PS cant Lava RS!
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The Demon Hawk
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Juubidamas are composed of natural energy which is not the same as Senjutsu. Only Senjutsu can harm Godoudamas. Madara's Susanoo can't negate Juubidama, so of course it'll have to take the force. Not Godoudama though.
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Kaguya can create chakra punches of any size she wants.
LMFAO. xd How stupid can you be? The amount of chakra she has totally doesn't matter. Only the amount of chakra put into the attack matters. And Kaguya put only as much chakra in her attack to counter Naruto's chakra arms and slightly overpower them. Lucky for Naruto...
Chakra punches have nothing to do with the number of hands you have.
All is irrelevant. Her arms don't matter because her punches are made of chakra.
Dude, you've no idea what you're talking about. Fail argument totally.
Thanks for your lame and false input.
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Did you actually compare PS' defense ... to a damned tree, that was being cut apart by blunt objects? Yeah, okay.
In both the cases wings are gone and the shape is changed. That’s it. PS cannot move faster than Sasuke’s own reaction. PS is a ninjutsu, it means, the chakra has to flow through Sasuke strengthen it. Heck, Sasuke filled his Susanoo chakra with Senjutsu to make it a Senjutsu Susanoo – Senjutsu wasn’t encased under it:
PS’s defense cannot be increased without the Chakra not flowing through Sasuke himself - as it’s his Ninjutsu, and only he has the power to increase its effects - and PS barely working as a container. So, it wasn't 1) bigger, 2) stronger and 3) faster. The fact that entire areas of this construct are hollow, empty and devoid of Susano'o plating renders this argument null and void.
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It is PS. All Sasuke did was reuse the wing area and create a Mezo like, humanoid construct. It wasn't more powerful than a PS. Nothing indicates it and nothing supports it:
He used his PS as a Mezo – a container – to house the Chakra to power his offensive Ninjutsu. That’s it. Without proof, you are only preaching it to your own choir when the manga 1) doesn’t say anything about adding more power here and 2) only the container reference is made.
As for the so-called “he changed the structure so it must be uber powerful”, then here comes that wings reference:
Madara using the wing structure to create extra room to form a shield over Kurama:
This is exactly what Sasuke did to shield BM:
Sasuke’s PS reshaped into a Mezo container. Large parts of it are literally hollow. You can see the chakra peeking from behind the – heck, it doesn’t even have an arm under than a small portion of the frontal plating. Even its face is almost bare. It’s back above the waist line has no plating at all:
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When the PS above doesn’t even have a bodkin sized hole. It’s completely plated with 100% structure.
BM Shield:
Sasuke’s PS literally shown blanketing Naruto’s BSM avatar. There was no fusion going on, and the dialogue “it’s the same as Madara” further cements my argument:
Not even a tiny part of it is peeking out.
As for the so-called “he changed the structure so it must be uber powerful”, then here comes that wings reference:
Your evidence is nothing more than hearsay on your part when we have seen Madara use the same spare structure that can create Wings to change PS’s shape. Sasuke used those same spare wings structure to create a different container structure, as the wings are missing from this body; in fact, it literally has no back above its waist-line (that area is completely naked):
Madara using the wing structure to create extra room to form a shield over Kurama:
The structure that can be changed into wings on PS – the block like pattern – Those same large blocky arms on the back are turned into wings:
Since 100% Kurama is twice the size of Naruto’s BM avatar, even its face couldn’t be completely concealed:
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Since 100% Kurama is twice the size of Naruto’s BM avatar, even its face couldn’t be completely concealed:
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This is exactly what Sasuke did to shield BM:
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Sasuke’s PS reshaped into a Mezo container. Large parts of it are literally hollow. You can see the chakra peeking from behind the – heck, it doesn’t even have an arm under than a small portion of the frontal plating. Even its face is almost bare. It’s back above the waist line has no plating at all:
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When the PS above doesn’t even have a bodkin sized hole. It’s completely plated with 100% structure.
BM Shield:
Sasuke’s PS literally shown blanketing Naruto’s BSM avatar. There was no fusion going on, and the dialogue “it’s the same as Madara” further cements my argument:
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Not even a tiny part of it is peeking out.
Madara:
Sasuke:
1 – The same shoulder covers.
2 – The same blocky arms either turned into wings, or expanded to shield others.
Madara and Sasuke don’t have infinite chakra to squander. There is no level above PS. The same winged blocky space is reinvented to suit shapes. Sasuke’s Bijuu container literally has no back, hollow arms, exposed face and no wings. What does that mean? Shouldn’t be that hard for anyone to figure out after this evidence.
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1 – The same shoulder covers.
2 – The same blocky arms either turned into wings, or expanded to shield others.
Madara and Sasuke don’t have infinite chakra to squander. There is no level above PS. The same winged blocky space is reinvented to suit shapes. Sasuke’s Bijuu container literally has no back, hollow arms, exposed face and no wings. What does that mean? Shouldn’t be that hard for anyone to figure out after this evidence.
In both the cases wings are gone and the shape is changed. That’s it. PS cannot move faster than Sasuke’s own reaction. PS is a ninjutsu, it means, the chakra has to flow through Sasuke strengthen it. Heck, Sasuke filled his Susanoo chakra with Senjutsu to make it a Senjutsu Susanoo – Senjutsu wasn’t encased under it:
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PS’s defense cannot be increased without the Chakra not flowing through Sasuke himself - as it’s his Ninjutsu, and only he has the power to increase its effects - and PS barely working as a container. So, it wasn't 1) bigger, 2) stronger and 3) faster. The fact that entire areas of this construct are hollow, empty and devoid of Susano'o plating renders this argument null and void.
It's hilarious how I was the first man to talk about this on this forum, and back then, Gai and Naruto wankers lost their shit. Literally pointed their empty heads towards that measly little Rasangan and a mere sword doing a number to JJs, but to no avail. This idea is still going strong though, haha.
You actually think TSBs have any form of defense whatsoever? I don't even ...
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Naruto directly states that Natural Energy is what has an impact on the Juubi Jin. Chakra wasn't a factor, but it does influence the destructive power of the attack when combined with Natural Energy.
But either way, Juubito's Juubidama contained both Rikudou Chakra + Natural Energy seeing as how his Juubidamas were created using his Rikudou Senjutsu Chakra.
^ Apparently Shelke. Apparently .... :lol
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The Shinju is big, but nothing says that it's particularly durable... samurai chakra blades easily sliced it, as did Hiruzen's blunt staff. Notably, the the explosion from LRS didn't even cut Madara in half, despite severing the entire tree. On the other hand, Sasuke's lightning sword easily sliced Madara cleanly in half. Does that make Sasuke's regular lightning sword more powerful than LRS? Of course not... but likewise, it's pointless to conclude that LRS's destructive power eclipses the durability of PS simply because LRS destroyed the much larger Shinju. The Shinju simply has different properties.
In fact, the heat from the LRS played a role in cutting (burning) through the Shinju.
In fact, the heat from the LRS played a role in cutting (burning) through the Shinju.
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Natural energy was what made the difference. Of course, chakra was a factor. Because Senjutsu attacks can harm Juubi Jins, which is chakra + NE.
Kurama said to Naruto that you can't sense the Juubi's negative intentions because it is basically all made up of all natural energy around you. If it had Rikodou chakra, then it could be sensed. So no.
If Obito didn't have Rikudou Chakra, then he wouldn't have Rikudou Senjutsu.
But this is something I wanted to add:
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Implying the Juubi actually has Chakra.Naruto said:
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Hinata confirms that Obito's the Juubi Jin due to his Chakra received from absorbing the Juubi.
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Naruto sensed the Bijuu's Chakra being absorbed by Obito, so the Juubi certainly does have Chakra.
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How does Minato compare Juubidara's Rikudou Power to Juubito's if the Juubi didn't have Chakra to begin with? It obviously did or else he wouldn't have been able to compare the amount of Juubi Chakra Madara had relative to the amount Obito had.
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Obviously the Juubi has chakra. It just all happens to be Senjutsu chakra. It's perpetually in a "Sage Mode" state, except it creates its own Natural Energy rather than drawing from the environment.
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Rikodou Senjutsu is basically like "Juubi Mode". So yes, in that sense, it had chakra, but that was essentially natural energy, not Rikodou chakra or Senjutsu which are needed to harm Godoudamas. If it combined with another chakra, then it would unleash Rikodou Senjutsu.
That never refuted my examples.
The Chakra was visible through sensing or Dojutsu which doesn't enable one to sense it's Natural Energy. Therefore, it did have Rikudou Chakra.
Natural Energy is in no way shape or form Chakra. It only forms a new chakra when it's molded with someone else's Chakra.
The Chakra was visible through sensing or Dojutsu which doesn't enable one to sense it's Natural Energy. Therefore, it did have Rikudou Chakra.
Natural Energy is in no way shape or form Chakra. It only forms a new chakra when it's molded with someone else's Chakra.
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Okay -_-
But your earlier post implicitly stated it.
Madara was juubi jin so ofcourse he could get attach with his lower body.Why would he need to regrow his lower body when he could just simply reattach his lower body?
That's where you are wrong.Juubito was completely bisected by Naruto and Sasuke's Kyuubi and PS combination but he managed to reattach his body again.
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If he was able to regenerate his lower body again so how could he not able to attach his lower body again?
I have already shown you that naruto's lava FRS bisected madara completely but madara's healing abilities healed him after that just like juubito's body was bisected by Naruto and Sasuke but he attached his lower body again quickly.
Or do you think that PS and kurama's Sword attack didn't bisect him completely?
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okay
PS is extremely durable but it cant tank those chakra arms.
In a given scan, Naruto completely tanked those arms.
Where does it state that chakra arms against RSM Naruto was 15 times inferior to the chakra arms which she used against sasuke?
Your mind gives you an indication?
Infact,Kaguya used both of her arms to make Chakra arms against Naruto whereas she had only one arm to make chakra arms against sasuke but she still managed to destroy PS completely.
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You are comparing a durability of a single and small branch of God Tree with the entire God Tree?
are you kidding me?
4th Raikage was able to break ribcage susanoo so that means PS is not durable as Ribcage susanoo wasn't able to tank 4th raikage's punches which are not even stronger than Tsunade?
Stage 1 Juubi was able to nuke the SA and it tank the attacks of more than 100000 shinobis which PS can't do.
If Stage 1 Juubi was more durable than PS then how can the final form of PS isn't more durable than PS?
tell me where does that range came from?
Of course it came from PS's big size.
PS is bigger than Level 4 Susanoo that's why PS is much more durable and powerful than it.
You should have to use your mind properly.
Normally Greater Range comes from Greater power.In rare cases,Greater range comes from even a normal power level.
Hashirama's mokuton is not more durable than God Tree.In fact, Hashirama's mokuton powers itself came from God Tree.
It is the same thing but God tree's powers are completely on different level.
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PS sword cut the hands of Mokuton jutsu of Hashirama
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After TBB explosion, Hashirama's wood golem jutsu and 2 wood dragons were completely destroyed and Madara had to stabilize his PS to protect himself from the explosion.
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God Tree is not offensive at all ?
I think i am done with you.I can't teach you about this manga.
Greater durability comes from greater size.Get your facts straight.
Ribcage susanoo which is small can't tank more jutsus than the level 4 susanoo or PS.Its because their sizes are different.
Hashirama's Shinsuusenju was bigger thats why it was stronger.
I have already debunked this statement.
It was non-canon.Movies cannot be canon.If its canon then why don't you accept that Hinata still has hamura chakra?
Movie was not logically right.Kurama was fighting outside of naruto's body and you are calling it logical?
Senjutsu comes from Natural energy so your point that NE can't damage TSBs are completely invalid.
Although juubidamas were created by juubito who had RSM and Rinnegan so your point is still invalid.
PS wasn't able to tank juubidamas while TSBs completely tanked it.
