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Perfect Susanoo is a pinnacle technique of the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. One of Susanoo's primary functions is to act as an armor for an entity that the user wishes to protect besides their Tengu.
  • When Sasuke was enraged, his Tengu's form was being wrapped around with more armor. [
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  • Madara's Tengu used the same wrapping process when forming "Complete Susanoo. [1]
  • Sasuke used the same process again when covering Kurama. [
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What you's saying would maybe, just maybe, only make sense if Madara was Kurama's jinchuriki. But he isn't. He only used the same wrapping process to cover Kurama with Complete Susanoo armor. This feat demonstrates Madara's talent to manipulate the Susanoo chakra form on a separate entity.

Not only that, the Uchiha Clan Sharingan KKG represent the Japanese deities (Amaterasu, Susanoo, Izanami, Izanagi, Tsukiyomi, MIKOTO, etc). Kurama assisting a Uchiha with a Mangekyou Sharingan technique makes no sense to the intended cultural lore since the tailed beast is a separate reference to Kitsune and is not a Japanese deity.

So yes...EMS Madara can and did use Complete Susanoo by himself. Kurama being responsible for PS is a complete fanfiction and a result of the atrocious misinterpretation.

I thought it was already bad when readers keep saying that EMS Sasuke can't use Perfect Susanoo. NOW I'm seeing posts saying that EMS Madara can't use it.
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Xlad said:
Perfect Susanoo is a pinnacle technique of the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. One of Susanoo's primary functions is to act as an armor for an entity that the user wishes to protect besides their Tengu.
  • When Sasuke was enraged, his Tengu's form was being wrapped around with more armor. [
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  • Madara's Tengu used the same wrapping process when forming "Complete Susanoo. [1]
  • Sasuke used the same process again when covering Kurama. [
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What you's saying would maybe, just maybe, only make sense if Madara was Kurama's jinchuriki. But he isn't. He only used the same wrapping process to cover Kurama with Complete Susanoo armor. This feat demonstrates Madara's talent to manipulate the Susanoo chakra form on a separate entity.

Not only that, the Uchiha Clan Sharingan KKG represent the Japanese deities (Amaterasu, Susanoo, Izanami, Izanagi, Tsukiyomi, MIKOTO, etc). Kurama assisting a Uchiha with a Mangekyou Sharingan technique makes no sense to the intended cultural lore since the tailed beast is a separate reference to Kitsune and is not a Japanese deity.

So yes...EMS Madara can and did use Complete Susanoo by himself. Kurama being responsible for PS is a complete fanfiction and a result of the atrocious misinterpretation.

I thought it was already bad when readers keep saying that EMS Sasuke can't use Perfect Susanoo. NOW I'm seeing posts saying that EMS Madara can't use it.
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Your argument boils down to it not making sense lore-wise and the armor being a result of PS, but the first is pretty irrelevant and the second is not rooted in fact. Chronologically speaking, the armoring of Kurama has always preceded the user using a standalone PS, so the armoring of Kurama isn't a clear-cut PS feat. It's as questionable as them having PS because it falls victims to the same problem.

It's clear that Kurama affects their Susanoos when you consider that PS is, 1., humanoid and, 2., incredibly smooth. When Madara and Sasuke merged with Kurama, the end result was neither.
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It's not even as though Madara had to conform to Kurama's shape given that he had the control over Kurama to make him stand on twos.
Then, even if Kurama doesn't affect their Susanoos, their ability to armor it simply doesn't mean they have PS. It's proven that simply warping Susanoo's armor doesn't entail knowing PS because a user can have multiple variants of Susanoo before they unlock PS.

This is what it looks like when a confirmed user of PS combines with Kurama.
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Smooth and humanoid.
 
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Your argument boils down to it not making sense lore-wise and the armor being a result of PS, but the first is pretty irrelevant and the second is not rooted in fact. Chronologically speaking, the armoring of Kurama has always preceded the user using a standalone PS, so the armoring of Kurama isn't a clear-cut PS feat. It's as questionable as them having PS because it falls victims to the same problem.

It's clear that Kurama affects their Susanoos when you consider that PS is, 1., humanoid and, 2., incredibly smooth. When Madara and Sasuke merged with Kurama, the end result was neither.
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It's not even as though Madara had to conform to Kurama's shape given that he had the control over Kurama to make him stand on twos.
Then, even if Kurama doesn't affect their Susanoos, their ability to armor it simply doesn't mean they have PS. It's proven that simply warping Susanoo's armor doesn't entail knowing PS because a user can have multiple variants of Susanoo before they unlock PS.

This is what it looks like when a confirmed user of PS combines with Kurama.
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Smooth and humanoid.
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First and most importantly, you’re wrong regardless of what you say.

Second, you’re wrong as hell. The second pic you posted isn’t even the PS. It’s actually the biju powered Susanoo that teen Sasuke used only after learning how to channel biju chakra into his Susanoo. Kurama has nothing to do with that shape, it would take that using any large amount of chakra as a catalyst.

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The first picture you post is confirmed PS wrapped around Kurama, the second one is an entirely new Susanoo form. You’re a joke lol
 
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Nomu said:
First and most importantly, you’re wrong regardless of what you say.

Second, you’re wrong as hell. The second pic you posted isn’t even the PS. It’s actually the biju powered Susanoo that teen Sasuke used only after learning how to channel biju chakra into his Susanoo. Kurama has nothing to do with that shape, it would take that using any large amount of chakra as a catalyst.

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The first picture you post is confirmed PS wrapped around Kurama, the second one is an entirely new Susanoo form. You’re a joke lol
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yadda yadda, give me proof that madara's susanoo had legs when he fought hashirama, then i'll refer to you again.
 
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣...thats childish funny pointless kestion but here'z ur answer anyway :

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see madara ps can play football and kick sakura and throw her to teh moon..
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sakura is too fast to be kicked by madara, besides you didn't have the context. i was referring to when he had kurama.
 
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In what world is Kurama going to assist Madara in making or progressing the stages of Susano’o? It requires MORE chakra to expand the armor around the tailed beast and the beast that requires your chakra to summon does not replenish or add to your chakra at all. So it’s not assisting at all, it’s doing the opposite of that.

Way to go dumbass.
 
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Rikudou Tobi said:
In what world is Kurama going to assist Madara in making or progressing the stages of Susano’o? It requires MORE chakra to expand the armor around the tailed beast and the beast that requires your chakra to summon does not replenish or add to your chakra at all. So it’s not assisting at all, it’s doing the opposite of that.

Way to go dumbass.
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Explain why Perfect Susanoo is smooth while Kurama's armor isn't then. Kurama clearly affects the armor, and, even if it doesn't, creating the armor doesn't mean the creator can also create Perfect Susanoo. Just think about what you're saying a bit. What I want you to do is math.

People say that Madara slicing mountains while connected to Kurama is proof that he has PS, but I want you to look at it a different way. If Madara + Kurama simply destroys mountains with its swords and little more with those swords, this would mean that it's, BY FEATS, on the level of Madara's PS. Question time, does Madara's PS + Kurama = Madara's PS? No, it doesn't, and thus it doesn't make sense for EMS Madara to have PS.

Also related is a similar scenario, most people claim that Madara's PS(the PS we saw, not the fanfic Juubi PS) is stronger than Sasuke's PS AND hold the belief that EMS Madara had PS. These beliefs are once again exposed by simple math. If Madara's PS > Sasuke's PS, and Sasuke's PS > Hashirama, then Madara's PS + Kurama should also be > Hashirama. YET it wasn't. Don't even try to lie to yourself, if I made a vs thread of Sasuke's PS vs Hashirama there probably wouldn't be a single vote for Hashirama, so why does Madara's PS lose? Because EMS Madara doesn't have it, and, if he does, it's SIGNIFICANTLY weaker than what we saw Edo Madara create. Likely incapable of slashing mountains.
 
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