Proof SM Jiraya is stronger than Itachi

[History]

Lol, sure is Itachi fanboy in here

says the nagato fanboy

 

[November]

Lol, sure is Itachi fanboy in here

Lol, sure is Itachi hater in here

 

[Bogard]

I start with Amaterasu.
You used killerbee as an example when he got away from the tentical that sasuke cut off saving karin also he may have info on this tech but he doesnt know how it works and you cannot use a sub when you are already caught with this tech jiraiya has never went up against an attack like amaterasu he seen it as black flames nothing more so he wouldnt be so on the egde about the speed but that it burns pretty much anyhting you mention that scroll like it would help in a fight also who to says he last long enough to get sm also itachi could use amaterasu on his frogs.

Killer-Bee is still the one who used kawarimi to escape, i don't see why Jiraya can't do the same. Also, even without knowledge, Jiraya was able

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(notice the "!") when Itachi wanted to use it. Concerning the scrolls, they will be usefull since if he knows he is going to fight someone like Itachi, already knowing the jutsu, he could prepare himself with scrolls before or during the fight. Like i also mentioned it's possible to attack the user at the moment he uses amaterasu exactly like Killer-Bee did, and Jiraya has the arsenal to do so

Susanoo
swamp world wouldnt do anything since susanoo is naturally stationary also you said putting him and the toad mouth trap he need to stay in one spot direct open for totsuska also ma & pa soung genjutsu is dodgeable that why jiraiya needed a tunneled area to use this also they can float to the top of thiere susanoo

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I don't know what you mean by Yomi numa useless because Susanoo is stationary. In the contrary it's the fact that Susanoo is stationary that makes it even easier to capture his user since the user is evens slower when he uses Susanoo. If he is already caught by the jutsu, i don't see how he will even be able to jump like you say and the summoning jutsu Orochimaru used is even larger than a normal Susanoo when the jutsu used by Jiraya at that moment was weaker than usual

 

[PretaPath]

Lol, sure is Itachi hater in here

I'm not a hater i'm just intelligent enough to understand Itachi is not invincible and that Jiraiya > Itachi.
How retarded do you have to be to believe Kisame would defeat Jman with mid diff?
Pretty ****ing retarded if you want my opinion.

 

[November]

I'm not a hater i'm just intelligent enough to understand Itachi is not invincible and that Jiraiya > Itachi.
How retarded do you have to be to believe Kisame would defeat Jman with mid diff?
Pretty ****ing retarded if you want my opinion.

are you telling me you're intelligent? this made me lol. the intelligent one never tells others that he/she is smart or clever but only some stupid guys always act like they're smart

 

[Llsssss]

Killer-Bee is still the one who used kawarimi to escape, i don't see why Jiraya can't do the same. Also, even without knowledge, Jiraya was able

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(notice the "!") when Itachi wanted to use it. Concerning the scrolls, they will be usefull since if he knows he is going to fight someone like Itachi, already knowing the jutsu, he could prepare himself with scrolls before or during the fight. Like i also mentioned it's possible to attack the user at the moment he uses amaterasu exactly like Killer-Bee did, and Jiraya has the arsenal to do so

I don't know what you mean by Yomi numa useless because Susanoo is stationary. In the contrary it's the fact that Susanoo is stationary that makes it even easier to capture his user since the user is evens slower when he uses Susanoo. If he is already caught by the jutsu, i don't see how he will even be able to jump like you say and the summoning jutsu Orochimaru used is even larger than a normal Susanoo when the jutsu used by Jiraya at that moment was weaker than usual

Because killerbee was able to get out sasuke attack means jiraiya can also if sasuke wouldnt have cut that tentical killerbee would have been dead.

As you say jiraiya is on his toes why would he attack itachi so fast when he doesnt no what the attack is not only that his finger genjutsu would own jiraiya in base you put the genjutsu argument mainly in sm back on subject killerbee attacked itachi so fast because nagato yelled amaterasu killerbee already knew what that attacks was and is faster than jiraya yet still coundnt stop him from using it jiraiya didnt sense that how pathetic he heard a boom as you say notice he notice his attack has been broke/gotten out of witch he thought was impossible like i said using the toad mouth trap will cause him to get hit with amaterasu or totsuka i dont even know what you did for the susanoo argument what you typed i should say also we seen jiraiya needs a little prep time to use sound genjutsu by this time itachi already has him in those frogs in amaterasu also what if itachi charges him with just a susanoo ribcage

 

[Bogard]

Because killerbee was able to get out sasuke attack means jiraiya can also if sasuke wouldnt have cut that tentical killerbee would have been dead.

What stops Killer-Bee from cuting his own tentacle and escaping with kawarimi? So no, Killer-Bee could have still escaped if he wanted. It's just that Sasuke did it faster

As you say jiraiya is on his toes why would he attack itachi so fast when he doesnt no what the attack is not only that his finger genjutsu would own jiraiya in base you put the genjutsu argument mainly in sm

If you didn't read my thread i say it again i'm comparing SM Jiraya to itachi. Do you understand now? Anyway you're overrating that finger genjutsu. Jiraya is not an inexperimented child like Naruto. He even broke Itachi's Sharingan genjutsu in base in part1, so i find it funny that you think it would work against Jiraya

back on subject killerbee attacked itachi so fast because nagato yelled amaterasu killerbee already knew what that attacks was and is faster than jiraya yet still coundnt stop him from using it

Are you joking? If Nagato didn't interven at that moment, there would have been a great hole in Itachi's head because of Killer-Bee's sword. Btw, SM Jiraya is faster than Killer-Bee and also has sensing abilities thanks to sennin chakra, so do Pa and Ma

jiraiya didnt sense that how pathetic he heard a boom as you say notice he notice his attack has been broke/gotten out of witch he thought was impossible

It's not how i read it. For me it's as if when Itachi was about to cast Amaterasu, he sensed the pressure of the jutsu. This pressure exist and it's mentioned by Nagato as well

like i said using the toad mouth trap will cause him to get hit with amaterasu or totsuka i dont even know what you did for the susanoo argument what you typed i should say also we seen jiraiya needs a little prep time to use sound genjutsu by this time itachi already has him in those frogs in amaterasu also what if itachi charges him with just a susanoo ribcage

Where does this stupid idea that Jiraya can't move when he uses toad mouth trap come from. He can move and even control it at will

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So you're wrong again. Amaterasu or totsuka is not coming.

Btw you still didn't counter the sound jutsu. How does Itachi counter that? Like Yomi Numa as well

 

[Itachi8179]

If you feel better about this you can think jiraiya > itachi but you cant change others minds.....

 

[Bogard]

If you feel better about this you can think jiraiya > itachi but you cant change others minds.....

I'm not forcing everyone to agree with me, just trying to discuss calmly about it. If people agree with me, i'm fine, if not it's still fine for me. The most important is just to debate calmly with good arguments. I can change some minds like i can change my mind as well. That's why this section exists

 

[hatake89]

Well when the anime itself has said that Itachi can go toe to toe with Jiraiya... what's all the fuss about??

It has been clearly mentioned that Itachi = Jiraiya

Well technically it stated by Itachi himself Jiraiya> Itachi and Kisame but we all know that's not true. I'd say Itachi mid to high diff. He'd start out with MS knowing he's going against a sannin

 

[Llsssss]

What stops Killer-Bee from cuting his own tentacle and escaping with kawarimi? So no, Killer-Bee could have still escaped if he wanted. It's just that Sasuke did it faster

Your bringing up this as if jiraiya posses such a feat what if he aims for jiraiya face also what could killerbee cut his tentical off with his hand?

If you didn't read my thread i say it again i'm comparing SM Jiraya to itachi. Do you understand now? Anyway you're overrating that finger genjutsu. Jiraya is not an inexperimented child like Naruto. He even broke Itachi's Sharingan genjutsu in base in part1, so i find it funny that you think it would work against Jiraya

Broke itachi's genjutsu when they never even fought also orochimaru who is much smarter than jiraiya feel for a low level genjutsu in was defeated in 10 seconds in the fact that you made jiraiya in sm should tell you who the clear winner is

Are you joking? If Nagato didn't interven at that moment, there would have been a great hole in Itachi's head because of Killer-Bee's sword. Btw, SM Jiraya is faster than Killer-Bee and also has sensing abilities thanks to sennin chakra, so do Pa and Ma

Faster than killerbee what a joke killerbee was quicker than sasuke who speed is the same as kakashi's in the databook who is faster than jiraiya.

It's not how i read it. For me it's as if when Itachi was about to cast Amaterasu, he sensed the pressure of the jutsu. This pressure exist and it's mentioned by Nagato as well

sense the pressure that was KA

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This is when he used amaterasu

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nagato sensing abilities is pretty off also jiraiya wouldnt know what it coming feeling the pressure or not and he would have no way to block it.

Where does this stupid idea that Jiraya can't move when he uses toad mouth trap come from. He can move and even control it at will

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So you're wrong again. Amaterasu or totsuka is not coming.

Btw you still didn't counter the sound jutsu. How does Itachi counter that? Like Yomi Numa as well

Where the idea

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Totsoka need i say more also i see why you put him in sm so genjutsu wouldnt effect him so much you should have gave itachi KA then also even with this handicap itachi wins he just uses amaterasu on them he cannot counter sound genjutsu once your caught

 

[Anduril]

Naruto manga chapter 144 page number 8.

That particular scene in the anime is where kisame says that perhaps Itachi could go toe to toe with the legendary sanin but that he was doubtful about himself. And Itachi replies that if he had to fight jiraiya he would probably die fighting.

 

[Llsssss]

Naruto manga chapter 144 page number 8.

That particular scene in the anime is where kisame says that perhaps Itachi could go toe to toe with the legendary sanin but that he was doubtful about himself. And Itachi replies that if he had to fight jiraiya he would probably die fighting.

It wasit forsure that he was talking about jiraiya also amaterasu feats shows that jiraiya would have been no match for him at the time

 

[dirklyn]

If its a fight to death then Itachi wins

 

[zesto]

ok

 

[Steinbiz]

Well since my previous thread was closed, i decided to recreate the thread with some little modifications because it seems that some Itachi fans don't agree with me concerning Tsukuyomi especially

In this thread i'm comparing SM Jiraya to Itachi. To compare them i'll try my best to show you effectiv counters that SM Jiraya would have against Itachi and what makes me believe he would defeat him if there was a fight between them. Hope you enjoy reading

How SM Jiraya counters Itachi's genjutsus:

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In SM, Jiraya has Pa and Ma on his shoulders all the time, which means that the use of genjutsu will be useless since they could just disturb his chakra like the partner method works. In this case, only Tsukuyomi could be a problem since it takes effect in an instant, but personally i believe that the fact that Jiraya continuously receive sennin mode chakra makes the use of even tsukuyomi useless against him:

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For those who don't believe in what i said, there is still counters for Tsukuyomi that Jiraya can use like using

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for example. Jiraya has a large chakra pool, so using Kage Bunshins as a bet is not a problem for him. He even already has

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by seeing Itachi using it on Sasuke and

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caused by the genjutsu in question, so he would obviously be more cautious if he were to fight Itachi if he wasn't already(he must obviously have great knowledge on Sharingan judging by his experience and the fact he was able to easily dispel Itachi's Sharingan genjutsu on

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).

People always fail to realise that genjutsu(in particularly tsukuyomi) isn't automatic. A direct eye contact is needed for genjutsu and even when this direct eye contact happens, Itachi still has to concentrate the chakra necessary for the genjutsu rapidely and cast the genjutsu at that exact same moment. Furthermore, tsukuyomi is a MS jutsu, so Itachi has to activate MS to even begin to think about using tsukuyomi. Itachi can't cast tsukuyomi with Sharingan let alone without it. If Jiraya notices that Itachi turned his Sharingan into MS, again, he would be more cautious. Also, tsukuyomi is even described in the databook as a

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, so if Jiraya uses long range attacks and fight carefully, i don't see why he would be trapped by tsukuyomi

How Jiraya counters Amaterasu:

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Jman already has

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. So he would be really cautious if he were to fight Itachi. Contrary to the popular belief, amaterasu is a

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that appears instantly withing a certain range, and from there begins

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the target(it's the reason why eventhough it almost appeared on Raikage, he had time to shunshin out of the way) and

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depending on where the user focuses. What i mean by that is that if a target is outside the range of amaterasu, it would be easier for him to notice it and therefore counter it with something in his arsenal. Sasuke for example was able

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during a while and use a

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to counter the jutsu. Killer-Bee also used a subtitution when he had no knowledge on the jutsu, and with knowledge he has shown that it was even able

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before he uses Amaterasu(which shows btw that Amaterasu needs some time of concentration to be released).

Jman with his superior speed/taijutsu and sensing abilities could do the same if not better. Jiraya who even already has knowledge on the jutsu, also has natural counters for this like

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(burning a KB is useless). Even without knowledge in part1, he directly created a counter for it in an instant with a

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In Sage Mode, he even has sensing abilities, and we've seen that a sensor like Nagato could

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by noticing the pressure. Therefore, he can attack the user before he even uses it like Killer-Bee did. Since Itachi needs some concentration at that moment like we see on the same pic, Jiraya could take advantage of this like Bee did, and Itachi could be killed by

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for example, or even

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or by this:

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How does Jiraya counter Susanoo:

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Gaara helped us to know that

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. Well, Jiraya has a perfect counter for this with

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(Jiraya even said it was

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). It would totally make sink Itachi in this position with or without his Susanoo

If they are fighting in an enclosed area, Jiraya could capture him(Susanoo or not) in

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like he already did in part1. He can also create an opening to capture him in the

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like he did against Pain

Sasuke made us understand

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because of sound vibration. Well, Pa and Ma have

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(able to paralyse Pain summons). With this jutsu, it would be easy for SM Jiraya to paralyse Itachi and finish him either with his

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or

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or even something else in his arsenal.

We also know thanks to Kabuto, that

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, so Pa and Ma use this and he is done for:

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These are the reasons why i believe SM Jiraya has all what it takes to defeat Itachi

This is what I've been saying on this website for years.
-Ma and Pa cancel Tsukuyomi or any genjutsu instantly
-Jiraiya can sense Amaterasu before it even happens like Nagato did
-Swamp of the Underworld pws Susano'o