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Alright lets get down to business.
Tell me everything you know about puppetry. More specifically, I want you to tell me how you think it works, known strengths and weaknesses, and really anything else you can come up with: origin, users etc.
Tell me everything you know about puppetry. More specifically, I want you to tell me how you think it works, known strengths and weaknesses, and really anything else you can come up with: origin, users etc.
Puppets are created by puppeteers (obv). They originate from Sunagakure as far as i'm aware of. Sasori in particular was a person of interest in this profession. As his puppetry skills were well known and respected. I know puppets are controlled with chakra strings. Puppets have multiple purposes, the main one being combat. They can store multiple objects and materials essential for combat - Such as needles, poision, daggers, and are even able to be detach body limbs (and parts) for offensive and supplementary causes. Wether is is available for every puppet is unkown to me however.
I'm not entirely aware of the weaknesses, however because they are made of a materil which has been shown to be broken by heavy blows. Like Hiruko (Sasori's defensive puppet) was broken by Sakura's enhanced taijutsu. I do however, believe that custom puppets can be made with a better defense. Further more, while not necessarily being a puppet's weakness, close range combat is a puppeteers weakness, most of the time anyways. Because their fighting style is a rather ranged one, in which their hands are pre-occupied controlling the puppets at field.
Puppeteers can achieve from controlling a simple puppet with a string, to turning their entire body into a puppet itself. Like Sasori was show doing. Or even creating puppets of people they have killed while retaining the ability to use the person's KG, in special cases.
I'm not entirely aware of the weaknesses, however because they are made of a materil which has been shown to be broken by heavy blows. Like Hiruko (Sasori's defensive puppet) was broken by Sakura's enhanced taijutsu. I do however, believe that custom puppets can be made with a better defense. Further more, while not necessarily being a puppet's weakness, close range combat is a puppeteers weakness, most of the time anyways. Because their fighting style is a rather ranged one, in which their hands are pre-occupied controlling the puppets at field.
Puppeteers can achieve from controlling a simple puppet with a string, to turning their entire body into a puppet itself. Like Sasori was show doing. Or even creating puppets of people they have killed while retaining the ability to use the person's KG, in special cases.
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Apologies for the late reply ;-;
I'll try to keep this as short as possible while making sure you get all the necessary information.
For the most part your information is right aside from some minor specifics about the history of it all which really isn't as important at this stage. If you want to learn about it, you can always look it up yourself but for this training it's not really necessary.
Touching on strengths and weaknesses, puppeteers are generally geared towards mid-long range fighting, so its really ideal for fighting taijutsu users with methods of not being able to get close, with poison needles, bombs etc. I personally believe that a puppeteer is also quite formiddable against primary genjutsu users, such as those in the Kurama clan because of the range limitations. Essentially in our RP genjutsu is almost always limited to mid range whereas you fighting in long range will give you the advantage over that.
Weaknesses are as you said: strong blows which the puppet should be able to withstand anything up to its rank in terms of taijutsu unless the puppet specifies otherwise in Salamander's case or has enhanced Taijutsu like Sakura. Other weaknesses are really very few things, but mostly anything small enough to be able to get into the puppet themselves and stop them from working from the inside. Aburame bugs, Iron Sand etc are all really good at this, so you might want to watch out for them, especially Aburame which eat your chakra or something idk I haven't actually seen an aburame user in a long time.
A puppeteer uses strings to control the puppets, and the strength of the puppeteer is generally gauged by how many puppets one can control at a time. Though for the sake of our RP that limit is three puppets. The limit is set on the techniques themselves, and not the actual number of puppets; Sasori's Parents, 100 Puppet Army all count as single puppets even if they can be summoned seperately in the case of the former.
Speaking of that limit, there are general rules that every puppeteer must follow, not really for the sake of being overpowered or anything but without them you can overwhelm your opponent really easily:
So that's about it, I usually only touch down on puppetry basics so unless you want more on Sasori specifics, now would be a good time to ask.
I'll try to keep this as short as possible while making sure you get all the necessary information.
For the most part your information is right aside from some minor specifics about the history of it all which really isn't as important at this stage. If you want to learn about it, you can always look it up yourself but for this training it's not really necessary.
Touching on strengths and weaknesses, puppeteers are generally geared towards mid-long range fighting, so its really ideal for fighting taijutsu users with methods of not being able to get close, with poison needles, bombs etc. I personally believe that a puppeteer is also quite formiddable against primary genjutsu users, such as those in the Kurama clan because of the range limitations. Essentially in our RP genjutsu is almost always limited to mid range whereas you fighting in long range will give you the advantage over that.
Weaknesses are as you said: strong blows which the puppet should be able to withstand anything up to its rank in terms of taijutsu unless the puppet specifies otherwise in Salamander's case or has enhanced Taijutsu like Sakura. Other weaknesses are really very few things, but mostly anything small enough to be able to get into the puppet themselves and stop them from working from the inside. Aburame bugs, Iron Sand etc are all really good at this, so you might want to watch out for them, especially Aburame which eat your chakra or something idk I haven't actually seen an aburame user in a long time.
A puppeteer uses strings to control the puppets, and the strength of the puppeteer is generally gauged by how many puppets one can control at a time. Though for the sake of our RP that limit is three puppets. The limit is set on the techniques themselves, and not the actual number of puppets; Sasori's Parents, 100 Puppet Army all count as single puppets even if they can be summoned seperately in the case of the former.
Speaking of that limit, there are general rules that every puppeteer must follow, not really for the sake of being overpowered or anything but without them you can overwhelm your opponent really easily:
- A maximum of two puppet summons are allowed in one turn
- Shadow Clones can't be performed as a puppeteer
So that's about it, I usually only touch down on puppetry basics so unless you want more on Sasori specifics, now would be a good time to ask.
Everything is understood. I just have some minor questions, which may be seen as silly, however it's best to be well informed and leave doubts of the way. First, chakra strings have been shown in the anime and manga, however most of the time they arent visible, so are they visible or not ? regarding the eye of the opponent. Or does it depend on the will of making them visible by the user if so they want?
Number two, how strong are the chakra strings, could a regular sword slash cut them with ease? I'm guessing yes, but.
Regarding puppets themselves, is it possible for puppets to perform techniques if they are created with the ability to do so? I remember 3 of Chiyo's puppets fixed handseals at some point to use a vacuum-like technique to drag and seal a large faction of Sasori's puppet army.
About Sasori's Third Kazekage puppet, do I need to actually train in iron sand before using it with the puppet? Or do I get it auto aslong as it's restricted to the third ?
Number two, how strong are the chakra strings, could a regular sword slash cut them with ease? I'm guessing yes, but.
Regarding puppets themselves, is it possible for puppets to perform techniques if they are created with the ability to do so? I remember 3 of Chiyo's puppets fixed handseals at some point to use a vacuum-like technique to drag and seal a large faction of Sasori's puppet army.
About Sasori's Third Kazekage puppet, do I need to actually train in iron sand before using it with the puppet? Or do I get it auto aslong as it's restricted to the third ?
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Those are good questions actually, much better than what other students seem to ask about. 
Chakra strings are not invisible completely, but are fine enough to the point where they can be treated as invisible. Of course, abilities which can see chakra like Sharingan and Byakugan can see them clearly, but unless the person has a good sense of vision or is really close, its safe to say they can't see them.
Swords and the like can cut chakra strings easily; Omoi was shown cutting some of Sasori's threads using his Cloud Kenjutsu or whatever its called. Though by doing that you can just as easily reconnect the threads so its not so much a problem.
Puppets themselves can perform techniques if stated in the description that they are capable of performing them, but most of the time the techniques have to be built into the puppet itself. Sasori has a technique which allows him to do that using the fire launcher built inside of him which is always nice. But mostly techniques can be performed by puppets if it has the capability of performing it, which really should be stated in the technique. Chiyo's technique iirc was a fuuinjutsu which sucks in like a vacuum, not a Wind technique. Honestly this is a very fine section and hard to replicate techniques with puppets since they don't have their own chakra flow like Sasori does. Human puppets should be able to do it if the technique doesn't belong to it's KG and has the ability built into it (a water technique using water boosters etc.) but regular puppets shouldn't be capable of doing so.
Yes, you do need training in Iron Sand as it is an ability which comes with the Sasori bio. However attaining your own human puppets with KG you get all the training the bio has at the time of killing and stealing it. Killing a Lava user with B-Rank in that element will only give you up to B-Rank when using that puppet.
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(Kugutsu No Jutsu) - Puppetry Technique
Rank: D
Type: Attack/Defense/Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 10(-4 each turn its used after wards)
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user makes threads of chakra that are used to control puppets.
This is the first technique we learn before anything else for obvious reasons. I don't really see a point in asking you to perform it since it is quite simple and straightforward. Channeling chakra to the tips of your fingers, you stretch them out to connect to the puppet which allows you to control them. Instead of asking you to perform said actions, I want you to explain the technique to me in the best way possible. It's not much, just try to explain other ways you can use it aside from the obvious controlling puppets.
Chakra strings are not invisible completely, but are fine enough to the point where they can be treated as invisible. Of course, abilities which can see chakra like Sharingan and Byakugan can see them clearly, but unless the person has a good sense of vision or is really close, its safe to say they can't see them.
Swords and the like can cut chakra strings easily; Omoi was shown cutting some of Sasori's threads using his Cloud Kenjutsu or whatever its called. Though by doing that you can just as easily reconnect the threads so its not so much a problem.
Puppets themselves can perform techniques if stated in the description that they are capable of performing them, but most of the time the techniques have to be built into the puppet itself. Sasori has a technique which allows him to do that using the fire launcher built inside of him which is always nice. But mostly techniques can be performed by puppets if it has the capability of performing it, which really should be stated in the technique. Chiyo's technique iirc was a fuuinjutsu which sucks in like a vacuum, not a Wind technique. Honestly this is a very fine section and hard to replicate techniques with puppets since they don't have their own chakra flow like Sasori does. Human puppets should be able to do it if the technique doesn't belong to it's KG and has the ability built into it (a water technique using water boosters etc.) but regular puppets shouldn't be capable of doing so.
Yes, you do need training in Iron Sand as it is an ability which comes with the Sasori bio. However attaining your own human puppets with KG you get all the training the bio has at the time of killing and stealing it. Killing a Lava user with B-Rank in that element will only give you up to B-Rank when using that puppet.
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(Kugutsu No Jutsu) - Puppetry Technique
Rank: D
Type: Attack/Defense/Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 10(-4 each turn its used after wards)
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user makes threads of chakra that are used to control puppets.
This is the first technique we learn before anything else for obvious reasons. I don't really see a point in asking you to perform it since it is quite simple and straightforward. Channeling chakra to the tips of your fingers, you stretch them out to connect to the puppet which allows you to control them. Instead of asking you to perform said actions, I want you to explain the technique to me in the best way possible. It's not much, just try to explain other ways you can use it aside from the obvious controlling puppets.
Forgive my continuous questioning. But, if I were to kill and create a human puppet of a biography with Fuinjutsu. Would I be able to use Fuinjutsu with that biography as well? Or even a bio with one of the 7NB Swords (I'm guessing no, since these swords fall under custom, but yeah) and/or any other similiar abilities, such as leg weights, etc.
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As far as my understanding. Chakra strings are based on highly concentrated chakra. I believe that not only is it for controlling puppets. But using these strings as extra 'limbs' for the user. As they can fetch objects and/or change their trajection. Going as far as being used to hurl a kunai torwards a person, either by picking it up or stopping it in it's tracks and throwing it back at the opponent - via the strings of course. Not only these, but Kankuro used a chakra string to make Naruto miss-step and fall down (lol). The former examples tell us that the chakra string concept goes far more than simple puppet control. Regarding puppets, most puppeteers can control at most, a few puppets (2-3). However, experienced users, have shown to be able to manipulate 1 puppet per finger for each hand, while others designed ways of controlling up to 1000 (sasori < 3) Sadly in our RP, it was nerfed down to 100.
A small question regarding this technique: You previously mentioned that free-form puppetry can be used up to some extent. Now, Sasori was shown manipulating a string to fetch a puppet scroll that was fixed onto his back. Saving himself the need to do this manually.
My question is, can I do that without the need of posting a technique (freeform) or does that fall under this technique (or any other puppetry one) ?
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As far as my understanding. Chakra strings are based on highly concentrated chakra. I believe that not only is it for controlling puppets. But using these strings as extra 'limbs' for the user. As they can fetch objects and/or change their trajection. Going as far as being used to hurl a kunai torwards a person, either by picking it up or stopping it in it's tracks and throwing it back at the opponent - via the strings of course. Not only these, but Kankuro used a chakra string to make Naruto miss-step and fall down (lol). The former examples tell us that the chakra string concept goes far more than simple puppet control. Regarding puppets, most puppeteers can control at most, a few puppets (2-3). However, experienced users, have shown to be able to manipulate 1 puppet per finger for each hand, while others designed ways of controlling up to 1000 (sasori < 3) Sadly in our RP, it was nerfed down to 100.
A small question regarding this technique: You previously mentioned that free-form puppetry can be used up to some extent. Now, Sasori was shown manipulating a string to fetch a puppet scroll that was fixed onto his back. Saving himself the need to do this manually.
My question is, can I do that without the need of posting a technique (freeform) or does that fall under this technique (or any other puppetry one) ?
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There's only a few abilities which can be created into a human puppet, Fuinjutsu, leg weights etc. can't be a part of the puppet's abilities. However you can incorporate Fuinjutsu into the puppet itself (granted you have it yourself) and use it as a weapon. Aside from that, things like that I honestly don't see a purpose of putting leg weights on a puppet aside from weighing it down so you can't move it so freely.
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You're pretty much spot on with how one can use the technique, just be careful with how you go about using the technique on other people, since that's the biggest worry with forcing someone to go against their will. It's not something I'd advise but just something to keep in mind. Unless the person is giving up their will to you, either like the time Sakura and Chiyo fought using the strings on the former, or a dead body, I wouldn't even try.
As for the last part, yes you can perform freeform with the strings in that manner so long as the threads are already active. Say you have no puppets out with strings connected; you'd need to use a technique for that, but afterwards it wouldn't be needed.
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So basically I generally split up puppets into three different groups: offensive, defensive and supplementary, similar to jutsu typing here. In other words, you'll have puppets built around an offensive tactic which you'll find in Crow, a defensive version like Salamander, and a supplementary type like Black Ant. Three puppets aiming to work together in their own specific way, Salamander sitting back defending the user from any sort of close combat with it's powerful shield, Black Ant who's goal is to really capture the target and Crow who has most of the basic attacks within it.
It's simple, and I wanted to keep this shorter for now since it's been a while since I posted (my bad lol) but it's pretty simple. There's not much else I can really teach you about the puppets themselves but it's a nice thing to keep in mind the basic abilities if you ever decide to go on and make your own customs.
But with that I'll talk about freeform for a moment. In the essence of puppetry, one of the strongest points in my opinion is the ability to engage in a close-combat situation without necessarily having to put yourself into close quarters. I'm sure you understand the concept of Taijutsu quite frivolously, but I still think it's something that should be covered. Puppets can have different structures, weight, limbs, etc. all to accomodate a totally different fighting style. Basically what I want from you is an example using the three basic puppets to show off a freeform puppetry attack on this random dummy.
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You're pretty much spot on with how one can use the technique, just be careful with how you go about using the technique on other people, since that's the biggest worry with forcing someone to go against their will. It's not something I'd advise but just something to keep in mind. Unless the person is giving up their will to you, either like the time Sakura and Chiyo fought using the strings on the former, or a dead body, I wouldn't even try.
As for the last part, yes you can perform freeform with the strings in that manner so long as the threads are already active. Say you have no puppets out with strings connected; you'd need to use a technique for that, but afterwards it wouldn't be needed.
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(Karasu) Crow
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: N/A
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points: N/A
Description: Crow is the very first puppet we see in the series. It was created by Sasori, but is later used by Kankurou. Crow is a three eyed, four armed humanoid. Crow is one of the more basic puppets, but he is able to detach any of its body parts for deadly attacks, almost every joint having a blade at the end, allowing Crow to shoot his arms towards the opponent, and then have them return back to it. Even his head has a blade that can be extended out from the bottom of its neck when detached. This ability made it and Black Ant a very deadly combination. It also has the ability, like most puppets do, to release poison-tipped darts and smokescreens, which sometimes have poisonous gas mixed with them.
Note: Can only be used by a Suna puppet user
(Kuroari) Black Ant
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: N/A
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points: N/A
Description: Black Ant, created by Sasori, is a puppet that is often used in conjunction with Crow and, later on, Salamander. It has a bucket-shaped face with two red horns and a total of six arms. It, like Crow, has three eyes. Its body resembles a very large barrel, and it is hollow on the inside, making its main use to be that of trapping, while weapons enter the many slots on its body. At any time, Black Ant can literally open its stomach, and trap an opponent, able to extend the two halves of its stomach so that it stretches out and over the opponent from a very fair distance (approximately mid range) and then retracts the stomach back to its original form, closing it with the opponent inside. Its arm segments contain hidden saw-blades. Like Crow, Black Ant can detach its arms for attacks.
Note: Can only be used by a Suna puppet user
(Sanshōuo) Salamander
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: N/A
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points: N/A
Description: Salamander is a defensive puppet, though not on the level of defense as that of Hiruko. Salamander, as its name suggests, is built in the form of a large salamander, being one of the largest puppets seen thus far, and though it is not more powerful defensively than Hiruko, it is larger than the other puppet. Salamander is able to rise up a large area on its back to be used as a shield, making a black shield over its head. It, like some other puppets, is hollow, and it can open its back at any time and then rise up its large tail over its head, stretching it out and therefore allowing the puppet user to jump inside of it for protection. Salamander can also spew out fire equal to C rank. Salamander can only be destroyed by one who knows its weak spots, being a weak joint on its side that holds the shield in place and afterwards simply striking it on its back, or by a move of A rank or higher.
Note: Can only be used by a Suna puppet user
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: N/A
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points: N/A
Description: Crow is the very first puppet we see in the series. It was created by Sasori, but is later used by Kankurou. Crow is a three eyed, four armed humanoid. Crow is one of the more basic puppets, but he is able to detach any of its body parts for deadly attacks, almost every joint having a blade at the end, allowing Crow to shoot his arms towards the opponent, and then have them return back to it. Even his head has a blade that can be extended out from the bottom of its neck when detached. This ability made it and Black Ant a very deadly combination. It also has the ability, like most puppets do, to release poison-tipped darts and smokescreens, which sometimes have poisonous gas mixed with them.
Note: Can only be used by a Suna puppet user
(Kuroari) Black Ant
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: N/A
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points: N/A
Description: Black Ant, created by Sasori, is a puppet that is often used in conjunction with Crow and, later on, Salamander. It has a bucket-shaped face with two red horns and a total of six arms. It, like Crow, has three eyes. Its body resembles a very large barrel, and it is hollow on the inside, making its main use to be that of trapping, while weapons enter the many slots on its body. At any time, Black Ant can literally open its stomach, and trap an opponent, able to extend the two halves of its stomach so that it stretches out and over the opponent from a very fair distance (approximately mid range) and then retracts the stomach back to its original form, closing it with the opponent inside. Its arm segments contain hidden saw-blades. Like Crow, Black Ant can detach its arms for attacks.
Note: Can only be used by a Suna puppet user
(Sanshōuo) Salamander
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: N/A
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points: N/A
Description: Salamander is a defensive puppet, though not on the level of defense as that of Hiruko. Salamander, as its name suggests, is built in the form of a large salamander, being one of the largest puppets seen thus far, and though it is not more powerful defensively than Hiruko, it is larger than the other puppet. Salamander is able to rise up a large area on its back to be used as a shield, making a black shield over its head. It, like some other puppets, is hollow, and it can open its back at any time and then rise up its large tail over its head, stretching it out and therefore allowing the puppet user to jump inside of it for protection. Salamander can also spew out fire equal to C rank. Salamander can only be destroyed by one who knows its weak spots, being a weak joint on its side that holds the shield in place and afterwards simply striking it on its back, or by a move of A rank or higher.
Note: Can only be used by a Suna puppet user
It's simple, and I wanted to keep this shorter for now since it's been a while since I posted (my bad lol) but it's pretty simple. There's not much else I can really teach you about the puppets themselves but it's a nice thing to keep in mind the basic abilities if you ever decide to go on and make your own customs.
But with that I'll talk about freeform for a moment. In the essence of puppetry, one of the strongest points in my opinion is the ability to engage in a close-combat situation without necessarily having to put yourself into close quarters. I'm sure you understand the concept of Taijutsu quite frivolously, but I still think it's something that should be covered. Puppets can have different structures, weight, limbs, etc. all to accomodate a totally different fighting style. Basically what I want from you is an example using the three basic puppets to show off a freeform puppetry attack on this random dummy.
Yeah, I wasn't really thinking when I asked about leg weights on a puppet. x.x
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After summoning Crow, Black Ant, and Salamander to the field. Taking control over them with chakra strings I do the necessary movement and have them approach the dummy from 3 diferent directions yet keeping a decent distance among each other. Crow would immediately release a poison influenced smokescreen after reaching the dummy left's side. At this point, in perfect timing, where and idea of the dummy's location is still secure, Kuroari who would be possitioned behind the dummy should open it's stomach and hurl forward, causing the dummy to be tossed into it's stomach. A real person would be caught by surprise due to their lack of vision tormented by the smokescreen. The stomach however, would remain open to allow Salamander [who is possitioned directly infront of the dummy] to release an intense stream of flames into Kuroari's stomach and burn the dummy.
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After summoning Crow, Black Ant, and Salamander to the field. Taking control over them with chakra strings I do the necessary movement and have them approach the dummy from 3 diferent directions yet keeping a decent distance among each other. Crow would immediately release a poison influenced smokescreen after reaching the dummy left's side. At this point, in perfect timing, where and idea of the dummy's location is still secure, Kuroari who would be possitioned behind the dummy should open it's stomach and hurl forward, causing the dummy to be tossed into it's stomach. A real person would be caught by surprise due to their lack of vision tormented by the smokescreen. The stomach however, would remain open to allow Salamander [who is possitioned directly infront of the dummy] to release an intense stream of flames into Kuroari's stomach and burn the dummy.