped maintain this system, but I won't.

BlackLivesMatter and other social justice movements are meant to raise awareness, and by all accounts, blacklivesmatter has raised a lot of awareness to police brutality which has lead to lawmakers across the US making legislation for body-cams. The Civil Rights movement of the 50s and 60s led to multiple laws being passed that are very beneficial today.

You want to talk about 'white privilege?' Let's talk about history instead. Let's talk about economics. Was there once a system in place that discriminated against blacks - and to a lesser degree against Asians, Irish people and Hispanics? Yes. Does this system exist anymore? No, not in the laws of the United States.

There's a fundamental disconnect between what you believe our system to be and what it actually is. There are many laws that disproportionately affect minorities. Laws of today have helped facilitated such a system. I've already mentioned things like redlining which was caused by segregation of population allocation.

But hey, maybe I just don't understand US history, isn't that right? As if the US was an island with totally unique problems. Ever heard of South Africa? Does Zimbabwe ring a bell? Racist institutions have existed and do exist today. Let me hear you tell a Rumanian man or woman that they're privileged. I'm sure Ceausescu will laugh all the way to Hell. How about the Finns, who clawed their way tooth and nail from nothing to the absolute first-rate nation they have today. How about the Poles, the Moldovans?
You think whites are on top of the world? You think blacks are the first people to come from disadvantaged backgrounds? Ever heard of South Korea, of Botswana? Of China?
Oh, wait, that's not the same is it? Blacks are an ethnicity within a country that faces, according to you, 'systemic racism,' just like the Irish, the Jews and the Finns did.

We're talking about the US here, not South Africa or Zimbabwe. No one ever mentioned anything about Poles or Moldovans having privilege. We're talking about privilege in the context of the US.

You think I don't understand US history? I understand that your police forces recruit many of their new officers from ex-military guys who are trained not to solve problems, but to target and neutralize with deadly force. I know your police officers receive very little training compared to other Western nations. How's that for problems that you can do something about instead of just hollering some stuff about racism.

You're assuming that we're not doing anything...

All I see you do is say "there's a problem and it's the white man's fault," as if the whites of today are to blame for what you perceive as their predecessors' sins. You're all so quick to condemn 'white imperialism,' as if it isn't completely historically accurate that when a nation state grows more powerful than its neighbours it almost always dominates them. Hell, the Western empires grew so powerful that when they clashed with each other twice in 30 years they irrevocably changed the world. Also they killed millions of each others' citizens and nearly collapsed.

Again, what does this have to do with anything in relation to the US?

If you want more blacks in the police force, why not encourage blacks to join? No laws can or will stop you. Diffusion takes time. SA has the same problems, it's just that blacks make up almost 80% of the population. It takes time to educate generations. It takes time to create egalitarian societies. You know what's not going to speed the process up? You trying to deepen the divide with your bullshit rhetoric.

I think your post is heavily misguided, if anything. Like, your entire post was made up of strawmen and assumptions. I mean, we're trying to strive for the same thing, but you're heavily underestimating how race plays into anything. Its not that we're trying to create an US-vs-them mentality, its that that mentality has always existed, and still exists today, and we're trying to ultimately remove that mentality by raising awareness about it. People think since black people are raising awareness about said mentality, that they're trying to perpetuate it. Ignoring it will not make it go away. The laws that disproportionately affect minorities will be there. The broken criminal justice system that is stacked unfairly against minorities and poor people in general will still be there. Ultimately, racism will continuously exist if we don't talk about it.

 

[Multiply]

You literally threw a KRS-One song at me. I think I know which one of us is deflecting and it ain't me.

Bruh, you turned a thread about white privilege into black incarceration rates. You're deflecting from the topic at hand.

 

[Sol Ku]

she stole a car, got out danced, got back in the car, cops ran over to her and arrested her.
Where is this privilege? oh you mean the fact that she didn't try to point something at an officers? Didn't run from the officers?
I think at the point of her dancing they knew she was just drunk or ****ed up on something and didn't take her serious.
you're grasping for an argument that isn't here, had she pulled out a gun and they didn't shoot her? Then I'd say she had "white privilege" but the fact is, she got out and was clearly harmless so there was no reason for it.
go the **** back to tumblr kiddo

 

[chopstickchakra]

uhm how about mutha ****in blade walkin down the street with a sword
[video=youtube;QtRgweQxXi8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtRgweQxXi8[/video]

Rubber bullets mutha ****er non lethal because despite what you believe and people like you wanna keep propagating not all police want to kill black people.

Also notice how rough they detained her, as rough as anyone else of any other skin tone who did something like that. It's not like they floated her out of the car and cuffed her with cashmere restraints.

 

[bajram]

If that was a black person, he/she would've been lighted up big time.

as she was pulling down her shirt...nobody didn't even shoot her.

If a black person had done that, cop would say "he/she is reaching.." and light that person up. Come on now. If that's not white privilege then I don't know what the hell that is.

And sir this is why your country is ****ed up...

BOLD.

 

[Ripple Hole]

And sir this is why your country is ****ed up...

BOLD.

lol .
He says it as if he atleast expects her to get shot. XD

 

[wanderingcactus]

So pointing out racism is racist...? I'm not sure I follow you.

Thinking that little thing that is racist is racism. Much like if a white man kicking a black man out because he couldnt pay but insist that its due to him being black.

People always go on on how racist white people are and never say anything about black people.

I got some white friends always try to watch what they say, especially around me because all id have to say is that they were being racist. Whilst my black friends would call out racist remarks to white people in public. Now tell me which isnt racist?

I say both are racist. Say anything youd like, as long as its not in a negative way, it shouldnt be a problem. You dont see black people fighting when they say ***** to each other. In fact, they see it as a neutral word rather than demeaning. "Well its because theyre both black" that reply would deem you as racist if you use that as a reason.

Its like when white people call each other Hicks. Its an insult even to their own kind.

 

[Amazeballs]

White Privilege actually refers to the fact that White people don't have to acknowledge racism, or view themselves as a part of any race; they are free to view whiteness as simply the "norm." Statements from a white person such as, "I don't see race; I just see the human race" are a way of using White Privilege to simply avoid confronting legitimate racial issues.

However, I don't believe that a White woman getting away with a crime, even if a Black person would have been treated far more harshly, is "White Privilege"...her treatment may be related to her being white (arguable), but I believe White Privilege has a specific definition and does not apply to the subject of this thread.

For example, White people in the US are on average more affluent than Black people. That affluence is not "White Privilege." If a White person is hired for a job over a Black person, and the two are essentially equally qualified, the fact that the White person is hired is not "White Privilege." The term simply has a specific definition as it relates to perception of race.

 

[ComplexCity]

That Video was to prove how racist's some blacks are,and here's some black violence
[video=youtube;JY12O-BSvFU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JY12O-BSvFU[/video]

This was a prank video. What a troll now I see why he has a red bar

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

It absolutely boggles my mind that you Americans can seriously mean this kind of stuff. You're absolutely obsessed with race. Every time people of different racial backgrounds interact in any way you people start sniffing for 'racial motivations' and 'racism' like it's going out of style.

Why is it a racial issue? Why not a social issue?
I mean, some of the stuff you say is incredibly misleading. Like, I can't tell you whether blacks and whites commit a similar amount of violent crimes, but what I can tell you is that blacks make up 12.61 of the population where whites make up 72.41 (

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). If they commit an equal amount of violent crimes... you see the problem, right?
Blacks are overrepresented in national crime statistics. Very much so. That's not racism, it's not bias, it's not racial prejudice; it's just fact. Even if half of the crimes committed by blacks were fabrications they would still be overrepresented (

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Now, before you start typing up a whole list of reasons why American police departments are racist and terrible I think we should get a few things out of the way: Do police officers pull over, search, question and otherwise 'target' blacks more than they do whites? Statistics would say yes, yes they do. Are federal prosecutors more likely to push for mandatory minimum when they face black and Latino defendants? Yes, statistics say they are. (

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) Do most police departments patrol black neighbourhoods more than they do white neighbourhoods? Statistics would say yes. Is it weird that the federal courts treat crack cocaine like it's much worse than powdered cocaine? Yes, yes it is (

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Is the police an inherently racist institution? Of course not. Is it a vicious circle that blacks are overrepresented in crime statistics, thus prompting more scrutiny and suspicion from police departments, thus resulting in more arrests, etc? Yes, yes it is. Has the United States had an awkward history with slavery, Jim Crow laws and racial prejudice? Yes, yes it has.

Are the whites of today in any way to blame for the institutions of their ancestors? Of course not. Implying otherwise is really, really retarded. I don't blame the Kingdom of Congo for selling their countrymen to the Portuguese, just as I don't blame the Germans for occupying my country in World War 2. History is history. Bringing it up as a weird kind of social casus belli is an exercise in futility.

Now, white privilege. Are there more poor blacks than whites? Yes, yes there are (

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). Blacks are overrepresented there as well.

So, that begs the simple question; what can we do about it?
How about looking at poverty as a social issue? The debate about race has gotten you nowhere, but there are lot of political programmes that can.

Also, don't use terms like 'multi generational wealth.' Yes, a lot of the richest people in America are white, but multi generational wealth is not a 'white thing.' If it was you wouldn't have the amount of poor whites that you do. Rich people get richer, and those born into rich families will often leave their kids a bigger fortune than they were left by their parents. That's 'multi generational wealth.' It has nothing to do with being white.

Seriously... a debate about privilege. How about actually trying to make a difference for a change?



This is a false claim. It's illegal to pay employees a lower salary based on their sexual orientation, gender or race. You can complain that whites occupy positions that pay more, but I'm not sure where you'll want to go with that. Do we need more blacks in the board of directors?
Huh. Hiring someone because of the colour of their skin. That sure sounds racist.
But that kind of thinking is what led to 'gender quotas' and 'ethnic diversity quotas' in the workplace. As if it isn't completely humiliating for a serious worker to be hired because of their gender or race. As if America needed more focus on race.
Jesus Christ.

Oh, and thanks for the rep

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You don't live in the US I'm assuming, or you would understand why race is an issue. And no, it isn't about having higher paying jobs. Women and Colored People on average have lower salaries for the same jobs. Black people, with names like Laquisha, that whites deem Ghetto are passed over, even if they are perfectly qualified. Everyone in America wants Kylie Jenner Lips that blacks are still mocked for in cartoons. You noted out the systematic racism in law enforcement, but argue that the system is not inherently racist

 

[Rogue Pit]

once you stop looking at the color and look at the person a lot more will become clear.

We find, thieves, rapist, murders, and all the works of pedophiles in EVERY SINGLE RACE.
It comes down to how sick and twisted that individual is.

Stop being stupid, a man punching a woman is wrong. Cops shouldnt fire upon you unless they see a gun. The truth of the matter is they shoot quicker when they are intimidated. Its nerves, and they are mainly scared of black people. Cops need to stop being so scary and need better training handling situations. The war of Drugs unlawful escalation of search and seizures.

Its not that whites are treated better. Whites are treated normal.
Minorities are just treated slightly worse.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Oh boy. The only people that'd come to this conclusion are people living in a race bubble. For this to be his is essentially saying that all police treat blacks more harshly than whites. Yet this somehow doesn't register as stereotyping or generalization. The only way it'd be a "white privilege" is if there's a rule book telling police officers to treat white people better than blacks. Outside of that, it's individuals making individual decisions, even if it's a tendency. I really shouldn't have to explain this.

 

[Insidious Smile]

Show me a video of a black person doing the same shit and walk away from that just like that white chick, do that, then I will admit that I'm wrong.

It's because black people are seen as animals, tree climbing savages that cannot be tamed. What do you do with an animal that cannot be tamed? You put the wild creature down. That's just how it is.

 

[a banned cartoon]

Show me a video of a black person doing the same shit and walk away from that just like that white chick, do that, then I will admit that I'm wrong.

Now I've replied on threads talking about how white privileged exists, and why white pride, or straight pride is stupid. That oppressed peoples have reasons to have pride for who they are though, but with this thread you look stupid, there are plenty of instances where people don't get lit up. You can find a video if you search hard enough of a black person doing this and not getting shot.

That being said, police officers do treat other races differently and need to change the way they operate. They also treat upper, and lower class two different ways. The latter being treated horribly.

Now white people should never feel guilty for white privileges though. They should just acknowledge it, and try to treat everyone equally. I'm white, but I it's not my fault that Americas in the state that it's in. I had nothing to do with it being this way.