Proof current Kakashi is stronger than alive Itachi(Explanation inside)

[narutokage99]

Great thread, i'm agree that current Kakashi has great chance to beat Itachi.
About suiton i'm pretty sure they're equal because they can 100% copy each suiton technique easily.
You forgot an other suiton jutsu from Itachi

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[Bogard]

Great thread, i'm agree that current Kakashi has great chance to beat Itachi.
About suiton i'm pretty sure they're equal because they can 100% copy each suiton technique easily.
You forgot an other suiton jutsu from Itachi

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I think it was Kabuto dreaming in Izanami, Itachi didn't used that jutsu actually

 

[KILLER BE EZ]

great post! i agree! +reps

 

[dirklyn]

Itachi wins, we never saw itachi in a real fight that he ran outta jutsu's, he always had something up his sleeve. Fyi Obito was greatly afraid of itachi.

 

[Sea Of Thy Soul]

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[NoMoreLove]

In part kakkashi was able to beat him bcoz he was not real Itachi and he can't use Mangekyosharingan at that time.So your argument has no validity.

THANK YOU ^ ! .. Itachi only had 30% of his Chakra in that thing . not to mention that he had Naruto with him -____-

i didn't read it all BTW, so you're basing your whole argument on kamui.

Again! THANK YOU.

1: Itachi doesn't have KA since he gave it to naruto when he was alive. Besides that he had already programmed it with the command protect konoha so it would be useless.
2: Kakashi knows who he is and accepts himself so Izanami is pointless.
3: Only Tsukoyomi is unavoidable. Everything else is avoidable like it was shown in team 7 vs itachi in early part 2 chapter 260

What the hell do you mean Izanami is pointless? Do you even understand the Jutsu? The point of this Jutsu is to make someone do something to get out of it. Izanami is a trap, you're put in this trap and the only way out of it is to do whatever it is that the caster wanted you to do.

I think it was Kabuto dreaming in Izanami, Itachi didn't used that jutsu actually

.....................Wtf. Its part of the Jutsu, Itachi USED Izanami and kabuto was left mindless. Everything Kabuto saw was inside his brain but in fact Itachi used izanami and was in the physical world with sasuke.

Itachi wins, we never saw itachi in a real fight that he ran outta jutsu's, he always had something up his sleeve. Fyi Obito was greatly afraid of itachi.

THIS !!! ^

 

[NoMoreLove]

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Ily ... Thank you for pointing this out.

 

[BlackBison]

You have some stuff confused about their battle in part 2

1.Itachi was just testing them but they were seriously trying to kill him

2. that was not the real Itachi but a weaker clone of him

3. Without naruto what he did would have been futile
also kakashi admitted that he would need naruto's help to face Itachi
this means Kakashi consideres Itachi to be stronger than him

Also you seem to forget that during the whole obito fight kakashi was not moving but was using kamui. This delayed the effects becoming apparant to us due to the fact that while standing still, we would not see that his movements are sluggish and his reflexes goes down the drain temporarily.

Also I doubt kakashi would use kamui because if he misses then he dies and in all likely of cases he would miss. Itachi's reflexes are to good and his speed is to high.

p.s. it does not matter the quantity of justus but the quality and usage of said jutsus. You also forgot that Itachi could cast genjustu with 1 finger and he has crow illusions and summoning.

 

[Kurama2012]

i agree i think kakashi does have what it takes to beat itachi as they both aint stamina freaks they both seem to have roughly the same amount of chakra also they both have a great amount of knowledge about each other and they know how dangerous the other is i would love to see a proper fight between these two

 

[Kurama2012]

Itachi wins, we never saw itachi in a real fight that he ran outta jutsu's, he always had something up his sleeve. Fyi Obito was greatly afraid of itachi.

where does it state that obito was afraid of itachi

 

[Omnipotent]

Kakashi wouldn't win. Give him some more time to get OP.

 

[Bogard]

.....................Wtf. Its part of the Jutsu, Itachi USED Izanami and kabuto was left mindless. Everything Kabuto saw was inside his brain but in fact Itachi used izanami and was in the physical world with sasuke.

Not saying Itachi didn't cast Izanami, no he actually did it, but what i'm saying is that Kabuto was in a genjutsu, and in a genjutsu you can do what you want. Itachi didn't actually used that water style in that jutsu, it's only what he believed to be true

1.Itachi was just testing them but they were seriously trying to kill him

You miss the point. That part was just to prove that Kakashi can keep up with him, what he did

3. Without naruto what he did would have been futile
also kakashi admitted that he would need naruto's help to face Itachi
this means Kakashi consideres Itachi to be stronger than him

Sure but we are comparing 2kakashis here. Kakashi is vastly superior to the one who fought Itachi early shippuden

Also you seem to forget that during the whole obito fight kakashi was not moving but was using kamui.

We did saw him using kamui while moving at high speed in mid air to warp his own raiton kunai to save Naruto and continue to fight regardless

Also I doubt kakashi would use kamui because if he misses then he dies and in all likely of cases he would miss.

Not really. Even in early shippuden he didn't die from one kamui but ended in hospital. That's not even the case anymore unless we are reading different mangas. Like i've stated in OP, current Kakashi seems to be able to handle MS techniques even better than Itachi

Itachi's reflexes are to good and his speed is to high.

- He has no knowledge on kamui to even begin to try to dodge the jutsu
- It's an instant jutsu. Even someone as fast as Itachi is just not fast enough to dodge except if he already used a Kage Bunshin to switch before

p.s. it does not matter the quantity of justus but the quality and usage of said jutsus. You also forgot that Itachi could cast genjustu with 1 finger and he has crow illusions and summoning.

It work both ways since both are skilfull jutsu user like i've stated in OP. Finger genjutsu is not working against a Sharingan user especially on Kakashi's level who even has MS, same goes for crow illusions. Only thing that could work is tsukuyomi. Kakashi can also use summons who are even better in a fight with their sense of smell

i agree i think kakashi does have what it takes to beat itachi as they both aint stamina freaks they both seem to have roughly the same amount of chakra also they both have a great amount of knowledge about each other and they know how dangerous the other is i would love to see a proper fight between these two

Thanks for agreeing

 

[kakashi of the sharingan1]

100 percent agreed

 

[shelke]

- Kakashi can't win against Tsukiyomi at all. As only the person as the same blood as him can defeat it or break it:

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. He can easily kill Kakashi with this alone. So he's not resisting or finding any counter to anything as you suggested.

- He's not finding a way around Yata mirror, and Sharingen can detect chakra behind solid objects as well, as shown by Sasuke in his fight against Kabuto, so any underground attacks working against Itachi is not happening and he's not finding a way around his sussano.

- Kakashi's raw speed is no where near Raikage's, so he isn't dodging Amatersu which goes exactly wherever the eye is focused.

- Kakashi's kamui is not instant, only the warp point is. If that was the case then he would've had done something with at least a part of Mezo's head, before Obito outsmarting him at that point. So Kamui being the answer to everything is you using your usual logic.

- Kakashi didn't win against Itachi in part two. He's only using 30% of his chakra, didn't even use his sharingen jutsus as he's nearing the end of his eye's life.

- How is he countering Yasaka Magatama and Sussano sword? Magatama being a consistent projetile attack throwing several ones strung together and his sword that was strong enough to easily cut through Kimimarou's bones that are harder than tempered steel? Don't give me 'he'll kamui it' again. You know it isn't possible.

Itachi wins this low to mid difference.

 

[Lilt]

Taijutsu - Speed:

We've already seen in part2 that Kakashi was able to keep up with him

You mean that clone that Chiyo said was "clearly only stalling?"

Or that Kisame said was not only limited in jutsu, but in overall strength?

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[shelke]

Kakshi handling MS techniques? Which techniques are those except Kamui? And Kakashi can never master Sharingen:

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. This will always be your own made-up fact. As he lacks the blood line. This isn't true for Sharingen alone, but for any other KG holder.

 

[Bogard]

Kakshi handling MS techniques? Which techniques are those except Kamui? And Kakashi can never master Sharingen:

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. This will always be your own made-up fact. As he lacks the blood line. This isn't true for Sharingen alone, but for any other KG holder.

I'm only going by feats here, and feats show that Kakashi can handle MS techniques better than Itachi since he can use Kamui more than 6times only starting to feel the strain by the 4th use of it. Itachi on the other hand starts to feel the strain in almost every use

 

[ismael]

i'm pretty sure that you say kakashi wins itachi because of the ridiculous chakra reserve he has and the unknown kamui power he had all along. Let's be serious now... Itachi Wins this.

 

[blazekev90]

If he can get by Itachi's genjutsu, i might give him a chance, since all Itachi does is basically sit in one stop and cast genjutsu

 

[Bogard]

i'm pretty sure that you say kakashi wins itachi because of the ridiculous chakra reserve he has and the unknown kamui power he had all along. Let's be serious now... Itachi Wins this.

You mean Itachi?