pure idiocy for plot sake

[take it easy]

- I don't need to see anything, when I know what bee said: "That Sharingan guy is probably the strongest opponent I have ever fought."

Translation: I don't need manga facts which prove that my fav char lost without pnj on his side.

Just for clarification...how did plot save sasuke from Deidara?
(although everything is plot)

How Sasuke with low chakra receives after the fight could summon Manda and put him under genjutsu in few seconds ? It was one of the biggest pnj moments in manga IMO.

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

Lol. The same can be said for the non dojutsu characters.

Minato could have stabbed obito in the neck when he first fought him but chose to stab him in the abdomen.

Killer bee could have killed taka easily but chose to go bijuu mode so he could be a target for sasuke's amaterasu

Y did sasuke kick bee instead of using css or suigetsu could've just water gunned bee to slow him down better yet drown him like he did jugo? Let's not get into the whole bee debate taka was trolled that's the most impressive bee has been on top of that

I'm not debating whether obito would have beaten minato just pointing out facts
The doujutsu user always in every fight look a nejis death y was everyone else enhanced but not him?

 

[SkyGodHorus]

This is not a fanboy thread nor is it a kishi bash thread.
Neji can see chakra for miles away and has practically xray vision but can't see naruto underground.....

Neji was beaten up, out of chakra, didn't have byakugan active and was sure he had won. That's the magic of shadow clones.

Obito can use mokouton but opted to use chains on some one he knows that can teleport?

How would mokuton help against FTG?

minato looked at his eye but no genjutsu...

Minato is also a Hokage with strong Yin chakra according to the databook while Obito was still a teenager with basic sharingan genjutsu. FTG is was implied implied to have been created to bypass the sharingan's genjutsu and copy jutsu.

Izuna trolled awful can't even express this without cursing lol

No, he just didn't have the means to surpass Tobirama's speed lols. Recall Madara calling him the fastest shinobi who ever lived in his time? Tobirama was the inventor of FTG, Edo Tensei and shadow clones and had fought against and studied the sharingan for years. He even knew more about it than the Uchiha themselves. FTG exceeds the sharingan's speed and the Uchiha's reflexes, Edo tensei was the ultimate military application and shadow clones were the ultimate stealth technique.

kayuga I find it really convenient her eye only reacts to sasuke not sakura naruto kakashi...

Sakura hit her in the base of the skull where her blind spot is. It was the same with Neji vs. Kidomaru. She also had someone with a Rinnegan who could move faster than FTG on her, not to mention a jinchuriki of all the bijuus and a perfect susano'o with giant kamui shuriken lols. How is it trolling when it takes all four main characters, plus a previous antagonist to beat her? Four of which possessed Hagoromo's powers. Lols.

All I'm saying is don't make them so op and likable to just troll them and make them look bad it's terrible writing honestly even though I still enjoyed the series

Don't call something terrible writing unless you have didn't scenarios to compare to it. It's "terrible criticism," lols.

 

[shelke]

Translation: I don't need manga facts which proved that my fav char lost without pnj.

Nah, it's just you being you:

- Deidara: He keeps a certain amount of chakra in reserve to suppress Orochimaru. Deidara assumed he was out of chakra. He isn't a sensor.

- Bee: The first stab was due to Bee's Raiton usage that deflected Sasuke's sword to create an opening. The second attack was because Sasuke had no idea Perfect Jins can break out of Genjutsu. He was still heavily injured from his previous fight, and still he stalemated Bee in Kenjutsu. If it wasn't for Raiton, nothing would have happened.

Amaerastu ended Bee. He got lucky because plot somehow decided that Sasuke shouldn't even keep his Sharingan on to check whether he used Kwarimi or not.

Naruto's win against Pein:

- Deva is already handicapped when the fight starts.
- Uses smoke bombs, Rinnegan cannot see. When the opposite happened when Pa used smoke, Rinnegan saw through it.
- Rinnegan couldn't see Chakra in the dark. Hilarious, when it could see the invisible barrier.
- When Nagato makes CT he decided not to make it bigger. Ingrates.
- Naruto goes into Kurama mode at just the right time when his ***** ass lost poorly.
- Ma summoned an entire platoon so that he could enter SM again.
- Once he turns off his raging emo(tional)-Kurama-mode off he is magically already in SM.
- Once he reverts back, he's hilariously standing outside CT when he was within it.
- Nagato kills himself over Jiraiya's poor fan-fiction.

Even if I combine all the Pnjs of all the characters in the manga, nothing beats the insipid win Naruto had against Pein. It's that loony.

 

[Sugiyama]

Neji's Byakugan wasn't activated after the clash with Naruto...he might have been out of chakra.

kayuga looked down on those she did not deem a threat...thus she purposely ignored them.

Neji's Byakugan wasn't activated because he deactivated it himself, because he thought He already won the fight. He was underestimating Naruto there, which resulted in his loss.


OT: I agree on the fact That Kishi did some characters wrong by the end though.( e.g, The way Neji died, and the way Madara was defeated by BZ)

 

[AlphaScythian]

Kishi is but one person, drawing shit for 15 years is really time consuming.

Nothing ever gonna be perfect.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Naruto is full of PIS...its not worth discussing bout them

 

[Xlad]

This is not a fanboy thread nor is it a kishi bash thread.

Facts are plain and simple kishi made characters with doujutsu overall better. From there powers to their story lines neji sasuke itachi negato Madara obito even kayuga all op as shit but gets nerfed for plot sake.

No evidence supporting that. Lol Unless you bring actual scans, that's just a danked assertion. I could make several with characters that doesn't use doujutsu.

Why make them so cool just to have them trolled by plot in the most pathetic dumb way? Smh

Being cool has absolutely nothing to do with capabilities.
Examples

Neji can see chakra for miles away and has practically xray vision but can't see naruto underground.....

He turned off the Byakugan.

Obito can use mokouton but opted to use chains on some one he knows that can teleport?

Obito's Mokuton is honestly shit. Then there's the fact that he didn't see Hashirama in battle like Madara, so of course.

minato looked at his eye but no genjutsu...

Sharingan Genjutsu often gets wanked to no ends. Madara's clone for instant, pulled Ei close to him and used genjutsu. Itachi also overwhelm Naruto in genjutsu using his emotions (regrets, friends scolding him, etc.). Formidable opponents by default can avoid genjutsu. Deidara was not in Sharingan Genjutsu until he got beaten down.

Izuna trolled awful can't even express this without cursing lol

Or he simply can't do shit.

kayuga I find it really convenient her eye only reacts to sasuke not sakura naruto kakashi...

Since when?

All I'm saying is don't make them so op and likable to just troll them and make them look bad it's terrible writing honestly even though I still enjoyed the series

You honestly need to rethink what the hell you just posted. Lol

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Naruto is full of PIS...its not worth discussing bout them

Right, and One Piece is a regular Lord of the Rings. Lols.

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

Neji was none of what u stated stop reaching maybe he had it deactivated and was arrogant but....... if he was fooled by shadow clone that means the judges to. Sooooooo naruto still lost. Plot made them not call the match the round before they seen someone layed out they called it did they not? Lee is the only exception

That's not the blind spot stop the falsifying and I was referring to her rinnegan

Mokouton spear means added distance in his striking range aka no grabbing which is better for timing example we have the same arm length but I have a sword extended who makes contact first?

Oh izuna only uses swords has no sasunoo nor any special ability at all **** outta here

Oro deidara itachi danzo sasuke ay gaara oonoki all fall for genjutsu stop making up non sense
Same guy had a jin in genjutsu the kyubi and caught kakashi in genjutsu yeah man I know a fanboy when I see a fanboy skygodhorus

 

[Sage konohamaru]

Didn't read.but Hashirama > ebisu.

 

[The8thGateBeast]

The problem I see is people tend to have a fav and when they don't get the screen time fap boys start crying. Also remember when Shisui got his eye taken by danzo in the kakashi filler LoL fanboys were crying and shit, do everyone a favor and cry to your mommy instead.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Right, and One Piece is a regular Lord of the Rings. Lols.

One Piece was never a serious manga like Naruto. One Piece is full of comedy and parody. Naruto was supposed to be a serious manga with global peace and shit.

Even then OP has more deep emotional and dramatic moments than Naruto.

Jiraiya's death is the only thing that was touching...

 

[Ansatsuken]

OP=LOTR, really?

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

No evidence supporting that. Lol Unless you bring actual scans, that's just a danked assertion. I could make several with characters that doesn't use doujutsu.

Being cool has absolutely nothing to do with capabilities.
Examples

He turned off the Byakugan.

Obito's Mokuton is honestly shit. Then there's the fact that he didn't see Hashirama in battle like Madara, so of course.

Sharingan Genjutsu often gets wanked to no ends. Madara's clone for instant, pulled Ei close to him and used genjutsu. Itachi also overwhelm Naruto in genjutsu using his emotions (regrets, friends scolding him, etc.). Formidable opponents by default can avoid genjutsu. Deidara was not in Sharingan Genjutsu until he got beaten down.

Or he simply can't do shit.

Since when?

You honestly need to rethink what the hell you just posted. Lol

Show an instance sharingan genjutsu fails... if not for plot alot of characters die in a split second

Being cool has to do with how they are trolled by plot cool calculated characters get out of being who hey are initially

Read the manga

Don't worry about my opinion on good writing I'm a screen writer and know exactly what I'm talking about. One can Enjoy bad writing we like crappie movies all the time

Oh u must be kishimoto lol y u so defensive

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

Didn't read.but Hashirama > ebisu.

Genma over Hashirama any day

 

[Xlad]

Show an instant sharingan genjutsu fails... if not for plot alot of characters die in a split second

Being cool has to do with how they are trolled by plot cool calculated characters get out of being who hey are initially

No it doesn't. That is just a feeling you get from what they do. I go by what characters do, not how badass they are when it comes to these matters. If you have evidence that goes along with this statement, then show and tell me.

Read the manga

What exactly are you talking about?

Don't worry about my opinion on good writing I'm a screen writer and know exactly what I'm talking about. One can Enjoy bad writing we like crappie movies all the time

Really? You are a screen writer?
What the hell? Lol Never said you should enjoy the series. You need to bring up valid evidence and scenarios that actually contradict each other in a sense. From your thread, all I honestly got was a bunch of dojutsu wank.

Oh u must be kishimoto lol y u so defensive

Never said I was. I read, reread this thread over and over. I also try to remember and look where you even got these claims from.

If you give me evidence and reasonable logic, then I will see what the hell you are talking about.

 

[sandman20]

One Piece was never a serious manga like Naruto. One Piece is full of comedy and parody. Naruto was supposed to be a serious manga with global peace and shit.

Even then OP has more deep emotional and dramatic moments than Naruto.

Jiraiya's death is the only thing that was touching...

Sorry, but what? One Piece is a parody??? Of what exactly? You also contradicted yourself when you said OP is a parody even though it has more deep emotional and dramatic moments than Naruto :| I'm sorry, but a parody isn't supposed to have dramatic and emotional moments. It's supposed to make fun of something popular and I'm pretty sure in 1998 pirates weren't popular Lol and Naruto was meant to be only a serious manga!?! Bruh, you're bias is showing because that is straight up ****ing lie! XD

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Sorry, but what? One Piece is a parody??? Of what exactly? You also contradicted yourself when you said OP is a parody even though it has more deep emotional and dramatic moments than Naruto :| I'm sorry, but a parody isn't supposed to have dramatic and emotional moments. It's supposed to make fun of something popular and I'm pretty sure in 1998 pirates weren't popular Lol and Naruto was meant to be only a serious manga!?! Bruh, you're bias is showing because that is straight up ****ing lie! XD

Parody of pirates? Luffy and co don't act like pirates, do they?

Whatever, I don't wish to create OP vs Naruto debate, otherwise mod will lock this thread

 

[take it easy]

- Deidara: He keeps a certain amount of chakra in reserve to suppress Orochimaru. Deidara assumed he was out of chakra. He isn't a sensor.

He barely could walk after fight that means he had very low chakra reserves.

- Bee: The first stab was due to Bee's Raiton usage that deflected Sasuke's sword to create an opening. The second attack was because Sasuke had no idea Perfect Jins can break out of Genjutsu. He was still heavily injured from his previous fight, and still he stalemated Bee in Kenjutsu. If it wasn't for Raiton, nothing would have happened.

1. He beat Sasuke with his first attack. Deal with it.

2. How these knowledge would help him against Bee?

3. It was his own mistake that he hasn't fully recovered after his previous fight

Amaerastu ended Bee. He got lucky because plot somehow decided that Sasuke shouldn't even keep his Sharingan on to check whether he used Kwarimi or not.

Sasuke said himself that lolaterasu working only like diversion

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Naruto's win against Pein:
- Deva is already handicapped when the fight starts.

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- Uses smoke bombs, Rinnegan cannot see. When the opposite happened when Pa used smoke, Rinnegan saw through it.
Legit pnj
- Rinnegan couldn't see Chakra in the dark. Hilarious, when it could see the invisible barrier.
Rinnegan can't see senjutsu chakra
- When Nagato makes CT he decided not to make it bigger. Ingrates.
Legit pnj
- Naruto goes into Kurama mode at just the right time when his ***** ass lost poorly.
legit pnj
- Ma summoned an entire platoon so that he could enter SM again.
It was a plan if you mean clones summoning
- Once he turns off his raging emo(tional)-Kurama-mode off he is magically already inside SM. Legit pnj
- Once he reverts back, he's hilariously standing outside CT when he was within it. Kurama espaped from CT earlier
- Nagato kills himself over Jiraiya's poor fan-fiction. Naruto could kill Nagato easily